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Gingerkid Jack

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Posted: 29th Mar 2009 23:24 Edited at: 29th Mar 2009 23:28

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Hello, I have had DBPro for about 3 years now and I have been skimming through tutorials and writing very simple programs. However I am not sure on how to learn this language. By just following tutorials about random things or learning different aspects individually. I just wanted to know how every one else learn't it and would be kind to tell me.

I was thinking about buying the DBPro Hands On books, does anyone recommend them and will they help me?

Thanks alot,

Jack

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 00:03

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I learned by buying a guidebook first and reading it. Then i told myself to make an easy game and if i didn't know a code to accomplish what i needed i looked it up. If it didnt have it i posted on the forum. In the end i learned a bit and now i dont have to look at the book anymore except once or twice

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Before I ever took any classes for programming, which back then there weren't any, I did just what Databug did. I had my Apple //e, and a very good book on programming in Applesoft BASIC. I wore that book out learning everything I could about the language. Then I started picking up things by looking at other people's programs.

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Gingerkid Jack

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 18:34

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Thanks, I probably will but the Hands of DBpro books and just follow along.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 18:41

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I knew some basic programming before I bought DBC and eventually DBP. I did purchase Hands on DBP and it definitely helped me. I would recommend purchasing it. I also looked at the source code for the demos and code snippets to figure out how people accomplished things. If I have a particular problem I can't solve, I look on this forum to see if others have had that same problem and almost always there is something that I find that helps.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2009 03:06 Edited at: 31st Mar 2009 03:06

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I bought DBC, looked at the examples, and tried to figure out what the ones that looked cool did (after I got over the fact that I didn't understand the tank demo)

. Overtime I learned in a backwards way-- starting at the print command (hello world), then learning 3D objects, and then learning what variables were.

<---Spell casting battle game!

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Once again thanks, I've been looking at the Beginers guide to DBPro and I've learn't loads already. When I get a bit more cash I'm going to buy the Hands On books.

Sorry if there's typos I'm really tired...

Jack

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I made a simple gambling game where you have to guess whether it will be a higher or lower number. You could probably do it in less lines of code than me and probably do it alot better. But I just put what I had just learn't into this..

Rem ******GAMBLING GAME******
Rem Created: 30/03/2009 22:05:07
Rem Project Leader: Jack Koval

Rem ***** Main Source File *****

`Variables

Money#=100

ink RGB(50,50,50),0
Box 0,0,450,150
ink RGB(0,255,0),0
Do

Start:
If Money#<=0
 goto Wrong
Endif

Randomize Timer()

Num1=RND(12)
Num2=RND(12)
Num3=RND(12)
Num4=RND(12)
Num5=RND(12)

Money#=Money#+Win#

Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "Hello and welcome to the game."
Print "The rules are simple..."
Print "It costs £20 to play"
Print "And if you win your total money is multiplyed by 2.5"
Print "Begin? Y/N?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="Y" or I$="N"

If I$="Y"
       goto Number1
         Else
            End
      Endif

Number1:
Money# = Money# - 20
CLS

Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "Ok.. Number 1 is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num1
Print
Print "So will number 2 be igger or <S>maller?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="B" or I$="S"

goto Number2

Number2:
CLS
Print Num1
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "Ok.. Number 2 is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num2

wait 2500

If Num2>=Num1 and I$="S"
         goto Wrong
         Endif

If Num2<Num1 and I$="S"
 goto Number3
 Endif

If Num2>=Num1 and I$="B"
         goto Number3
         Endif

If Num2<Num1 and I$="B"
 goto Wrong
 Endif

Number3:
CLS
Print Num2
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "So will number 3 be igger or <S>maller?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="B" or I$="S"

Print
Print "Ok number three is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num3

wait 2500

If Num3>=Num2 and I$="S"
         goto Wrong
         Endif

If Num3<Num2 and I$="S"
 goto Number4
 Endif

If Num3>=Num2 and I$="B"
         goto Number4
         Endif

If Num3<Num2 and I$="B"
 goto Wrong
 Endif

Number4:
CLS
Print Num3
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "So will number 4 be igger or <S>maller?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="B" or I$="S"

Print
Print "Ok number four is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num4

wait 2500

If Num4>=Num3 and I$="S"
         goto Wrong
         Endif

If Num4<Num3 and I$="S"
 goto Number5
 Endif

If Num4>=Num3 and I$="B"
         goto Number5
         Endif

If Num4<Num3 and I$="B"
 goto Wrong
 Endif
Number5:
CLS
Print Num4
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "So will number 5 be igger or <S>maller?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="B" or I$="S"

