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Geek Culture / Schrodinger Zombies?

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Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 01:11
I was bored in math class today...


so me and my friend started coming up with funny stuff. Schrodinger's cat came up, and zombies came up. Eventually, we put two and two together, and burst out laughing in the middle of class. "schrodigner zombies" really made my day

They are neither alive nor undead until observed o.O

Yeeeah, just thought i'd share that with you

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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 01:13
see also

Wanted: Schrödinger's Cat [dead or alive]

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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 01:14
Quote: "Wanted: Schrödinger's Cat [dead or alive]"

lol

This signature is legen-wait for it... dary };]
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Posted: 20th Dec 2009 08:13 Edited at: 20th Dec 2009 08:13
I have information relevant to this conversation.



So what if I talk to myself? Its the only way i can have an intelligent conversation around here.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2009 20:05
lololololololol

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Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 20th Dec 2009 21:03
Rofl! That's great!

A quote from schrodinger himself (cited: http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html)

Quote: ""One can even set up quite ridiculous cases. A cat is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following diabolical device (which must be secured against direct interference by the cat): in a Geiger counter there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of one hour one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges and through a relay releases a hammer which shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid.

If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The first atomic decay would have poisoned it. The Psi function for the entire system would express this by having in it the living and the dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts.""


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Posted: 20th Dec 2009 21:39
I shall use this new found furryscience to my advantage.

Van B
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2009 16:18
Bah.

What if by checking on the cat, you accidentally cause a molecule to decay, and this killing the cat?

What if you just made the box out of glass, then you'd know for sure, but you'd also have to know for sure that the glass box didn't cause the death by some means (glass alergy perhaps).

What if you drop the box, the cat might be alive or dead - the only certainty would be that the cat is annoyed.


It's all theory at the end of the day, theory that physicists have had to defend for decades, so laymen can't simply tell them to stop being ridiculous. I mean, does anyone actually buy into this whole parallel universe stuff?
There is one certainty in all science, and that's that we know far less than we think we do. Schrodinger proved with his pussycat theory that if you dress a theory as a cute little kitty cat, then people will just accept it. For instance, how come this is the only theory that anyone talks about, as if it's gospel, it crops up all the time as some sort of sign from the gods of science.

Face it, even if the cat is not dead, it probably wouldn't last long in the box. So assume the cat is dead and get on with your lives.


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Posted: 22nd Dec 2009 17:04
So Schroedinger's cat is like saying you can't know anything about science really, it's all just a theory.

Well that's all well and good and everything, but we have this thing called evidence. That's the opening of the box. We can know if the cat is alive or dead, we just have to look inside. That's the metaphor for research and experimentation.

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No, It's Just an act

Theroy is theroy, its safe to assume some things, such as me eating the christmas turkey now, would leave the spot open for me. While underpinning forces that control anything to everything are a little harder to express. Thats why we pay alot of money into research to try and understand them. Were knowsy buggers arent we ^_^

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2009 18:07
Quote: "Theroy is theroy"

A scientific theory is the highest kind of discovery, actually. It's not a theory.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2009 18:14 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2009 18:16
The meaning most people give the word theory is the meaning of hypothesis is science pretty much. A theory is what it becomes after you get results proving it. It's not a fact, because nothing in science is considered fact, and much of what gets done is scientists try to disprove theories by showing that the positive results from them were caused by something else.

If you don't consider science too highly, it still doesn't change the facts of science within science itself. Think of it as a separate entity. Even if you don't believe a scientific theory, it's still a scientific theory, and the meaning of that isn't ambiguous.

I stress that I'm just adding to a definition, not arguing the legitimacy of any scientific theory.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2009 19:34 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2009 19:35
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Posted: 24th Dec 2009 12:52
Shroedinger's cat started out when he wanted to make fun of quantum mechanics, but it got accepted in the general populace. The thing is that *it is only an analogy*. Quantum superposition can only happen at the most smallest level of matter.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2009 13:06 Edited at: 24th Dec 2009 13:08
Quote: "A scientific theory is the highest kind of discovery, actually. It's not a theory."


Yes, people I find often mix up what theory means in relation to science, gravity, by terms of science is a 'theory'. If it's a theory in science, it has been tested substantially and has evidence to support it. If it is untested, I believe it just remains as a hypothesis. Theories can still be proven wrong, and if something is proven wrong or inaccurate, the theory must either be adapted or rejected to consider whatever discoveries have been made.

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