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General Jackson
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Posted: 23rd Sep 2010 23:29
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Hey guys, for you Fragmotioners out there, they just released 1.0.3 which fixed the .x importer, that, as many of you know ruins the import of EAI's MP9\10 weapons.

GO to Fragmosoft.com to get the latest update!

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh man, sorry, I just had to gather myself there. no longer will correcting a gun to have ironsights be an hourlong process. only like 30 min.

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Nice, I'll have to check this out soon.

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cool- simultaneous comments.

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Thanks for letting me know, would've missed it.




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Posted: 24th Sep 2010 17:38 Edited at: 1st Oct 2010 22:32
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...yep.

Big and positive improvement.

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great news



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If this helps improve X import errors, then maybe I can start converting over those tasty EAI weapons into UDK...

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I'm mostly sticking with version 1.0.0 for the most part, as they removed the "Map UV Coords" tool in all newer versions, which I use lots for quick map X/Y/Z to entire texture and other stuff while modelling in Fragmo.

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Turns out .X importer doesn't solve my problems with skeletal meshes. Must be Milkshape's PSK exporter... :/

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Posted: 26th Sep 2010 00:04 Edited at: 26th Sep 2010 00:12
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Quote: "Turns out .X importer doesn't solve my problems with skeletal meshes. Must be Milkshape's PSK exporter... :/"

Yeah, it my have helped to import X files, but it didn't help exporting the talker X files. (they still get face twisted when exporting as a Milkshape file)
Not much good fixing the imports if it still gets corrupted on the export, so I hope they get that fixed soon.

And I'm not sure about their "fix" on importing X files, because if you import one of the talkers all the bone names are replaced with (no name)1, (no name)2, etc.
I know those guys creating those talkers would have had a value for those fields so where does the name go on import?

Quote: "Thanks for letting me know, would've missed it."

Yeah, thanks.



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Posted: 26th Sep 2010 00:34 Edited at: 26th Sep 2010 00:37
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Quote: "And I'm not sure about their "fix" on importing X files, because if you import one of the talkers all the bone names are replaced with (no name)1, (no name)2, etc.
I know those guys creating those talkers would have had a value for those fields so where does the name go on import?
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I have an identical problem, but removing these spares destroys the rigs...

Ima try deleting the original bones and renaming the new ones...

/Edit/
Turns out the bones are made as children on the original skeletons, so I can't remove the original skeleton, and keeping the new one messes up the rig...

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Yeah, until I can get an uncorrupted talker into MilkShape, I am pretty much stuck with only retexturing for custom talkers.

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Irritatingly, VWeaps and stock import perfectly into UDK via Fragmotion and Milkshape. It's only complexly animated things like EAI weapons that seem to be so temperamental...

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Yes, I have the (noname) problem too, but since it doesnt affect anything, that's ok with me.
And the export seems fine for me :S

FM has always done awesome exporting animated .X for me.

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IT ruins the skeleton...somehow. I went through a mesh systematically...

Deleted the mesh and replaced it with a cube - crash. Deleted all materials save one, and applied it to the cube. Still crashed on import...

It must be the skeleton, and since the NoName basically doubles the amount of bones in the rig. I bet my money it's somehow broken the rig...

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The rigs have always had double bones.
Go back to an older version and try for yourself.

For me its sure doing good.

And I use FM about 95% of my media creation time, which is a lot of time

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Posted: 27th Sep 2010 01:38 Edited at: 27th Sep 2010 01:43
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Quote: "Yes, I have the (noname) problem too, but since it doesnt affect anything, that's ok with me."

It will if you export as a milkshape file.
It looks good in milkshape too, until you hit the animation button then the face and other body parts jump to new positions distorting the whole thing.

Quote: "IT ruins the skeleton...somehow."

If you figure this out CG, then let me know, and I'll do the same by letting you know if I can find a workaround for this issue.

Quote: "For me its sure doing good.

And I use FM about 95% of my media creation time, which is a lot of time "

Do you export directly out of FM or do you go out to Milkshape then export an X?

If you export X out of FM, then please share your export settings by showing us your process in a quick video or something.
I am really anxious to modify these talkers, so I can get my characters to look closer to the people they are modelled after.

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Quote: "The rigs have always had double bones.
Go back to an older version and try for yourself.
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Exactly. I was hoping the new exporter actually worked now. But it still has this silly problem...

