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Priske
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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 04:24 Edited at: 28th Aug 2009 23:06
Hi all, DennisB and I have recently been working on a character pack for the TGC store.

What kind of characters you might ask?

Well, we thought we would do everyone's favor childhood toy. Brick men!

There are a lot more to come but here are some vids of what we have already:

x10 brick man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3UGW23JjXg]

and in x9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90awS3a8Q4k

What we have coming
Zombie brick man

brick Dragon

and

Good guy brick man (Good guy compared to the "bad guy" you see above)

If there are any brick characters you would like to see, please request!

(yes I plan to do a brick prop pack at some point also)

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 04:27
Excellent! Great characters and nice death animation. Will this be free?
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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 04:29
if you're up to a super task, then you should make a lego character corresponding to the lego packs such as Star Wars lego, that new mars thing and all the others

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 04:35
Quote: "Excellent! Great characters and nice death animation. Will this be free?"


No im sorry, they wont be free, but they will be very cheap.

Quote: "if you're up to a super task, then you should make a lego character corresponding to the lego packs such as Star Wars lego, that new mars thing and all the others"


Well as cool as that would be I think there would be copyrights that would be a problem. Thats why when we put them in the store they will be called brick men, not legos.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 04:45
Glad you guys like them. Gabe is modeling them and I am texturing and rigging them. We will make it a really fun pack The death animation shown in the x10 is x10 ragdoll. The x9 death animation is pretty standard. These are a ton of fun to make.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 05:34 Edited at: 28th Aug 2009 05:39
Quote: " Thats why when we put them in the store they will be called brick men, not legos."

Calling them something else doesn't clear you on the copyrights.
The title of this thread is proof that you are basing these off the Lego franchise, and the characters are nearly identical.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything.
I 'm just saying that you may want to consider this as a non-commercial (free) fan-based venture.
Or, change them to the point that they do not look like Lego people, but that defeats the purpose.

They do look really good in the video.
Well done.

I didn't care for the ragdoll effect on these guys though, so I think they would look better in X9.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 07:11
That's awesome. Kinda reminds me of that game "lego island".
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How about cool block entities and brick walls?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 18:49
Quote: "Calling them something else doesn't clear you on the copyrights."


Considering that we are not using the lego trademark and there are some features that are different. I really don't think we will run into trouble. Thank you for your concerns though.

Quote: "That's awesome. Kinda reminds me of that game "lego island". "


Thanks puppy of kosh!

Quote: "How about cool block entities and brick walls?"

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If people like the idea of these guys, I will make a entity pack also.



Thanks all for the comments!

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 19:17
Looks pretty cool!

But I do agree with CE. Even if you dont call it LEGO it could give you trouble.
If you take the telephone and name it hepeitophon and call it your invention, the guy that invented it will raise from the dead and put a firecraker in your mailbox...

You got a great concept, just make it a little more your own

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 19:30
I also agree with the copyright issues.

Quote: "Considering that we are not using the lego trademark and there are some features that are different."


As the others have said - rebranding something doesn't make it a different product. You also put "Lego" in the title of your thread which makes your intentions fairly clear.

Also, judging from the videos, I can't see the differences you were talking about. They look too much like Lego to be excused from copywright.
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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 20:05
Nice! I like these lego stuff very mutch! Can't wait for the zombie lego! Can you make weapond? I'd like weapons with lego hands!


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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 20:10 Edited at: 30th Aug 2009 21:22
Creative you really are.


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I don't know if it will be an issue with the copyright or not. There are lego plastic toys on the market that are modeled after legos but they call them by other names. Not really sure, I will have to find out.

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Well, it does look like using something so clearly a lego even under a different name is in fact an issue:

http://www.lego.com/eng/info/fairplay.asp

But can be used for non-commercial and personal projects. I'll see what Priske wants to do.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 21:42
aw has this been shot down already? 'cause I whould've liked to see a demon lego guy

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The biggest issue I see is the term "Lego" and any use of it's actual Logo. Not sure if they can patent a "shape" though...doesn't seem realistic. Maybe you should rename everything to "Block Men"?
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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 23:04
Keith if you could please change the title of this thread to Block men character pack that would be great! I will change the 1st post not.

Quote: "cause I whould've liked to see a demon lego guy
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We will see what we can do

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 23:49
This sounds like a really cool idea! I'm loving the look of the first Block Man

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Thanks Braden!

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 01:38
I agree with Conjured. But why can't you show us a full render of the model, wireframe etc. Also the texture kinda ruins the cartoon feel, as lego is has the suit painted on but yours is a black shirt with a skull pasted on. No offense but it does look very basic.

-Lego man with the suit actually drawn on the model-



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Well you will have to talk to Dennis about the textures. He plans to do more tonight so I will tell him to get a little more complex.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 12:43 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 14:22
Very original, very origina. Very good then all the time only [Mod Edit] zombies. So very good mate, keep this up.


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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 12:50 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 16:18
a-hem, *cough*. what's wrong with zombies? they are fun, and it's quite hard to make a realistic shooting game with gun-weilding enemies becuase of the ai.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 14:05
First, let me say these models and the whole pack look and sound fantastic, definately the sort of thing I'd buy when released!

Quote: "As the others have said - rebranding something doesn't make it a different product. You also put "Lego" in the title of your thread which makes your intentions fairly clear."


