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Rwolf
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does dark basic support cartoon rendering? like dark cloud 2 for ps2 (dunno if it was done in dark cloud 1) anyways i wanna know if it can be dont and maybe even how to do it, thx in advance! ^^
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indi
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dbp will, dbc would have to be tricked into looking like a cartoon render.

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Eddie Gordo
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Actually indi, i believe someone came up with a rendering DLL that cartoon render DBC models. But as for who and where to find it i am not sure.

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indi
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2003 05:49
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thats no good until its found again then

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Steverino
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I have yet to see a DBPro cartoon render with black outlines, which is really the essence of toon rendering, you know?

If someone's done it, how about putting up a tutorial with all necessary files?

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Wiggett
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toon rendering is something to do with making a second model black and ghosted and makign it a little bit bigger than the original in some areas to give the affect of toon shading, i cant remember what site i saw this on but its editing on the model level not in game, im sure that it will work if you use the model in db. but hell if you want cartoon rendering play zelda on the gamecube thats the best animation ever.


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haggisman
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Heres a screeny from DBpro:-

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Chenak
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How did u do that?

I cant get the black outline to show at all

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Wiggett
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or yeah you can do what haggis did thats pretty good lookin man, did you make it the way i said or via dbpro code?


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Shock
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scrap the black lines, i just want to know the basics lol, i'm going to have to say it: i have no idea how to do cartoon rendering

if theres any examples or anything out there, that would be very kewl. i think my newest game could benifit from it.

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haggisman
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2003 17:18
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I just used three magic commands courtesy of Update 5.

load object "asteroid.x", 1
load effect "cartoon2.fx", 1, 1
set object effect 1, 1
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Wiggett
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2003 17:35
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man dbpro is startin to sound pretty cool, might end up buyin that :S


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Shock
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DBP has always been kewl

but, ohh, that looks fun. some questions though: what is "effect", i.e. where would i get one from, and how could i create my own?

and does it work on BSP?

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Steverino
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haggisman's asteroid pic is very encouraging! I predict a flurry of toon-rendered productions once Update 5 is finalized, especially if it works on BSP.

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Shock
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If it works on BSP, i'll probably have sleepless nights lol

Yeah, i think i'd probably even make FPS and horror games using cartoon rendering lol

i could see a future competition "Cartoon Games Competition", 1,000,000 entries.

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Rob K
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2003 00:31
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The black outline is specified by the edge image parameter of the SET CARTOON SHADING ON command.


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but does it work on bsp? lol

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TKF15H
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I saw a tutorial on Cartoon rendering in the tutorials section of http://www.anim8or.com Hope this helps

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Chenak
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Cartoon rendering doesnt work for bsp, you cant do very much at all with bsp in dbpro apart from calulating collision (which doesnt work correctly) but more stuffs gonna be added in future updates so hopefully we will be given more functions for modifying bsps .

But i dont think shaders will work with bsps at all but im not sure, i think doom3 will have bsps that will support shaders but we wont find out till sometime in the middle of next year

I heard they're making a new world format for dbpro? is this true?

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Guyon
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The only way (and the best?) to do cartoon rendering is with your modeling package. 3ds max has a toon render plugin, but "Animation Master" http://www.hash.com has it built toon render that is REALLY powerful.

Some copies of Imagine had a toon render, but it was taken out, and that product is dead.
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Shock
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2003 15:54
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Quote: "
I heard they're making a new world format for dbpro? is this true?
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I think i can remember opening a box about that on the DBP advent calendar

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Steverino
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Quote: "The black outline is specified by the edge image parameter of the SET CARTOON SHADING ON command."


In theory, but no one on the forum has ever been able to get it to work. There have been numerous threads about this since DBP was released.

Rob K, if you have actually succeeded in displaying black outlines using SET CARTOON SHADING ON, how about zipping up your code, an object, it's texture and edge images and posting it here?

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Guyon
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Here you go Steverino. this was from DBPlanet
http://www.darkbasicplanet.com/interviews/lee_patch4.php


InS: At what patch will we be seeing the installment of the elusive .dbw format?

LB: Ah, our secret weapon. I dare not hope to think when this will emerge. We are working on something now which bares a striking resemblance to the ideal of the DBW format, though whether we go ahead and solidify the DBW format is another matter. I doubt it. I have great plans for the Dark Basic World Format and want to treat it right. I can just imagine the ease at which game creation can be realized with such a format. I say no more.
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Steverino
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Posted: 5th Aug 2003 04:53
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Above interview link is for ShockForge.

If you can get black outlines in Update 5 using haggisman's approach, I guess I don't need to see them using SET CARTOON SHADING ON.

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indi
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load effect "cartoon2.fx", 1, 1
set object effect 1, 1



dont flag up as a command in my u5.2.

is there a command to detect if your card has cartoon rendering?
If not, why not!

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