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WebSlingerBoy
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i am and indy dev on an extremely low budget, so i try to get stuff free whenever i can

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Posted: 1st Feb 2012 00:27
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Er...

http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=view_product&id=2000&page=free

Yes.

I not only program but review video games too.

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Posted: 1st Feb 2012 19:59
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yeah, sorry.... i found that after i posted this. is there a limit on my use of FPS Creator Free?

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Posted: 1st Feb 2012 20:53
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You make a living off making games and you use FPS creator?

The software is free, but there's a catch: You can't legally sell it because you don't own the license. Only when you purchase the software do you also purchase the license.

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Are you talking about Dark Basic Pro free or FPS Creator free, Comet?

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Chris Tate
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Posted: 2nd Feb 2012 12:25
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If you are going to make something that is going to sell; I recommend saving up for DBPRO, and some plugins which make life easier. There are 1000s of indie games out there to compete with for a lit bits of money.

You could get started with the free version, then gradually implement the game with the full version and each plugin over time. That's what I did; I have 80% of the plugins, but got them one by one over the past 3 years.

The disadvantage of this is that you miss out on bundle savings.

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Posted: 2nd Feb 2012 15:30
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Quote: "I recommend saving up for DBPRO, and some plugins which make life easier"


To clarify, DBPro is free, it's only the plugins that cost money. There are also some free plugins such as Matrix1 Utils.

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Posted: 2nd Feb 2012 16:33
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Yeah, sorry, DBPRO is free now.

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Posted: 2nd Feb 2012 17:24
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Quote: "Are you talking about Dark Basic Pro free or FPS Creator free, Comet?"


DBP Free, but the same should apply for FPSC Free I think (I don't know much about it, could be wrong).

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ok, to clarify, i am not just an indy dev, i am also a beginner, so i am also looking to learn about the language.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2012 18:04
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I've not read the full license for DBPro free, but this
Note: This is offer is for single home users only. Business and educational establishments cannot use the free version.
Would indicate to me that you cannot sell a game you've produced with it.

Whether that is or is not the case, DBPro is extremely cheap
http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=view_product&id=2125
At $50 USD for Dark Game Studio, it is the least the developers deserve for such a wonderful bundle of truly easy to use tools (try UDK).

I love free stuff too, but once you've learned how to use it you really should give something back to the developers (even if that means making plugins or releasing free tools to the community).
I use Blender and a number of other open source/free tools for art and game building. You better believe if I publish something publicly that I will donate to them.

Sorry for the lecture, but I strongly believe in the golden rule and paying it forward.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2012 18:23 Edited at: 8th Feb 2012 18:24
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ok, since i am not a buisiness, nor do i have one connected to my work with games, i don't think that is an issue, but if that means i cannot sell my TADs i write with this, i am abandoning this and trying something else. i just spent 90 on a Wii, and am trying to build/buy a PC so i cannot stretch my budget to buy the 50 DGS. i know that all the "paying it forward" and such is good, but i have very little money and time, if i buy a program and am making plugins and tools, i am selling them to make up for what i payed, or even if the program was free, i do not have the time to spend on making things that will not make me any money since i am trying to make enough money to sponsor my PC build.

not trying to be rude, but that is the simple fact about my situation, i will not spend my time on something that will make me no money to use on my PC build.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2012 19:05 Edited at: 8th Feb 2012 19:07
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@WebSlingerBoy:
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR DBPRO until you decide to sell something you've made. Do this:

1) Use DBPro for free while developing and learning.
2) Make your game for selling.
3) Release a free demo of your game - say level 1 & 2 - and see how well it does. IF it gets a lot of downloads and people asking for more, then borrow money from a friend and buy dbpro and sell the full, pay-for version of your game and pay your friend back at the end of the month.

That way you can make money with no risk because if your game is not popular you will know before buying DBPro and so you can try another game and keep doing this until you find something your can sell.

Problem solved

EDIT: BTW, I agree with "Pay it forward". You can always contribute to the TGC site or community during all this.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2012 19:16
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Agreeing fully with nonZero - thanks for clarifying exactly what I meant.

Quote: "i do not have the time to spend on making things that will not make me any money since i am trying to make enough money to sponsor my PC build"

My point exactly.

By the way, what are TADs?
(not being a wisearse I really don't know)

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Posted: 8th Feb 2012 23:35 Edited at: 8th Feb 2012 23:39
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TAD: Text ADventure, a term that existed since the '90s at least

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Posted: 9th Feb 2012 03:03
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I kind of thought that, but I didn't want to be presumptuous.

DarkBASIC is very much for graphical games. I can understand not wanting to spend $50 to make a text game. Check out justbasic.com it is completely free. Also C is pretty easy if you're just looking for text.

Good luck.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2012 07:20
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Lets not forget Python. Its an easy language (so long as you maintain good habbits). Although it all depends on you at the end of the day. You should do what you're most comfortable with. I must just warn you that there's a very small market for TADs on pc atm and developing for mobile devices is a better choice with this genre so DBPro may not be the best as it isn't cross-platform. Have a look at AppGameKit - which is cross-platform - you may find you like it, you may not but its worth looking into.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2012 19:03
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AGK, App Game Kit? could i use justbasic to make a browser?

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Posted: 10th Feb 2012 11:31
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Quote: "AGK, App Game Kit? could i use justbasic to make a browser?"

