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FPSC Classic Models and Media / The Sketchup Ask-away thread

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daarboven
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Posted: 18th Dec 2008 22:56
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As the title reads, I want to give answers to anything Sketchup (with strong focus on game asset production/FPSC) as far as my own knowledge goes. Other Sketchupers here are invited to join in and help fellow FPSC users to max out Googles gift to the modeling communtity. I largely use Sketchup for my own asset production and even did a small complete level with it. Whenever possible, I'll see to it that the solutions I offer can be done with the free version and freely available plugins. If I can't figure out how to help you and no other help pops up here, I still will do some research in the Sketchup groups I know and visit...Now feel free to ask (or answer too)!

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Gunn3r
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Sketchup 7 has a menu for animation. Do you know if the animation will be saved into the .x file that you get when you use the exporter plugin that you gave us the link to?

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Might be a bit of a nooby question, but that's me when it comes to modeling but:
Is there a way to texture in sketchup using default way, but when you export...save it in a single texture file? Not multi-texture?
Thanks


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Posted: 19th Dec 2008 10:40 Edited at: 19th Dec 2008 11:09
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So you give me a hot start I still didn't upgrade to 7 .

@ Gunn3r: I don't know, but as far as I hear it from the groups-NO.
the plugin is still for version 6 and doesn't export animation. You would have to animate in Milkshape or some other package.

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***Animation is Pro only and renders to video. no animation of objects to other 3d formats, sorry

@Rampage: In the Groups i saw someone exporting the whole texture of a Sketchup group to photoshop so I strongly guess it is possible in 7, but I don't know if this is a Pro function only. Will do some research and get back to you
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***Still no "baking" of textures So your best practice is to make a texture containing all patterns and make good use of sketchups texture options in the rightMouse menu.

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Well, thanks for the info. I wish there was a program that was as easy to use as SU, but animated as well. I like to simpleness of SU.

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Quote: "Still no "baking" of textures So your best practice is to make a texture containing all patterns and make good use of sketchups texture options in the rightMouse menu."


Could you go a bit more into this? I want to get ver simple textures for my equally simple models for use in FPSC, but I don't know if you can rig UV's in Sketchup, etc.

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I atached a screenshot of one of my cars from the store while in edit texture mode in SU. you can tilt and shift it's position. alt+clicking left whith the bucket tool lets you eyedrop the texture (position and scale) of the face you click on. this is especially useful when texturing curved surfaces with a continuous pattern-best to switch on "view hidden geometry" first. That way and with some planning ahead you can texture a lot of stuff even without proper uv mapping features-which sketchup lack the most imho.

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OK, but how do you get from the texturing stage in Sketchup to a final jpg file with the texture mapped onto it?

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Posted: 21st Dec 2008 14:34 Edited at: 21st Dec 2008 14:35
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I've got a question: How to center the model in sketchup ? (center of 3 axis)

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Quote: "OK, but how do you get from the texturing stage in Sketchup to a final jpg file with the texture mapped onto it?"


I do it the other way round sometimes and sketch my texture a bit roughly in photoshop, then import it to SU and model with a more blueprint-like approach. If you export with the xPorter you will have the texture exported with it as long as you used an image and not a color.
Quote: "I've got a question: How to center the model in sketchup ? (center of 3 axis)"

easiest is to group your object, draw a diagonal line from bottom/right/front to top/left/back and group line and object so you can move them to world center by dragging the midpoint of the line!

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nice trick, thanks I will try!!

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daarboven, just a heads up. It seems I've got an awful lot of models for this thing. I think I've got most of them now, but it currently stands at 32 models. So if that's too much, then whatever. If it helps, all the models are basic low-poly shapes, like ramps and boxes. It may seem arbitrary to have about a dozen ramp variations, but I do know what I'm doing, so don't think I'm just trying to make more work for you.

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Nevermind, Pus In Boots, I'm glad to help out, just look into it that the models are in segment scale (100x100x100cm makes a segment when exporting to 3ds and 253x253x253cm make a segment when exporting with the xporter plugin) or at last are all on the same scale so resizing is not to much trouble...did you know that when pressing control while using the tape measure tool you can input a value for the measurede distance which will trigger a dialogue to resize the whole model based on the input value? Neat operation when you like to model on a larger scale(which i do sometimes for better detailing stuff).