Print
Print "Ok number five is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num5

wait 2500

If Num5>=Num4 and I$="S"
         goto Wrong
         Endif

If Num5<Num4 and I$="S"
 goto Win
 Endif

If Num5>=Num4 and I$="B"
         goto Win
         Endif

If Num5<Num4 and I$="B"
 goto Wrong
 Endif
Wrong:
CLS

Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print
Print "Sorry you were wrong or went bust...Would you like to play again? Y/N"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="Y" or I$="N"

If I$="Y"
       goto Start
         Else
            End
      Endif

Win:
CLS

Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print
Win#=Money#*2.5
Print "Congratulations you won! Heres ";Win#;" Pounds!"
Wait 1000
Print "Play Again? Y/N"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="Y" or I$="N"

If I$="Y"
       goto Start
         Else
            End
      Endif

Loop

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Rem ******GAMBLING GAME******
Rem Created: 30/03/2009 22:05:07
Rem Project Leader: Jack Koval


Rem ***** Main Source File *****

`Variables

Money#=100



ink RGB(50,50,50),0
Box 0,0,450,150
ink RGB(0,255,0),0
Do

Start:
If Money#<=0
   goto Wrong
Endif

Randomize Timer()

Num1=RND(12)
Num2=RND(12)
Num3=RND(12)
Num4=RND(12)
Num5=RND(12)


Money#=Money#+Win#

Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "Hello and welcome to the game."
Print "The rules are simple..."
Print "It costs £20 to play"
Print "And if you win your total money is multiplyed by 2.5"
Print "Begin? Y/N?"

   Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="Y" or I$="N"

      If I$="Y"
       goto Number1
         Else
            End
      Endif

Number1:
Money# = Money# - 20
CLS

Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "Ok.. Number 1 is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num1
Print
Print "So will number 2 be <B>igger or <S>maller?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="B" or I$="S"

      goto Number2

Number2:
CLS
Print Num1
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "Ok.. Number 2 is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num2

wait 2500

      If Num2>=Num1 and I$="S"
         goto Wrong
         Endif

      If Num2<Num1 and I$="S"
         goto Number3
      Endif

      If Num2>=Num1 and I$="B"
         goto Number3
         Endif

      If Num2<Num1 and I$="B"
         goto Wrong
      Endif


Number3:
CLS
Print Num2
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "So will number 3 be <B>igger or <S>maller?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="B" or I$="S"

Print
Print "Ok number three is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num3



wait 2500

      If Num3>=Num2 and I$="S"
         goto Wrong
         Endif

      If Num3<Num2 and I$="S"
         goto Number4
      Endif

      If Num3>=Num2 and I$="B"
         goto Number4
         Endif

      If Num3<Num2 and I$="B"
         goto Wrong
      Endif

Number4:
CLS
Print Num3
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "So will number 4 be <B>igger or <S>maller?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="B" or I$="S"

Print
Print "Ok number four is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num4



wait 2500

      If Num4>=Num3 and I$="S"
         goto Wrong
         Endif

      If Num4<Num3 and I$="S"
         goto Number5
      Endif

      If Num4>=Num3 and I$="B"
         goto Number5
         Endif

      If Num4<Num3 and I$="B"
         goto Wrong
      Endif
Number5:
CLS
Print Num4
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print "So will number 5 be <B>igger or <S>maller?"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="B" or I$="S"

Print
Print "Ok number five is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Num5



wait 2500

      If Num5>=Num4 and I$="S"
         goto Wrong
         Endif

      If Num5<Num4 and I$="S"
         goto Win
      Endif

      If Num5>=Num4 and I$="B"
         goto Win
         Endif

      If Num5<Num4 and I$="B"
         goto Wrong
      Endif
Wrong:
CLS

Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print
Print "Sorry you were wrong or went bust...Would you like to play again? Y/N"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="Y" or I$="N"

      If I$="Y"
       goto Start
         Else
            End
      Endif

Win:
CLS

Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)

Print
Win#=Money#*2.5
Print "Congratulations you won! Heres ";Win#;" Pounds!"
Wait 1000
Print "Play Again? Y/N"

Repeat:
      I$=Upper$(Inkey$()) :
   Until I$="Y" or I$="N"

      If I$="Y"
       goto Start
         Else
            End
      Endif

Loop

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thats a great start keep going and you will be pro material....

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Half Life Dude
Not bad for starters. While I really do not want this thread to turn in to a goto / anti-goto 'discussion', I would strongly suggest you learn to use subroutines (aka procedures) instead of goto. A prolific use of goto will create what is known as 'spaghetti code' where you are constantly jumping around in the code. It makes larger programs very, very difficult to debug. Using procedures takes a little thought and planning, but once you learn to code that way you will be a better coder IMO.

There are those on the forums that swear by the use of goto and it certainly can be used in DB programs. I would say that there are very rare circumstances where it might be the thing to do, but many, like myself, consider it poor programming practice to use goto as a norm.

