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Shadow
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...and I blame DirectX 9, as I have tried reinstalling DB, and only the graphics are affected (i.e. there are none, you just see the other applications/desktop).

So...is it possible to make games in Java?
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I would stick to DBP if I were you..I hear java is kick arse hard...

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DBPro required DirectX 9.0b and very latest drivers for your graphics card otherwise all sorts of wierd things happen.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2003 22:08
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Quote: "I would stick to DBP if I were you..I hear java is kick arse hard..."


Great. I have to do Java for my degree.

Quote: "DBPro required DirectX 9.0b and very latest drivers for your graphics card otherwise all sorts of wierd things happen."


Not if I use an old version of DBP. How can I revert back to DirectX 8?
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lol. That was the stupidest comment, no offens. DBP was realesed when DX9 was out

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actually before update 5 dbpro used directX 8, so you just need to reinstall your copy of dbp to get it back to using direct x 8.


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its usually our video card drivers after installing a new direct x that need updating thats causing the problem.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2003 13:12
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Quote: "So...is it possible to make games in Java?"


possible and sensible are two very different words
nah i'm just kidding, Java is a cool little language for developing games of all ilks. Just don't expect close to the performance of C++, you have to keep projects smaller and leaner because it is an interpretive language - even if you compile most of the source into java binary you still need some execution code for looping and such which is where you loose the speed.

sniff around the mobile phone games scene, you'll pickup some very good tips

Quote: "How can I revert back to DirectX 8? "

if you setup a restore point you should be fine... if not the only way to revert is reinstall windows
well there is one other way but if you do it wrong you might loose your Windows installation anyways.

what graphics card and windows do you have? - please don't say 98 or ME cause you might as well just reinstall
DirectX9.0x notoriously hate the Win9x OSs (god knows why) tends to only happen with Via based montherboards too, which just adds to the mystery really. %)

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I have:

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I think this is the graphics card (I dont know much about graphics cards - if it aint, just tell me how to find it out)

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Hey, I started learning how to program in Java. I recently made a program that's a mouse driven doodlepad that can give the user the ability to change between a heapping, whopping 5 colors!

Java looks like it has alot of potential. I think it's really cool.

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Shadow Robert
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java is just as indepth as C, only problem is its inheritance to OO if you ask me ... that and its SLOW
the new JIT java for IE7 certainly fixxes alot of its slow issues though

odd how Dx9 isn't working for you, however the R7500 isn't exactly hugly compliant with it. Make sure you grab the latest Cat drivers, question is it just DBP or is it all Dx games/programs that won't run?
If it is just DBP what error message do you get?

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[shock]

You are not mixing Java Script with Java are you Raven??? Java has not relation to IE7!!

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Posted: 11th Oct 2003 15:12
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@Raven

When I run the tests in dxdiag, they go fine.

I don't get an error message from DBP, it justs runs the program, but with no graphics. You just see the applications, desktop, etc. behind it.
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Posted: 11th Oct 2003 15:27
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Quote: "You are not mixing Java Script with Java are you Raven??? Java has not relation to IE7!!"


i think raven may mean IE7 comes bundled with a faster java runtime?
i don't know much about java, all i do know is that it isn't actually the language that is slow, it's the interpreters out there which are slow.

javascript shouldn't be slow, it should just be as fast as the browser can run, i.e. i'd expect javascript to run faster in IE than it does in nutscrape.


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Posted: 11th Oct 2003 16:57 Edited at: 11th Oct 2003 16:58
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Quote: "i think raven may mean IE7 comes bundled with a faster java runtime?"

That will not happen. MS completely stopped any kind of java developments.

Quote: "javascript shouldn't be slow, it should just be as fast as the browser can run, i.e. i'd expect javascript to run faster in IE than it does in nutscrape."

Try it. You might be surprised.

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Yeah MS HAVE to stop supplying Java Script support casue Sun had a [censored] up their [censored] over the whole thing.

Might not have been Sun but whoever it was they are [censored].

Not that i dont like em

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Posted: 11th Oct 2003 17:01 Edited at: 11th Oct 2003 17:10
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Yeah it was Sun (but it was Java not JavaScript).

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Posted: 11th Oct 2003 17:12
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lol,

I hate Java Script and Java. Reminds me of them 70's lamps

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Posted: 11th Oct 2003 17:19
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Oh, I think Java script is ok.
Java is a bit too much OO for my linkings.

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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 06:34
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Microsoft still have to add support for Java though, even if they're not producing a form of Java themselves.

IE7 has a new JIT Compiler for Java which converts it into a .Net (not sure which language probably C#) which links and executes at close to machine speed. Only thing about it is the slightly longer load & compile times, but with faster processors isn't really noticeable.

Javascript works different to Java, in the fact that its interpreted realtime as opposed to running on a precompiled runtime ... not sure of the exact specifics cause i'm not particularly into either, but i know that programming with Java under IE7 (which i believe is being redist through Media Center 2004, might just be a Win.Net gem though) will run almost as fast as C/C++ proggies.

Alot of companies like Adobe were making noises about it a while back because they can finally upgrade Atmospheres to a far more indepth engine with speeds compariable to Quake or such.
which is exciting becuase right now thier speeds suck even on the most powerful systems

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Posted: 12th Oct 2003 14:34 Edited at: 12th Oct 2003 14:47
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Microsoft will drop Java support by September 2004, so MS customers have a year "to identify MSJVM dependencies, to investigate alternatives, and to test and deploy alternate solutions."
There will be no new MS version of VM or JIT.
Also there is a difference between Java for web browers and the complete Java RTL.

Quote: "IE7 has a new JIT Compiler for Java which converts it into a .Net (not sure which language probably C#) which links and executes at close to machine speed."

If it converted Java to C# it wouldn't execute.

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Quote: "Also there is a difference between Java for web browers and the complete Java RTL."


yes, and most people don't use the system executable version but webready ... really makes the RTE's pretty useless in most cases.
to be honest i don't care how they do it, all i know is JIT compiling is one hell of alot faster in IE7
and as long as they don't simply take away java support then i'll be fine.

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I repeat myself:
Microsoft will drop Java support by September 2004

No new java developments, only support of the existing products (till Sept 04). You might have noticed that there's no jre in Windows since XP. You have to download it seperately.

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Anyway, forget Java for a sec, is there any way I can get DBP to work properly?
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Shadow...

Go to ATI's website (www.ati.com) download the latest Catalyst drivers 3.8, when this is done...

Uninstall your current video drivers by doing this..

Click your mouse on Start--->Settings--->Control Panels--->Add Remove Programs

Find your ATI Drivers, and click uninstall..

Then click on the 3.8 drivers that you downloaded and they will install and you will need to reboot your computer.

After this, make sure you have Direct X 9.0b installed. You must have Direct X 9.0b for it to work correctly.

Reboot and try DBPro again...

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thanx. I'll try that soon.
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DBPro works again! Thanks DMXtra!
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hey martyn, look at dmxtra's avatar

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Did anyone else pick this up?
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LMAO!

That is the funnyest thing ive heard it called in ages..

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