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Whoo for Sketch up awareness! You guys do know TGC has a whole board related to sketch up thought right?


This is my WIP, not even ready for a WIP thread yet though.http://smallgroupproductions.com/
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I have a anoying problem !!! If I want to texture something , it paints the face behind and not the face i want to texture. ( Or the object behind the face I want to texture!)


Please help me out



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Quote: "I have a anoying problem !!! If I want to texture something , it paints the face behind and not the face i want to texture. ( Or the object behind the face I want to texture!)"


I've heard that some time ago in the SU usergroup. I'll see if I can dig it up again, but maybe you need to reinstall. Be sure to backup your plugins and stuff beforehand...

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thanks i am gonna do that really thanks


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i am still having the same problem


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not anymore


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Quote: "not anymore"



So sometimes staying away from the board for a while on urgent family occassions sorts out a problem or two. congrats. my answering schedule will be a bit tight in the near future since i am terribly busy still with major family business. So don't be dissapointed, I'll try to tune in and answer your sketchy questions soon as I hit my laptop again and find the time to breathe....regards and sorry for the inconvenience
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I gave a tip on converting the KMZ files into workable formats (.3ds .obj) in the sketchup forum.

Anyone wanting to use sketchup7 for FPSC without paying the $495 for the pro vesion might want to check this out.

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Is that legal?

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Converting file formats?

That is still legal as far as I know.

Exporting the KMZ file is a built in function for the free version of SketchUp.
So, SketchUp is being used as it was intended without any alteration. (legal)

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Posted: 4th Jan 2009 10:36 Edited at: 4th Jan 2009 10:41
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According to all sources this is perfectly legal. But to use Sketchup as a modeller for static FPSC props you just need the free version and the free xporter plugin. to export your models to another software capable of animation where you need more common formats, converting comes to play.

Link to xporter plugin(ruby file that goes in your sketchup plugins folder):


http://edecadoudal.googlepages.com/xExporter.rb

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Posted: 4th Jan 2009 16:09 Edited at: 4th Jan 2009 16:28
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Quote: "According to all sources this is perfectly legal."

I told you it was.

Quote: "But to use Sketchup as a modeller for static FPSC props you just need the free version and the free xporter plugin."

I wasn't aware of Ruby. (guess I should have done my research)
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Quote: "I wasn't aware of Ruby."

Ican't write some myself, but all plugins i got for SU work like a charm, no hacking afforded

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Posted: 4th Jan 2009 20:48 Edited at: 4th Jan 2009 21:02
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Quote: "Animation is Pro only and renders to video. no animation of objects to other 3d formats, sorry "


Interesting.

$495 ??? lol

MilkShape 3D rocks at only $35 then because it can do animations!

FragMOTION is an outstanding value at $25, because it can do animations too.

I've been playing around a little with sketchup though, and it does have a nice interface.
I plan on adding it to the arsenal especially now that I know about Ruby.
I'm sure I will have a lot of questions for you soon, so thanks in advance for this thread Daarboven.

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Blender owns because it can do everything, and is free...

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Quote: "Blender owns because it can do everything, and is free..."

I looked at blender when i played URU since it was a tool of choice for content creation in a python environment and had a realtime engine built in but found the interface very intimidating at first. I fell for sketchup since it empowers me to do low poly stuff so fast and efficient I do not miss the functions it lacks compared to some mayor packages. Only it's texturing capabilities still miss the comfort I want to see in the future....

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I have a question. I have a leg that I want mirrored (so that I don't have to make it all over again, but I want it to be perfectly mirrored and not just a copy and paste. Is there a way to mirror it quickly?

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Posted: 4th Jan 2009 23:30 Edited at: 4th Jan 2009 23:40
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group it and use the rmb command "flip along groups <red/blue/green> axis" or simply scale it on a middle grip with the scale tool and input a value of -1 in the value box. Iprefer flipping but either method works.
If you need to snap it in a certain place you can edit the groups axis with the axis tool.

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