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Preston C
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Yep, I wanna host the ol Neo Wolf Games Software Development Team's website at a home server, yet I have no idea how. Could someone explain this for me. Please? Thanks
[url=http://www.neowolfgames.tk]]http://www.angelfire.com/ex/animezonex0/NeoWolfGamesBaner.JPG[/img]
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Wiggett
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uh im geussing you would have to have your own internet company, most isp's will give u your own webspace on their servers to upload to, but as for hosting off your machine that'd mean youd have to have it on all the time if you want it accessible all day long.


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Preston C
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I know I would need it on all day long. I just need to know how.

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Posted: 30th Jul 2003 17:09 Edited at: 30th Jul 2003 17:11
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You need to download and install a webserver, a couple good, free ones are Apache or for the less-technically advanced Xitami.

http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/apache.shtml will teach you how to setup Apache for Windows and Xitami is very self-explanatory (basically just download and run the installer from http://www.xitami.com/).

If you want to be able to run all those fancy scripting languages such as PHP, MySQL and everything else then you also need to download them from their websites (http://www.php.net and http://www.mysql.com/ respectively).

Make sure to refer to the readme's and help files to do it all properly because one mistake can mean starting all over again. Good luck.

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Kentaree
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You'd need a comp set up as a webserver, probably using Linux or Windows NT, and you'd have to have it connected to the internet with always-on broadband connection.

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You beat me to it Exeat
Seems to happen to me a lot lately...

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You will probably need to sign upto a dynamic DNS company and point your domain name there becuase with ADSL you get different IP addresses all the time. If you can get a static IP address, it is much easier and cheaper.

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that. Thanks Spooky.

You also need to sign up for a Domain Name (usually around $10 per year) and assign it to the IP you're using otherwise people can only access your website by typing in something like: 128.56.78.07

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As for IPs: http://www.no-ip.com

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Eddie Gordo
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UH-OH...that no-IP is giving me an idea...i am getting cable...and a Server from my work...ok...WHO WANTS FREE MMORPG HOSTING...Or our special plus version...lol...contact me via e-mail or YIM...i am gonna do it for my MMORPG...so maybe (what is his name) will be eating his own arse...

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Preston C
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can I do this stuff with Phone Line DSL?

Will I still be able to surf the net on my computer while it's running as my server? Should I buy a new server?

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Yes.
Yes but more slowly.
Yes once you've seen that it's worthwhile.
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Meh, I'm helping him on AIM..Never ph33r, I am here

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Preston C
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you gotta hate moms that have complete power over a household. She says I cant host a server at home . That stinks, looks like I gotta keep my angelfire site for now

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Ask her why

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Make her give you three good reasons why she can stop you from running a server. Then list three good reasons on why you should have a server at home.

(I'll help get you started)
1.) Full Access
2.) Total Control
3.) Flexibility
4.) You'd have unlimited space
5.) No monthly fees to worry about.(except electricity costs, don't mention that though.)

Alright maybe not the best reasons, but it'll at least sound like you can support your arguement.



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Eddie Gordo
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I might add you will be required to purchase a commercail broadband connection for this to be legal...and that can be $$$...can be...i dont know...i faced this problem 5 minute ago and still await the answer...

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Preston C
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Thats alot. Maybe I should just stick with angelfire for now, then maybe move to a different webhost when needed.

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Posted: 30th Jul 2003 22:35
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yeah, and remember you need a good upload speed.

say if you have a "2 meg ADSL line", that only suggests it is 2 meg downstream. Usually ISP's would only offer 256k upstream for this connection, unless its commercial then they will give more.

and also, never try hosting off a Windows 9x system It'll never work. Linux would be the best solution, but if you have no idea how to setup linux and cant be bothered to learn, then use Windows NT4/2k/XP-Pro.

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just use a server version of one of those...im sure you can find one...

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you don't have to pay that crap unless you host other ppl

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And if you host other people, you make them charge. It all balances out.



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He is on 56k He needs one of those programs that tells the website whereh is IP is for a domain or w/e

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Preston C
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Yes, I'm on a pitiful 56k. Getting a wireless router soon, so my mom will share her DSL with me

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Your telling me your mom has DSL while you have 56k? Good god man, SHE TORTURES YOU!

