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RUCCUS
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Posted: 2nd Apr 2013 20:28 Edited at: 2nd Apr 2013 20:32
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Youtube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA

Some pretty interesting and crazy stuff. Essentially Cody and a small team are (successfully) working on designing CAD files for 3D printers of various gun parts in the aim to release the files for free to the world on the internet. I'm aware this will most likely end in a flame war but if we can steer clear of that that'd be nice. Most people will jump to the conclusion that Cody is insane but nonetheless he does make some thought-provoking (valid?) points. The next decade is going to be pretty interesting.

The quote from The Joker in the Dark Knight comes to mind:

Quote: "Introduce a little anarchy, you upset the established order and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. And you know the thing about chaos, Harvey? ... It's fair. -- The Joker"


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I saw that. those are totally awesome! Not to be spammy but check out the link in my sig.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 00:25
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Quote: "...gun parts in the aim to release the files..."

Pun intended?

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 00:33 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2013 00:35
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I already saw it. It was fascinating video. I always wondered what if someone was to print out even more bigger weapons like full automatics, anti-air weapons, nukes. btw Not to start a flame war but I tend to let america keep their guns. They get crazy when you take it from them. lol
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Printing nukes or anti-airs or anything akin to that wouldn't be possible. First off the main point of him printing the parts for the guns he is using is because anyone can get ammo for them relatively easily (you're not going to be able to print a missile (esp. nuclear)) and second off the stresses put on weapons that fire missiles require them to be made of heavy duty materials whereas Cody seems to be aiming at low-cost easily-available printing materials.
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Yeah that is pretty insane, being able to manufacture firearms in your own house...

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This guy seems like a bit of a nutter to me... I don't want to get this thread locked with politics but I can't see any situation where making guns even easier to acquire could be a good thing. :S

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 02:28
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It's... cool. I'm not comfortable with its existence (probably because of this Cody guy), but I can't deny that it's cool.

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3D printers can only print solid parts. It's not like it could actually make a gun. Somebody would still have to assemble it, and making the ammunition is yet another task. We don't have replicators yet. In Star Trek, they can get anything just by saying it by name.
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 03:12
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There are many 3D printers popping up all over that can print inter-connected fully-working parts. The objet printer (the one Cody is using) can do this.



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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 04:02
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Whoa. Can it print metal? Can it print food?
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 04:06 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2013 04:08
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Woah, Fluffy Rabbit with a sarcastic post? No way.

I don't recall saying it can print food, but no, you'd be right in guessing it can't believe it or not.

As far as printing metal goes, stronger polymers are being developed every day.

Please stick to the posting competition if you're just going to throw out sarcastic trollage, I'm trying to avoid the flamebait here.
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 04:06
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Metal, yes. Food, no

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food yes, well different printer equipment, but food printing in general yes

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/24/technology/3D_food_printer/index.htm

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How does the strength of a polymer compare to the strength of a metal such as steel, out of curiosity.


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I wasn't pretending to be a professional on the subject, the fact remains that the materials are getting stronger, and that was all I was saying in response to Fluffy.

A quick google search brings up Windform, a carbon-fiber reinforced polymer for use in 3D printers, as one example.
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He says everyone should have access to these gun designs. Why? What possible purpose is there in providing an easy way to let someone produce unlicensed assault rifles? Figures he'd be from texas, gun-toting capital of the world. I'm definitely against this idea.

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Wow. I have no idea how it can print a fully assembled piece with moving parts without getting all the bits stuck together. How? It if prints in layers, does that mean moving parts are printed onto thin air?

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For moving or loose parts, bits around the object are a different material I believe. The object is then placed in a liquid (possibly just water) and the tiny bits holding certain things dissolves and the parts become free flowing. My work got to play around with one as a demo and that's more or less how they explained it to me.

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Ah, from what I know, the way you can get moving parts and such is as follows: for each layer that is created, a layer of the powder is spread across the 'canvas', and then a laser device comes across and sinters the layer correctly, and the processes is repeated until the whole thing is done. As layers are deposited, any powder that is not sintered ends up supporting anything that goes above it. When the whole thing is done, the object, fully assembled if designed so, will simply be sitting there embedded in the powder. It must simply be cleaned, and Bob's your uncle!

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Genius!

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 06:18
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Like so...



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Cool. That is some expensive powder, though. Plus, I bet it's not heat-proof since it uses a laser. In Star Trek, they do it by arranging microscopic particles with beams, held together during design with an anti-gravity field.
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 06:47 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2013 06:49
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Ah, those lasers can produce some pretty intense heat. It is indeed possible to sinter things like stainless steel with a laser, but for that I think they typically use a glue, and then 'bake' the object to fuse the metal together.

But yah, even this nylon stuff is pretty strong, I have seen videos of wrenches being made with it and it having roughly the same strength as a comparable steel wrench.