AGK = App Game Kit yes. Here's the info
http://www.appgamekit.com/
Also, by "browser" you'll need to be more specific but I'll assume you mean file browser. I don't know the limits to JustBasic by if it's a file browsing function you need then you can write that in ANY proper language if you put your mind to it.

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i meant a web browser, not file. with tabs, history and everything.. made one in VB2010E but cannot make it into a commercial item since it is not for commercial use. i will transfer my project to a diff compiler that i can do the same with, i just wanted to see if i could make the browser

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I don't know the limits of justBASIC either but you'd probably have to write your own html parser etc.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2012 09:49 Edited at: 11th Feb 2012 09:52
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Quote: "i meant a web browser..."

That's quite an undertaking. You'd have to see what commands are available in JustBasic first, it's ability to interact with windows and/or hardware and, as Hodgey says, you'd need to write an html parser (or find an open-source project you could build from). If you've already managed to write it in VB then I suggest you find a free (or cheap) compiler that allows you commercial use. It would seem quite a hassle to re-write the whole thing. So, in short, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". If your browser works 100% and you've got all the kinks ironed out then don't go changing languages. This came up on SourceForge.net (along with hundreds). Dunno what the licensing is but it's free to use:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/thundervb/?source=directory
Anyway you can search Sourceforg.net for more compilers - there are loads and I'm sure many are free to use for commercial and non-commercial use alike.

EDIT: Oops, ignore the link, I didn't read properly - it said "add-in"... I thought it was standalone. My bad. Anyway, just check out SourceForge, I'm sure you'll fine something.

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all i managed was back, forward, home, reload, stop, go, and the input textbox for the URL, not really very advanced, but it's a start. i want to try to make it so i can somehow make money off it. also want to try to make an OS, a Paint like program, and a bunch of stuff that works better than microsoft

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Posted: 11th Feb 2012 23:51 Edited at: 11th Feb 2012 23:52
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Quote: "i want to try to make it so i can somehow make money off it."

You might have a hard time making money off it since a lot of the mainstream browsers are free.

Quote: "also want to try to make an OS"

This could be very difficult, depending on its complexity. If you're designing an OS for a microwave for instance (yes they need OSs to) then you could probably do something of that simplicity but building an OS to compete with Windows, OS X, Linux etc, you'll need a team of developers behind you to do that. You'd also have to be prepared to maintain the OS as well.

Quote: "a Paint like program"

This is more feasible. It shouldn't be too hard to beat MS Paint.

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eh, i just want to try to make an OS, and i'm gonna make a browser, how exactly do they make money off browsers btw? not finding much about tutorials for for BASIC, only code for BASIC and C# to input into a forms template.

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Quote: "how exactly do they make money off browsers btw?"


Hodgey's right about the web browser. You won't make money off it by selling it. In windows alone, you'll have to deal with IE (yes many ppl use it still), Firefox, Chrome and Opera. All of the are free. Your best bet is to give it away for free and have it add-supported, then offer an add-free version for a minimal price like 10 USD. Also, if itto be a success then you've got to make it look good and feel comfortable as well as run a decent campaign to advertise it.

As for making as OS, that is not an easy undertaking. It would be easier to take something that already exists, like Linux, and build on that. Linux is fully open-source and there's a massive community that you could recruit from and collaborate with (which is why there are so many Linux flavours). Google it, you'll find 100s of forums and sites.... However, your project would have to be open-source - it's something the Linux community feel strongly about.

Finally, tutorials. Can't help you there. Wouldn't know where to start looking but if you are writing a web browser, I suggest you study up on "how it all works" and go from there. I doubt you'll easily find a step-by-step guide.

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i want closed source so i can make money, not open source, that is my one dislike for opensource

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Quote: "i want closed source so i can make money, not open source, that is my one dislike for opensource"


You want to make money from an Operating System? Good luck... You've Apple and Microsoft to compete with on the mainstream market plus you've got Linux and ReactOS to compete with on the freeware market. There is no way a single person or even a small team can compete with that. You'd need serious startup capital for equipment, staff and some sort of marketing campaign. Earlier in this post you said you couldn't fork out money - 50 USD - for DGS so I doubt you'll have the money to pay for a commercially developed OS.
I think stick to making the web-browser for now and heed the advice that everyone has posted here. If you can make enough money from that and you still have your eyes on a commercially-developed OS then use the money from the web-browser as startup capital (If it doesn't make you money, it'll at least give you credentials for the next bit) and see if you can't get a loan or get some partners into this OS-project. But atm, developing a commercial OS for PC use is waaaay out of the question. Another option may be to develop something yourself for RISC/ARM architecture (CPU architecture in many consumer electronics). Making an OS for, say, DVD player or an MP3 player may be quite feasible - but not necessarily easy by a long shot. Then approach a company with it and see what they have to say. If you have some software you've already made, it'll increase your chances of actually getting a meeting with Nakamura-san than if you're some guy off the street.

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ok, the OS thing is i just want to try to make one, not really compete, just want to be able to know i can do it

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Quote: "ok, the OS thing is i just want to try to make one, not really compete, just want to be able to know i can do it"


Ah, I see, personal achievement. That's cool, then go for it!

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anyone can help me with this? i have gone nowhere for a while

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Quote: "anyone can help me with this?"

With what exactly?

BBB GUI Plugin
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with a tutorial. i want to make some games but am finding no howtos for modern versions of language

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I would highly recommend this page.. its helped refresh long lost memory of basic..

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=115633&b=7

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Gaming is a lifestyle!!
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