I have to admit the copyright is making me a bit wary here - the issue seems to be that no one knows for sure whether this does infringe upon a copyright - I don't think you can patent a design, but you can protect - although I do believe this may fall into something of a grey area. But the problematic part for me is that anything I buy from TGC or the TGC store I have to believe and assume is not infringing upon any copyrights. Imagine if someone bought a model fro TGC and they were sued for copyright infringment for putting that in their game - it would be terrible for all involved.

My suggestion is that you do what has been suggested by two or three other people and subtly alter your model desgin so that it still reflects or captures the essence of lego but is clearly unique in its own right. After watching your video I assumed that you could maybe change the colour of the head/hands (to say an organe or red, not sure really) but after seeing the wireframe you posted I actually thank the main issue lies in the model because the wireframe you posted looks identical to a lego. Why not change it in a few subtle ways? Off the top of my head I would suggest removing the blunt section from the top of "blockman's" head (the bit that would allow it to connect with other lego pieces) as this is clearly a lego feature. You might also consider making the body (torso) a little squarer (or...blocky) to further protect you and your customers.

Again, this looks like a great pack, I just think it needs to be personalised a little bit more

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Red Eye, shadowfire you both know the policy on swearing, consider yourself slapped.

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Sorry, went out my line.


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sorry, i did try to cencore it.

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thanks all for your comments, we will work on changing them slightly so they look less "lego'ish"

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 20:06 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 20:07
Updated x10 vid: http://truesourceshop.com/wips/spera/graybrickman.wmv

Characters now have gray/white skin, making them less LEGO'ish

More characters will be reveled today, so keep checking in!

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Ahaha that death looked awesome!

Still looks really cool with gray, perhaps a lighter shade of gray might be just a tad better however? Would be easier to see detail on them
Just an idea, keep up the great work man!

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Quote: "Well, we thought we would do everyone's favor childhood toy. Brick men!"

Brick Men???

As Alt Shule or Yoda might say.."My favorite it was not."

Quote: "the issue seems to be that no one knows for sure whether this does infringe upon a copyright "

No one knows? hmmm
I am sure that this is a copyright infringement if done for profit.

Why do you think that the Honda Rebel 450 was only made two years?
Because Harley-Davidson sued them for stealing their design of the Sportster.

I guess you can figure out by Honda's discontinuation of the motorcylce that Harley-Davidson won the battle.

Yes the Honda Rebel 250 still exists, but only because the engine is not a v-twin. (all Harley's have v-twin engines)
So, if you modify the design enough then you can get away with it, because it is then clearly not a direct copy but a new creation.
Maybe you could make the hands have two fingers on one side, instead of it being a solid piece.
Lego people hands have are made like the ones you show here, so making a minor detail into something not found on Lego's may be enough, but it's all up to the judge in the end.
I would definitely get rid of the connector ridge on the head, because all Lego people heads have them and that makes them look like Legos.
That is just me though, so you guys express your own creativity, because I am not trying to tell you what to do.

Here is something interesting that I found at Wikipedia...

Quote: "
The Lego Group began in the workshop of Ole Kirk Christiansen, a carpenter from Billund, Denmark, who began making wooden toys in 1932. In 1934, his company came to be called Lego. It expanded to producing plastic toys in 1940. In 1949, Lego began producing the now famous interlocking bricks, calling them "Automatic Binding Bricks". These bricks were based largely on the design of Kiddicraft Self-Locking Bricks, which were released in the United Kingdom in 1947. Lego modified the design of the Kiddiecraft brick after examining a sample given to it by a British supplier of an injection-moulding machine that Lego had purchased. The first Lego bricks, manufactured from cellulose acetate, were developed in the spirit of traditional wooden blocks that could be stacked upon one another; but these plastic bricks could be locked together. They had several round studs on top, and a hollow rectangular bottom. The blocks snapped together, but not so tightly that they required extraordinary effort to be separated.

"


See, even the Lego bricks were modified from another design so I am certain that with a few changes, your Brick Men would have a good chance of winning in court.

I am not trying to debate this or sound like a stiff neck or anything.
I am trying to help you avoid a potential sticky situation.

This idea is a good one and one that I considered in the past myself, but I did not want to get into the licensing/copyright issues.

Good luck, and I wish you guys the best.

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i liked it when they were lego... (sigh)

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Instead of circular connectors; try making them a different shape, such as an octagon...
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we are currently changing there heads to be blocks .

Will show pics soon!

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if you guys make enough entities characters etc. then i have a an idea for a game to go with all of this.

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Good it is looking.


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Hi Folks

Here is an update:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc2CEjQngys

I think these ones are done. Gonna move onto zombie brickman

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Looks better!

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I like the idea of this, very original

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Quote: "very original"


lol.

People look cool btw.
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New video looking good.

Quote: "we are currently changing there heads to be blocks"

Yeah, I even prefer the name Block-Heads over Brick-Men, but that's just me.
This looks like fun, and it would make for some easy retexturing since it pretty much has to stay cartoon style because of the models' shapes.
These would be a good models for a re-texturing contest!

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original as in its original for here, as in its not a generic typical fpsc character, its more abstract, all be it legos version of abstract.

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thanks so much all for the comments! more are on the way!

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THE ZOMBIES ARE HERE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7QFGPkOmp4

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The zombies might look better with a torn cloths / flesh look on the bodies.

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He does have a rip in his clothes that is blocked by his arm in the video. Guess he could use some more.

Here is his texture so you can see the rip:



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Nice work Dennis; though he looks more like a guy who's had the tar beat out of him, and less like a zombie.
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Perhaps for a little more of a zombie look, the zombie Brickmen could have white eyes? And maybe add a little more blood

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Does look like he's been given a good hiding doesn't it Keith, lol!

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