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Posted: 27th Sep 2010 01:44 Edited at: 27th Sep 2010 01:48
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He means they were made that way, its not a fluke on the import.
The only fluke is the loss of the names.
I'm going to try to manually readjust those distorted vertices to see if I can get them lined back up.

I wish MilkShape would update their X importer to include the animations, then we wouldn't have this whole two programs to import and export an X file crap.

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Hmm I never use MS3D so I didnt realize that. I must say, I would think its a problem with MS, not FM. MS is extremely buggy, and, to me, unusable.

And CG, I am pretty certain there is supposed to be a double skeleton, something to do with the ragdoll.
I'm more than willing to be corrected on that, though.

That's just what I heard once.

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Quote: "Hmm I never use MS3D so I didnt realize that. I must say, I would think its a problem with MS, not FM. MS is extremely buggy, and, to me, unusable."

I never could get the X files from FragMotion to work in FPSC, and that is why I had to use MilkShape because the X(jt) works in FPSC.

@GJ
Can you please tell me how you get your X files from fragmotion to work in FPSC?

Am I missing an export option or what?

Can you give me a step by step on your export and the settings if you changed any?

If I could get a FragMotion X file in FPSC without crashing it then I will skip MilkShape for the talker process. (I have gotten used to the interface though)

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Quote: "And CG, I am pretty certain there is supposed to be a double skeleton, something to do with the ragdoll.
I'm more than willing to be corrected on that, though.
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I'm importing weaponry from Model Pack 9...

I just need to work out which part is breaking the model...

A) It's already broken before I've even started,
B) Fragmotion breaks it on import,
C) It breaks it on export to MS3D format,
D) Milshape breaks it on export to PSK,

Superficially, it always seems to work perfectly until the last stage. What bugs me is that I got stock media to work, so why not EAI media?

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Conjured: Here is a pic of my export settings, works ace for me.

I just take it from there through the make entities from x files or if its a gun to the guns folder.

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He wants to get it into Milkshape for editing though...

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I import the thug_L talker and I get an error on export and even just trying to save as...ugh.

It says invalid path for the texture, so I deleted the texture so there would be no path and it still says invalid path for the texture?!?!?!

It exports as an X file, but when I import back into FragMotion, the animations are gone.

Quote: "He wants to get it into Milkshape for editing though..."

Yea, I am used to Milkshape's interface, but I will use Frag for editing it if I can get the bloody thing to export right.

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Thanks GJ; I finally got it to export from Fragmotion, however the face still gets distorted, so they can't blame it on MilkShape.
I'm just going to do my editing in FragMotion and try to get those vertices back in the right spot.
It is nice to know that FragMotion X files work right now for importing to FPSC without having to go through MilkShape.
It was saying the program was not responding, but it was just crawling is all.
It took like 2 or 3 minutes for the export, and that is why I thought it was locked up and not responding. (usually takes like 10 seconds)

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Posted: 27th Sep 2010 21:21 Edited at: 27th Sep 2010 21:22
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Yes characters (or anything with animation) can take a while depending on how much animation they have.
I once added around 4000 extra frames of animation to a character and it took a good 10 or 15 minutes to export.

And no problem, glad it helped.

{edit} and it's extremely strange that the face is distorted for you. do you mean distorted in MS? or FM?

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The (no name) bones are a result of unnamed frames inside the .x files. Previously these had been given a name like Bone1, Bone2, ... but the name should be irrelevant.
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Hey, is that the creator of FragMo on the TGC forums? Cool Nice work with it, love the tool.


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I live and die with Fragmo for everything, from modelling, uvmapping, texturing, exporting ready to use

Just a shame you removed the simple UV Map Coords

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Quote: "Hey, is that the creator of FragMo on the TGC forums? Cool Nice work with it, love the tool."

Yep

NBT: I do everything but model\texture in it.

I rig, animate with it, and simply LOVE it.
Lol.

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Quote: "Previously these had been given a name like Bone1, Bone2, ... but the name should be irrelevant. "

Yeah, that is what I thought they were named, Bone1 Bone2 etc.
Thanks for the reply.

