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DarkBASIC Discussion / DD's Return To DB!(In need of AI Ideas!)

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Dark Dragon
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Posted: 14th Jun 2009 22:49 Edited at: 29th Jun 2009 14:47
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Lol.

Hey All. DD makes his return to the db forum.......
Below is a download of my Topdown Shooter(Think Alien Syndrome). If you'd be so kind, please play it(its less than 1 Mb to download) and then suggest some ideas for the enemies AI. They've got basic "follow the leader" AI for now though. Heres a list of features so far...

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FEATURES
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DONE
Smooth movementCollision
6 Types of Guns
Blood Particle system
Joystick and Joypad support
Animated Removal of Dead Entites
Rocket Launcher(But glitchy...)
Cool gamma Effects for picking up weapons and such.
A decent options menu(Gamma on off, team color,etc.)
DOORS!
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AI!!!! Bots now patrol till they find you and shoot!!!
AI!!!! Bots now patrol till they find you and shoot!!!
AI!!!! Bots now patrol till they find you and shoot!!!



WORKING ON
Dying?!
Missions(will work on next)
TIMER?!? (O_o)
More Types Of Enemies
Online Multiplayer Support


Enjoy! and I gotta say, it feels good to be back to Coding DarkBasic.



EDIT:
BULID 5 UPLOADED !!
Control opens doors...

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Dark Dragon
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Posted: 14th Jun 2009 22:59
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A screenie.......

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you're seriously attempting online support?

not saying its impossible but in DBC its seriously unlikely

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Posted: 14th Jun 2009 23:03
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I gotta try.

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Posted: 14th Jun 2009 23:05
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It took me about a minute to figure out that the line coming from their left wasn't a weapon but their health. It would probably be better to center that under them... where it's at now is too confusing. I love the way the shotgun blasts go and the 4th weapon instantly kill anything it hits. Keep up the good work.

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Welcome back, cool game you got there.

You might wana try A* Star for path finding.
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Posted: 14th Jun 2009 23:19 Edited at: 14th Jun 2009 23:19
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@Grog

Say,thanks
Will center the health....

@ Ashingda

A* Star....Will try.
Thanks.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2009 01:16
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Edit button wont work.

Anyone else?

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BN2 Productions
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If you REALLY want to try out some crazy ai stuff, look into genetic algorithms. Never got to that chapter in my ai programming book, but according to the intro to it, it is ai that changes to match the player's ability (Skynet anyone?)

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Posted: 15th Jun 2009 03:51 Edited at: 15th Jun 2009 03:58
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sounds cool, but HARD
.........any links you might know of...?

Edit)
New build added at top.

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No, like I said, I read a little about it in a book. Google will probably have what you need though. That and wikipedia.

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The game is very good, and quite addictive actually.
As for the AI, what might be faster than A* or another type of pathfinder, is to set a few main paths that the enemies can follow if they can't directly get to the player. Like this:




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@NanoGamez guy
That's a neat trick
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Posted: 15th Jun 2009 23:07
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Yes, Indeed.

I'll have a go at that.

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Posted: 16th Jun 2009 23:50
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New Bulid(3)= Up top , first post...
Check Out the RKT LAUNCHER Guys.....
6 types of guns now....
and some neat gamma effects....

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Posted: 18th Jun 2009 02:27
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b-b-b-b-bump.

(Wat are da bumpin' rules, anyhow?)

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The rules are you can't bump unless someone else posts after you showing that there is still interest in the thread... why you little!

I don't know what the rules are but it's frowned upon so there
Double posting is also frowned upon

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kk. thx fer clring(heh heh) that up
So, any feed back from u guys about build 3?

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Hi DD, it's good to see you back (remember me, I'm the one who did all that 3d animation stuff last summer )

I've just played Build three, and your game looks brilliant. There's some very nice AI on the enemies, I like the way they start to home in on you but only when you get close to them.

Only one query - whenever I shoot one of them with (say) the photon cannon, they seem to reappear lower on the screen with full health. Do I need to destroy every enemy, or is this just part of the demo?

Other than that, it looks great - although I think the pink/purple backdrop is perhaps a little much!