Also saw this pretty neat video a while back:



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Wow, that is amazing. However, the reason I bring up heat resistance is that one could not make a flamethrower, space ship, or oven with a 3D printer if only plastics are used.
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3D printer for guns. I don't think that plastic could manage shooting as the metal does. Then why real gun factories don't do that?

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Sounds like a sensible idea.

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There's a reason why lowers are machined out of metal.

Every example he's shown fails - there is no reliability in a lower, or even a magazine printed in plastic.

Now, what worries me is what happens when they start using ceramics and high density plastics, which probably could cope better with the stresses involved. All of that stuff is too easily available already, this won't end well, someone will kill them self or someone else, or several people with a printed gun then we'll see the potential behind 3D printing eaten away by government legislation.

Printing a magazine seems especially moronic to me... like spend several hours waiting on an unreliable mag, or buy a reliable one for $30... how stupid do people have to actually be to even want this.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2013 15:39 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2013 15:55
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I noticed that every star trek technology sooner or later becomes available when I saw Picard having a tablet pc.

We are essentially witnessing the birth of the replicator here.

Its just undeniable that we as a species have to be mature enough alltogether to handle our own possibilites and technologys.

I do believe that with the internet our current centurie will put a lot of power and freedom in the hand of individuals with all kind of resources being available that wheren't in the past.
Like a first date, this is exciting and terrifying aswell.

...and of course some american has to uses this technology to print a freaking gun. I can see a lot of hazard here with faulty parts, breaking plastic, cases not being ejected correctly. Well! Lets watch and see what happens. Its an insane world and its a blast to be a part of it.

Edit: It just hit me: When this becomes popular (not only for weapons) selling 3D Models will be at a whole new level. Not only could I design furniture, tableware, wicked sextoys (come on, I'm not the only one who thought of that),tools, decoration, gifts, catlitter boxes, musical instruments, mechanical machines à la davinci but now also handles/stocks/sights and frontparts of firearms.



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Quote: "wicked sextoys (come on, I'm not the only one who thought of that)"

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I figured! Seems an easy way to make a quick buck.

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Quote: "I noticed that every star trek technology sooner or later becomes available when I saw Picard having a tablet pc."


Actually, I distinctly remember the movie Big, with Tom Hanks, and he lays out the design for a tablet pretty eloquently in 1988 . I remember thinking how cool it would be, and how impossible it was.

The price of 3D printers is coming down all the time, there's even plans out there and software to help you build your own. I can see myself getting one in the not so distant future... not for guns or sex toys... actually not sure what I'd make first - probably some character models or something.

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You did say Buck right wolf?

I made some demo models of buildings using a rapid prototype machine that used coloured glue so you got a fully textured object out of it. It was pretty neat even 6 years ago.

I'm not surprised at this but I would be surprised if people really believed this would change the way guns are legislated massively. They can't print bullets for example... I'd like to see them try

People can make weapons illegally right now. I know at least a couple of people who have experimented with it, being an ex-blacksmith. I made a few swords myself and old fashioned pistols are not that hard to make, or cross-bows.

Carrying an illegal gun will still carry the same penalty whether it's stolen, built or printed.

Fun thread though


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Quote: "Actually, I distinctly remember the movie Big, with Tom Hanks, and he lays out the design for a tablet pretty eloquently in 1988"
Really? I literally just rewatched that movie yesterday and I didn't pick up on that. EDIT: Nevermind, the comic book thing xD I'm an idiot.

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Quote: " I don't think that plastic could manage shooting as the metal does"


They can use more than just plastic now. I just read about some new carbon fiber type of polymer they can use.

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Is it cheaper?

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Apparently laser 3D printing is capable of printing with steel. NASA use it to manufacture parts nowadays. Ten years tops and it'll be consumer grade.

I hope everyone can see the humour in this:
http://forums.officer.com/t184851/#post3236919

But yeah, I can only see this freedom with 3D Printers being shrunk, or model sites being administrated if this sort of stuff is freely available.
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Quote: "this won't end well, someone will kill them self or someone else, or several people with a printed gun then we'll see the potential behind 3D printing eaten away by government legislation."
It is possible to print child pornography with regular printers but they aren't illegal.

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they can also print full automatic weapons which is something interesting or just do a 3d life size print of Megan Fox and sell them on ebay. lol
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Quote: "It is possible to print child pornography with regular printers but they aren't illegal."


Just don't be surprised if your illegal printing somehow leads the police to your door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography

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Huh, how come we never see that sort of thing on CSI? I mean it's real forensics...perhaps that's why.

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Quote: "Just don't be surprised if your illegal printing somehow leads the police to your door."
This is not the point I was trying to make. I was saying, just because possession of guns is illegal, 3D printers that can make them will not be illegal. Likewise, although it is illegal to own child pornography, 2D printers that are capable of printing such material are not illegal.

And for the record, I own no illegal material. Judging by what you said, thought I might need to clarify that...

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