@Fragmo
Check out the distortion to the face of the new 'talker' characters like the Thug_L.X in v117+ of FPSC.
Aiko talker is worse, but you will see what I mean about the face getting distorted once you hit the animations.
I love using your program too, and you can tell by my other posts linking to it.
This distortion to the face and other vertices bug is making it difficult to edit the talker characters.
I'm not saying the bug is in FragMOTION, as it probably is in the file, but where isn't as important as why.
It would be nice to know why it is doing it so we can get a workaround for it, and get the characters edited.
You would know better how to answer that than any of us, so any more help would be greatly appreciated.
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Quote: "Check out the distortion to the face of the new 'talker' characters like the Thug_L.X in v117+ of FPSC"


I downloaded the Butler.x talking model and ran into the same issue. The problem here is that the model has more than 128 bones, which is the maximum number of joints allowed in Milkshape. I've dealt with some of the EAI models as well, they too have more than 128 bones. There's a couple of possible solutions here, either I can make fragmotion produced x files load into FPSC, or you guys can convince the author of Milkshape to support more joints.
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@Fragmo: Can I please have "Map UV coords" back, so I can use version 1.3 please, pretty please

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@FragMo

Do you know a god way I can get an X file into a stable Max format? It's not the mesh or materials, it is definitely something in the skeleton...

It doesn't affect armless models but does affect ones with arms, leading me to believe that the extra bone added with the Bone1, Bone2, etc bug is somehow damaging the model...

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Quote: "There's a couple of possible solutions here, either I can make fragmotion produced x files load into FPSC, or you guys can convince the author of Milkshape to support more joints."

Forget Milkshape for right now.

I get distortions in FragMOTION with the new talker characters, so please make FragMOTION work for us with the new _L.x characters. (on import - just look at the animations)
The new talker characters all have an _L suffix, so please take a look in the entitybank of v117+.

Try one of the new talker characters too, because those are the ones with the issue I am talking about.
If it is too many bones, then yes, please make FragMOTION export for us.

If you can make the new _L.X talker characters (stock FPSC talker characters) work for usin FragMOTION, then our editing dreams can come true.

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Quote: "Can I please have "Map UV coords" back, so I can use version 1.3 please, pretty please"


Yes, I'll add it back for the next version

Quote: "Do you know a good way I can get an X file into a stable Max format?"


3DS max is probably the only app that will create stable .max files.

Quote: "If you can make the new _L.X talker characters (stock FPSC talker characters) work for usin FragMOTION, then our editing dreams can come true."


I'll see what I can do
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Many thanks!

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...Fragmotion steadily becoming the must-have for FPSC.

Fragmo, anything you can do to continue to evolve and tailor Fragmotion towards
FPSC dedication would be greatly appreciated...and make your sales jump dramatically.

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Quote: "3DS max is probably the only app that will create stable .max files."


Sorry should've been more specific, I meant any Max ready format...

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It's much improved, but alas, still not perfect. It's still impossible to get a model program to see the .x file in it's true form, try importing the TGC store M32.

But hey, as long as I have FragMO, it'll be a useful step in the Source engine model compiling process.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Quote: "I get distortions in FragMOTION with the new talker characters, so please make FragMOTION work for us with the new _L.x characters. (on import - just look at the animations)
The new talker characters all have an _L suffix, so please take a look in the entitybank of v117+."


You're seeing distortions in fragmotion? I don't see anything wrong with any of them. Are you seeing this with v1.0.3a? Older versions show some distortion but not the new one.

Quote: "Sorry should've been more specific, I meant any Max ready format..."


I don't know much about 3DS Max except that it's expensive. So in other words I'm not the person to ask, sorry
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Wow, one of the most idols here in tgc.. wow, and seems like you been here, just a while ('04)


as NBT said


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Quote: "You're seeing distortions in fragmotion? I don't see anything wrong with any of them. Are you seeing this with v1.0.3a? Older versions show some distortion but not the new one."

Here is a video of what happens when I hit the animations tab thingy (anim-1) at the top to view the animations.... (see attached video)

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Here is the version it says I have after I installed that latest update... (see atttached image)

I thought I have the latest update but it doesn't say a at the end.
I had upgraded from 0.9.1a and it made a new shortcut, so I now have both versions installed.

Do you think I may have downloaded the wrong thing or maybe installed it wrong?

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Here is what I mean when I say hit the thingy at the top... (once again, see attached image)

Quote: "I don't know much about 3DS Max except that it's expensive. "

Yeah, and that is what makes your product so great; people don't have to pirate it because they can actually afford it.

I must be doing something wrong, or I didn't get the right download, so I'll keep trying until it says the a at the end.

Thanks again for a wonderful program, and for all your help and support.

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Excuse me, I have a free student license, I didn't pirate it!

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Yeah but you been a student for the last 25 years!!

Joke :p

I bought two licenses so I could use it at work also ^_^

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Nice, I figured since it's free and legal though - why the heck not?!

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