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Nice game DD, I couldn't find the rocket launcher or any other guns apart from the pistol. What do you have to do to get them?

I noticed the enemy animation selects the wrong images, they appear to be walking up when they are walking sideways.
I like those enemies, you can easily outrun one and shoot him but a gang of them is quite hard to deal with.
I managed to get the other side of a wall and shoot them all, maybe you could develop that into a cover system .

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You're game is quite addictive, I already want to play more lol
I'm bored now lol

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Posted: 18th Jun 2009 22:17 Edited at: 18th Jun 2009 22:22
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Quote: "I couldn't find the rocket launcher or any other guns apart from the pistol. What do you have to do to get them?"


Press 1-6 on the numpad if u got build three
Press 1-4 on the numpad if u got the others.....

It does get addictive, doesnt it?
Wait till u try the other weapons....

Quote: "Hi DD, it's good to see you back (remember me, I'm the one who did all that 3d animation stuff last summer )

I've just played Build three, and your game looks brilliant. There's some very nice AI on the enemies, I like the way they start to home in on you but only when you get close to them.

Only one query - whenever I shoot one of them with (say) the photon cannon, they seem to reappear lower on the screen with full health. Do I need to destroy every enemy, or is this just part of the demo?

Other than that, it looks great - although I think the pink/purple backdrop is perhaps a little much!

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Thats just part of teh demo......that auto respawn will go away when i get some missions, but there will be an "endless" mode for those who want to play that....

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I think you should have spawn points, maybe doors on the walls, and a timer.

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I think a time limit would be a good idea, and definitely doors on the walls - something to make it a bit more exciting. Might be a challenge on the AI though, making sure the enemies couldn't 'see' you through the closed door.

I'm not sure on spawn points, though. On a second play, I think the random respawn might actually work better (certainly as the game stands now) because then you get a nice spread of enemies. I remember the "iced" demo that came with DBC, and it was great fun until I fought my way to the mouth of the goblin cave, and then just blasted everyone the moment they appeared.

Quote: "Thats just part of teh demo......that auto respawn will go away when i get some missions"

Oops, I misread the instructions that first appear when the program loads. I should have realised first time round!

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Quote: "I'm not sure on spawn points, though. On a second play, I think the random respawn might actually work better (certainly as the game stands now) because then you get a nice spread of enemies. I remember the "iced" demo that came with DBC, and it was great fun until I fought my way to the mouth of the goblin cave, and then just blasted everyone the moment they appeared.
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I'm talking about multiple spawn points around the room.

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Quote: "I think you should have spawn points, maybe doors on the walls, and a timer.
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Yeah I'm working on teh doors now. they'll be in the next build.
As for a timer.......well, i'll give it a thought. maybe something will pop up in the next demo.





Quote: "Quote: "I'm not sure on spawn points, though. On a second play, I think the random respawn might actually work better (certainly as the game stands now) because then you get a nice spread of enemies. I remember the "iced" demo that came with DBC, and it was great fun until I fought my way to the mouth of the goblin cave, and then just blasted everyone the moment they appeared.
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I'm talking about multiple spawn points around the room."


Yeah, i kinnda agree with obese, but, for now i'll keep it random. This is because i feel that until I get missions theres no point

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Quote: "I'm talking about multiple spawn points around the room."

Ah, now that would be good

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In my opinion the cooldown on firing weapons should be weapon specific and it should be faster on some guns. You should also be able to move a little bit faster and I dont get the sliding thing the character does if he moves too long and tries to stop. Oh and are u not supposed to be able to actually die?
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And it is a great game, a lot better than anything I could make lol
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Thx still remains.

BUILD 4!
Look at teh first post.

DOORS!
SLIDING DOORS(O_o)!

Took me long enough.
Oh, and dont forget to check out teh options menu!

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Build 5 uploaded!

This build's got the fps cap off. lemme know if it effects anyting!

Okay. New stuff.....

I've GOT NEW AI!!!! THE BOTS WILL NOW PATROL AND SHOOT WHEN THEY SEE YOU!.......Check that out.

3 of the Doors require keys now...

I've fixed the Door collision - You cant just go through now!

Please test away and give me some feedback

Oh. I got slapped ,so I might not respond as quick as before.

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