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ya, does she hang you by your toenails also???

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no, but I'm getting a wireless router soon. and she's paying for it too. so there is a good part about this deal

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lol, I got crazy parents that are obsessed with "you must study^9999"
and really want to get me off the comp...I can't understand(goddamn lectures that don't say anything new)...anyway, I believe what I'm doing on the comp is more helpful then school(most / all that school "teaches" you is going to be useless->

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You really are in a bad way with school.

"I got crazy parents" should be "I have crazy parents"; one implies receipt while the other implies possession.



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I would like to say that you need to check the agreement of your DSL provider if you want to host a server because alot of them wont allow you to do that, i know that RoadRunner will, Adelphi and Verizon won't(yes, i realize 2 of these are cable) but Verizons Policy may have changed since so i would check, the other 2 i am sure will stick to that for now...and you can't charge them for it on a residential connection...though i am sure you meant the comercial line yellow...of course if the agreement doesn't say a clear NO SERVERS than you can assume(defenitly) as long as it doesnt break ou of they're UPSTREAM/DOWNSTREAM limits...also you will need to configure the DNS to only use the HTTP ports on the Router because its required that the connection is secured...and this can cause problems if you have other computers on the network because they may be restricted if they dont use the correct Router Proxy and port...

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Quote: "
You really are in a bad way with school.

"I got crazy parents" should be "I have crazy parents"; one implies receipt while the other implies possession.
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If he's been adopted...

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Good news, my mom is considering letting me get my own server. Now all I need is a new tower, and a static IP.

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Have you thought about buying an old system?

With a Linux distro, you could slap together a tolerable server for under 60 bucks (if you watch eBay really closely, and never go above a set mark no matter how bad you want the machine). That includes shipping (IMHO).

I even got a machine once that had 128 Mb RAM for $50. 6.4 Gb HD and a CD-ROM -- everything you will ever need for a small website. Plus, they all have network cards (nobody wastes the effort to remove them).

Slap a junky old monitor on it (usually won't run above 640x480), and you have all the machine you need. May or may not need a mouse, keyboard, etc.

Do all your pages on your main Windows machine, then burn them to disc and move them your server.

May have to do some CGI on the Linux machine, but that's all. Really, Perl would be better, since you could run it on Windows as a test server, and the reasonably expect to move it to Linux.

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id ditch perl and install php.

perl the language is so clumsy compared to php and less mind taxing with syntax.

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Agreed, and who the hell in their right mind would make a language that returns syntax errors whenever you use a capital letter? Damn Perl.

Quote: "Slap a junky old monitor on it (usually won't run above 640x480), and you have all the machine you need."

My server doesn't even have a monitor lol

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uhh...use DNS for your staic IP needs...and well its like 30$ a year as opposed to 500$ for a static IP...make sure your ISP will allow you to host a web server on there line or you will get and i quote "your violating the fucking AUP" letter...and hey if u wanna pay some shipping i will send you a server i got em all around me now they are older than whats new...if that made sense but they will do the trick...i work for a indexing system company...COTT Systems...look it up...i can get a server tower pc thing, or whatever by walking in a room going got a server, and Ron will hand me one...we even got a bunch of 918XL 3000 if any of you remember those...lol

Yeah my server doesnt have a monitor either does my Pc...i use a tv...

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indi make a worthy point. I was taught to speak of Perl and PHP in the same breath.

Really, if it's your server, you may even want to take the time to compile your own CGIs. After all, what's the fun of your own server if you do stuff (PHP, ASP, etc.) that can be hosted elsewhere.

On the other hand, rigging up some jobbie with C++ or VB or pretty much anything else that supports env variables, that's the real fun of it.

If you piddle with C++ CGIs, don;t get too frisky until you get your coding under control -- C++ CGIs are giant, gaping security holes until you can do them right. There are a few tutorials round the net, I recall.

But, if you want to keep it simple, follow indi's suggestion, and use PHP. Lot of open source for it, too.

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I did perl for years and hated its syntax. I found it clunky and obscure not to mention security flawed.

I did cgi with perl only and had a breif look at C/C++ with CGI, the gdlib set that allowed graphical charts and so forth was an interesting aspect.

but php ownz!

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