EDIT: Also, you have a colon after 'repeat' throughout your code. This should error, but for some reason does not. You should delete these.

Good luck,

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Posted: 1st Apr 2009 18:29 Edited at: 1st Apr 2009 18:31

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LBFN: Yes, I read that using GOTO was bad but it was just a test. Also are you talking about functions?

EDIT: Just noticed the colons must have misstyped because I wrote that code once and then copied and pasted it to the other parts. I'll change now.

Lucifer: Thanks mate

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I would suggest that you try to re-write your code using procedures. Your do-loop should normally be relatively small, primarily consisting of calls to subroutines or functions. Subroutines are also called procedures, but are different than functions. I would suggest that you get a good understanding of how to use subroutines before you move on to functions.

Also, instead of using num1, num2, num3, etc., why not use an array?
Example:
early in the program:

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dim num(5)

here is an example of a subroutine:

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GetRandomNumbers:
  for i = 1 to 5 : num(i) = rnd(12) : next i
return

call this from your main do-loop:

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  gosub GetRandomNumbers

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lol

i have had dark basic for one week and i am already in the middle of making my first game. a 3d fps just go to the tutorials thread and find the fps tutorialit is realy good

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Posted: 1st Apr 2009 19:20 Edited at: 1st Apr 2009 19:49

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Thanks alot, I'll start looking at subroutines then.

EDIT: How do I go about pulling the different info out of the subroutines?

Jack

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Subroutines normally contain events that happen repeatedly. Here is an example of what you could do:

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GetInput:
money = money - 20
CLS
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+ str$(money)
Print "Ok.. Number " + str$(counter) + " is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print Number(counter)
Print
Print "So will number " + str$(counter + 1) + " be <B>igger or <S>maller?"
Repeat
  I$=Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$="B" or I$="S"
if i$="B" and number(counter + 1) > number(counter) then gosub Win
if i$="S" and number(counter + 1) < number(counter) then gosub Win
return

This code assumes that you have dimensioned an array named 'number', have a variable named 'counter' and another subroutine named 'Win'.

BTW, you have # on the end of the money variable. This denotes it as having float precision, but you use it like an integer. If money is always going to be an integer, you should drop the # sign at the end (it is that way in my example).

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Thanks LB, I put a # at the end of my money because when I add different things you can do to the game your money could become a point number. Besides that I'm not sure what you mean could you post it with abit of my other code so I can see the context?

If its to much hassle don't worry about it

Thanks alot anyway

Jack

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I really didn't want to do it all for you, but you seem genuinely interested in learning, so perhaps you can learn from this.

Rem ******GAMBLING GAME******
Rem Created: 30/03/2009 22:05:07
Rem Project Leader: Jack Koval

Rem ***** Main Source File *****
Randomize Timer()
hide mouse
`Variables
Money# = 100.0
win# = 0.0
busted = 0
dim num(5)

ink RGB(50,50,50),0
Box 0,0,450,150
ink RGB(0,255,0),0
gosub Welcome
gosub GetRandomNumbers

Start:
do
  for counter = 1 to 4
    gosub GetInput
    if busted = 1 then exit
  next counter
  gosub GetRandomNumbers
  if busted = 1
    busted = 0
  else
    gosub Congrats
  endif
loop
show mouse
end

Welcome:
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)
Print "Hello and welcome to the game."
Print "The rules are simple..."
Print "It costs £20 to play"
Print "And if you win your total money is multiplyed by 2.5"
Print "Begin? Y/N?"
Repeat
  I$ = Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$ = "Y" or I$ = "N"
if i$ = "N" then end
return

GetRandomNumbers:
for i = 1 to 5
 Num(i) = RND(12)
 if i > 1 and num(i) = num(i - 1)
 okay = 0
 repeat
 num(i) = rnd(12)
 if num(i) <> num(i - 1) then okay = 1
 until okay = 1
 endif
next i
return

GetInput:
money# = money# - 20.0
CLS
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+ str$(money#)
Print "Ok.. num " + str$(counter) + " is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print num(counter)
Print
Print "So will number " + str$(counter + 1) + " be igger or <S>maller?"
Repeat
 I$ = Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$ = "B" or I$ = "S"
if (i$ = "B" and num(counter + 1) > num(counter)) or (i$ = "S" and num(counter + 1) < num(counter))
 gosub Winner
else
 gosub Loser
endif
return

Winner:
CLS
Text 200,100,"Your Money: " + str$(Money#)
Print
Win# = int(Money# * 2.5)
Print "Congratulations you won! Heres ";Win#;" Pounds!"
Money# = Money# + win#
Wait 1000
return

