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Mattman
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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 22:11
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where could I find some good Visual C++ 6.0 tutorials (as in, learning C++ while using VC++ 6.0 Enterprise)

Thanks in advance,
Mattman

btw, I did do a google search. Not helping much

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 22:19
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Is this what you had in mind?

You might have to look a bit though, like a few hyperlinks below the one you get to.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 22:21
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thanks for trying, but been there already. I mean, basics of C++

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 22:33
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I think, when it comes to C++, it's actually better to buy a book, or to enroll in an evening class or soemthing. I tried to learn it myself, without books, and I couldn't get anywhere. There's such a learning curve on a number of fronts, compared to other languages.

And you got to know quite a bit about all of them to start seeing any sort of progress without annoying compiler error messages. Of course, that's just me spouting my mouth off. But it's what I think. You'd benefit from peace and quiet with a book, or the comfort of strangers, when it comes to C++.

Besides, since I've given up, I can't remember any good sites for good basic tutorials. I wish I did.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 22:40 Edited at: 9th Nov 2003 22:45
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I have a book, and it's a bad one too

Wanna know the sad think? the book was written by Bjarne Stroustrup (for those of you who do not know, he helped create C++ )

http://ec.tmit.ac.jp/koyama/c++.html (it's the first book)

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 23:10
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I have that book, and it's great ... but it's not a book for the beginner. It's for advancing your existing knowledge of C++.

There are better books to learn from, like the C++ Black Book for example.
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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 23:11
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C++ is so varied that it really depends on what you want to do. The basics are identical to DB, just different ways of going about it (ifs, loops etc.).

Having siad that c++ has the OOP factor, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 23:13
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well, thats kinda what I meant Ian. I probably should have said something like "It is to complex for me to understand due to my little C/C++ knowledge"

I just wanna do a regualar old "hello world" proggy for christ's sake, can't even do that, lol

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 23:29
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I'd recommend taking a class (I'm doing that right now, and it comes so much easier than when I had tried to learn from books)

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 23:37 Edited at: 9th Nov 2003 23:37
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Well, I taught myself a little bit of C++ before I started taking a course on it this year in school. Mattman, I suggest you go to Google (yes, google, best search engine!) and search for "C++ beginner tutorials". That's what I did, and I got quite a few results that I ended up bookmarking. I'd give you the links but unfortunately I had to reformat my hard disk since that time and no longer have them.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2003 23:54
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wasn't Stroustrup the actual "creator" of C++, at least that's what I think I read somewhere. Want a good OOPL that is the "same as C++" but easier syntax-wise then try VB.NET or even C# (C++7) due to managed code and the CLR (Common Language Runtime) all the playing fields are levelled now between VB and C#/++. Best of all you can use DX9SDK for .net managed code (Pure .NET classes - no COM) Check it out!

msdn.microsoft.com - follow link to .NET Show discusses DX9SDK-Managed Code

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by class, do you mean e-class?

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Well, I meant a real class, but I don't really know anything about c++ e-classes...

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I've found that most Game programming books are written in C and often will just be about Win32 API, DirectX, Collisions & physics. Maybe they'll show you some lengthy library you'll be expected to copy, paste & tweak into any programs you'll write.

On the other hand, "text book like" C++ books don't generally take you anywhere near windows API or game programming.

"Game Programming All in One" has a great "crash course" in C++ in it which wll get you started.

However I would recommend "Teach yourself Game programming in 24hrs" by Sams publishing. I found the great thing about this book is it uses very clear C++ coding (he explains everything) to create a game library you WILL understand, that can be subclassed and re-used, and doesn't mess your head up with DirectX but uses GDI instead.

The other great plus is that in most chapters you'll have a little program you'll write to "see the results" of what you've just done, which is great for the motivation.

You will be comfortable with C++ classes, Windows and 2D game programming after this. Where you go from there is up to you, probably DirectX and writing a few games.

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nice one sonic - i remember that 1 as well

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Since Cattlerustler mentioned his favourite language, I can mention mine. Object Pascal, or otherwize nearly universally called Delphi (though that's just the IDE.) But stay away from Delphi 7 Studio. Use Delphi 6.

It's as OOPL-ish as C++, but much more reminiscent of Basic. As a matter of fact, if you know the Basic-commands you pretty much know Object Pascal as well. The benefit with Delphi is that with the 'CLX' and Kylix components that are included you can develop simultanously for Windows and Linux, so you broaden your market considerably.

The similarity to Basic is superficial though. Under the hood it's a very strongly typed and strict language, and it's nearly as fast as C++. In fact, a lot of the stuff with types (structs in C-family) comes from Pascal.

Borland gives away Delphi 6 Personal versions, so you might have a look at it.

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Not to hard to find links these days.

http://cplus.about.com/library/blcplustut.htm

If I were you, I'd learn how to program first, and then focus on games. That's where I'm heading, and so far it's been working. As far as books, I'd recommend any of the Sam's book series(teach yourself in X hours/ X days)




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thanks yellow, that was a good link. I finally got a basic "Hello world" proggy runnin'

Now for the hard stuff,





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I thought the Wrox Press C++ Tutorial that comes with VC++ was actually quite good. Although a bit complicated at times, it goes through everything thoroughly.

Having said that, an excellent resource for Programming Tutorials and some other applications is: http://www.free-ed.net/catalog/itcat01.asp - It basically has a bunch of free online books that you can access, there's a fairly decent one on Visual C++ as well as others on C and C++.


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Mattman,

You spend the next few years learning C++, and if that is the effort you are going to put forth I commend you! The only thing I might add is that .NET is the future and you may want to consider putting C# in your arsenal because sooner or later it's going to be the preferred development language out there. I am by no means saying don't learn C++, that would be ludicrous as it is the current premier development lang but you may want to look at C# side by side as it is practically exact to C++ in syntax, it really only differs where COM vs .NET differ

just some friendly advise - sorry to stick my nose in
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Quote: "You spend the next few years learning C++, and if that is the effort you are going to put forth I commend you!"


umm, is that good?

I AM NOT going to learn C#(at least, in the next 10-15 years. but remember, in 10--15 years I will be 22-27, about when I will be getting a REAL programming job, so I mighjt need it then )
and I don't like VB. You are acting like my uncle (he went as far as to give me VB code his company uses that he should not have given to the public(aka me ) to get me to do more VB)

Anyways, umm, I am frustrated. I am trying to get classes and random numbers out of 0,1, and 2.

Grr,
Mattius

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I think a good solution to this problem is if one of us would

GIVE HIM DA CODEZ


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well I guess that's my age, and my willingness to offer advice to young up-and-comers to programming, showing thru again. Sorry, didn't mean to sound like an "Uncle" - LOL

Yes, that quote was good.

In 10-15 years who knows what the programming languages will be!

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In 10-15 years we will have a microphone that you talk into, and all you say is "hey computer, make the game i'm thinking of" and it will be ready the instant you finish your sentence.

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...if only.


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Posted: 11th Nov 2003 17:12 Edited at: 11th Nov 2003 17:13
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...if only, the woodpecker sighs(which book is that from?)

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