Loser:
CLS
Text 200,100,"Your Money: " + str$(Money#)
Print
Print "Sorry you were wrong or went bust..."
busted = 1
gosub PlayAgain
return

PlayAgain:
Print "Play Again? Y/N"
Repeat
  I$ = Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$ = "Y" or I$ = "N"
if i$ = "N" then end
money# = 100.0 : win# = 0.0
return

Congrats:
print "Wow! You are really good at this!"
print "Would you like to continue? (Y/N)"
Repeat
  I$ = Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$ = "Y" or I$ = "N"
if i$ = "N" then end
print "Okay, let's do it."
wait 1500
return

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Rem ******GAMBLING GAME******
Rem Created: 30/03/2009 22:05:07
Rem Project Leader: Jack Koval


Rem ***** Main Source File *****
Randomize Timer()
hide mouse
`Variables
Money# = 100.0
win# = 0.0
busted = 0
dim num(5)


ink RGB(50,50,50),0
Box 0,0,450,150
ink RGB(0,255,0),0
gosub Welcome
gosub GetRandomNumbers

Start:
do
  for counter = 1 to 4
    gosub GetInput
    if busted = 1 then exit
  next counter
  gosub GetRandomNumbers
  if busted = 1
    busted = 0
  else
    gosub Congrats
  endif
loop
show mouse
end



Welcome:
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+str$(Money#)
Print "Hello and welcome to the game."
Print "The rules are simple..."
Print "It costs £20 to play"
Print "And if you win your total money is multiplyed by 2.5"
Print "Begin? Y/N?"
Repeat
  I$ = Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$ = "Y" or I$ = "N"
if i$ = "N" then end
return


GetRandomNumbers:
for i = 1 to 5
  Num(i) = RND(12)
  if i > 1 and num(i) = num(i - 1)
    okay = 0
    repeat
      num(i) = rnd(12)
      if num(i) <> num(i - 1) then okay = 1
    until okay = 1
  endif
next i
return

GetInput:
money# = money# - 20.0
CLS
Text 200,100,"Your Money: "+ str$(money#)
Print "Ok.. num " + str$(counter) + " is..."
wait 1500
Print
Print num(counter)
Print
Print "So will number " + str$(counter + 1) + " be <B>igger or <S>maller?"
Repeat
  I$ = Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$ = "B" or I$ = "S"
if (i$ = "B" and num(counter + 1) > num(counter)) or (i$ = "S" and num(counter + 1) < num(counter))
  gosub Winner
else
  gosub Loser
endif
return

Winner:
CLS
Text 200,100,"Your Money: " + str$(Money#)
Print
Win# = int(Money# * 2.5)
Print "Congratulations you won! Heres ";Win#;" Pounds!"
Money# = Money# + win#
Wait 1000
return

Loser:
CLS
Text 200,100,"Your Money: " + str$(Money#)
Print
Print "Sorry you were wrong or went bust..."
busted = 1
gosub PlayAgain
return

PlayAgain:
Print "Play Again? Y/N"
Repeat
  I$ = Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$ = "Y" or I$ = "N"
if i$ = "N" then end
money# = 100.0 : win# = 0.0
return

Congrats:
print "Wow! You are really good at this!"
print "Would you like to continue? (Y/N)"
Repeat
  I$ = Upper$(Inkey$())
Until I$ = "Y" or I$ = "N"
if i$ = "N" then end
print "Okay, let's do it."
wait 1500
return

As you can see, the main do-loop is quite small and compact. The code is easy to edit and debug. While this is just an example of how it can be done (and there are other ways you could do it), my hope is that you will see the advantages of subroutines over using the dreaded goto.

Good luck,

LB

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Posted: 2nd Apr 2009 18:32 Edited at: 2nd Apr 2009 18:59

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Am I right: You have two arrays Num and Counter and inside Num you have ofcourse the random numbers. Is then the Counter the second array wich tells the computer which random number to use?

Also your right about the setup its much easy to work with lots of goto's saying the same thing.

Thanks alot

Jack

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Half Life Dude / Jack,

Referring back to your original question, I can strongly recommend the Hands On DarkBasic books, both Volumes 1 and 2.

The tutorials are written so well, that the concepts used are easily tranferable to other languages. The Hands on DB books actually helped me out with BlitzBasic - go figure!

The tutorials are short, sweet and very easy to follow. Each command is explained in full and very effectively.

Not only that, but I just bought both of them (direct from digital skills) for £55 with free postage.

Hope this helps.

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Bringing back an old thread sorry. But thanks everyone. When I get a bit more cash I'm going to definatly buy the books.

Tobo: Thats a nice deal.

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i just do nothing else than programming and browse the forum a lot, i think its just practice. sometimes make a little game, etc...

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