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mr Handy
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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 22:02

VIA gamerevolution.com
Quote: "Say what you will about the business practices of publisher giant Electronic Arts, perhaps even say that this is just one (fabulous) PR campaign, but EA has been consistent year after year with their support for the LGBT community. And this year, not only have they hosted the first LGBT Full Spectrum event for LGBT members of the game industry, but they will be showing their support in gay Pride parades around the world.

It would be one thing if they just hung a rainbow flag at their headquarters in Redwood Shores, California (which they will). But they're going bigger this year, and EA employees plan not just to attend the Pride parades for Seattle and San Francisco (as they did last year), but those in Los Angeles, Stockholm, Austin, Orlando, and Vancouver.

What do you think of their support for the LGBT community?"

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Quote: "Despite what detractors may say about Elecronic Arts and their support of gay rights, they are not backing down. They are still the only game company to openly show opposition against DOMA, and have taken it a step further with the EA: Full Spectrum conference to discuss sexuality within the gaming world.
Today, EA stated in a small announcement for national pride month this June they will be showing their support in pride parades all over the world. EA employees, both gay and straight, will be attending national pride parades in Seattle, San Fransisco, Los Angelas, Stockholm, Vancouver, Austin, and Orlando. EA will also be marching in the parades in California, and PopCap has plans for fans in Seattle.
If nothing else, you got to admire the tenacity EA has in their commitment to the issue. It is without a doubt a positive force that I hope other companies will eventually follow suit."


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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 22:12
Good for them.


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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 22:25
Yup, EA have always been pretty good when it comes to supporting gay rights - I remember them being quite vocal about their support of putting gay options into Mass Effect and Dragon Age, which I was pleased to see. Unfortunately they then used it as an excuse when they were voted world's worst company, saying homophobes had voted for them because of this support, which is pretty unsubstantiated.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 22:29 Edited at: 1st Jun 2013 23:00
Not Lesbian parade (yay), not Trans parade but Gay parade. It is just not fair!

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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 22:34 Edited at: 1st Jun 2013 22:36
Good. In decades to come we'll realise that it was immoral to not give gays equal rights, just as today we consider it immoral to not give blacks or women equal rights to white men. For some reason many frequenters of the Boy Scouts of America Facebook page somehow think it's immoral that gay boys are now allowed to join. Cuz like, it's morally wrong to give equal rights to people who are attracted to the 'wrong' gender, right? I wish these bigots would just drop down dead, and we'd advance as a society.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 22:35
I don't know what you're talking about, but when most people talk about Pride they mean LGBT pride - Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transsexual. Also I don't know if you know but Tranny is a pretty offensive word to use, might want to dial that back a bit.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 22:55 Edited at: 1st Jun 2013 23:04
Quote: "Tranny is a pretty offensive"

Okay, should I change it for Trans? I am not famous with LGBT slang.

Quote: "most people talk about Pride"

News sources thoroughout the web were talking mostly as of Gay Parade.

Also, why Pride? It's like Simba's Pride from Lion King? I don't understand why it should be proud of. It's like Pride Parade of Paralytics or smth.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 23:11
I guess people are being proud to be gay. *shrugs* I guess people say you should be proud of who you are. I think it's supposed to counter those who believe there is shame in being gay because in their eyes it is immoral.

They are most commonly referred to as 'Gay Pride Parades' but are generally inclusive of all the LGBT community.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2013 23:19
I'm wondering how much of this is accountable to philanthropism and how much a clever PR stunt.

Quote: "Good. In decades to come we'll realise that it was immoral to not give gays equal rights"


In the future? We realize it now.

Honestly I was surprised to find that some countries I would consider "developed" still haven't legalized gay marriage. Seriously, why is this even a question?! There isn't a single defensible argument against gay marriage, If you are not in favor of gay marriage i consider you sub-human; humanity manages to anger me to no end, but hey, ignorance is bliss.


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Quote: "Okay, should I change it for Trans? I am not famous with LGBT slang."

Yeah trans is fine, as far as I know.

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 00:06 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2013 00:07
Quote: "In the future? We realize it now. "


Apparently not. There are still groups in countries we consider first world (such as the UK and USA, and France among others) that think it's 'immoral' for people with the 'wrong' sexual orientation to have rights. It's mostly religious groups, surprise surprise.

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can't just be me who thinks of Gay as universal.. as in - Gay = homosexual female and male

... is it?



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Quote: "I wish these bigots would just drop down dead"

Quote: "If you are not in favor of gay marriage i consider you sub-human"


Nice. I see why your so proud.

Have you ever seen a "hetero pride" parade? If you did, would you be offended? If so, why? Why is a person who believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman wrong? I'm not talking about haters or people who are opposed to same sex marriage, but just people who don't think its right. What makes their belief wrong and another right?
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 01:33
... would you be offended if we made a "i dont like heterosexual marriages and they shouldnt be allowed" parade was made?



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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 01:42
You seem to be very defensive. My questions were only questions to understand peoples thinking. Just because I don't believe in gay marriage and could never consider it doesn't mean that I would waste time marching to stop it from happening. I have much more important things to do, but I'm curious about peoples thinking here. No offense to anyone or any way of life intended.
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 01:55 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2013 02:01
Quote: "Nice. I see why your so proud. "


You're* And I'm sure the girl I'm seeing would protest this

Quote: "Have you ever seen a "hetero pride" parade? If you did, would you be offended? If so, why? Why is a person who believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman wrong? I'm not talking about haters or people who are opposed to same sex marriage, but just people who don't think its right. What makes their belief wrong and another right?"


I probably shouldn't attempt a reply at this time of night, but here goes. Lets first examine marriage, its a phenomena that transcends both culture and religion, its as much a part of life as friendship, and arguably part of our biology. You saying that homosexuals shouldn't be able to marry simple because you "don't think its right" despite having no real reason basically comes down to, for no rational reason, i want some people, who in no way effect me, to be less happy than they could be in life.

If you don't like the idea of gay marriage, its you who has the problem, not them...

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Quote: "Just because I don't believe in gay marriage"


The problem here comes back to the point Quik made, I could just as easily and with the same level of justification claim that "I don't like heterosexual marriage and think it should be ban!"


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Quote: "You saying that homosexuals shouldn't be able to marry simple because you "don't think its right" despite having no real reason basically comes down to, for no rational reason,"


Was this a reply to me? If so, where and when did I say anything like that?
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 02:05 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2013 02:17
Quote: "Was this a reply to me? If so, where and when did I say anything like that?"


Yes it was a reply to you, here:


Quote: "I don't believe in gay marriage"


Whilst its true you also say it isn't a big deal for you, you still claim you don't believe in it, which to me would suggest that given an opportunity where its legality falls upon your decision without consequences for either side, you would choose for it to remain illegal.

I pose the question to you, do you also dislike the idea of gay people having friends?

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Upon rereading your posts it seems as if I've misunderstood your position, please don't take offence from my comments, and if you did, i am sincerely sorry.


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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 02:09 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2013 02:17
Quote: "Have you ever seen a "hetero pride" parade? If you did, would you be offended? If so, why? Why is a person who believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman wrong? I'm not talking about haters or people who are opposed to same sex marriage, but just people who don't think its right. What makes their belief wrong and another right? "


If heterosexuals needed to defend their rights, then I wouldn't find it a problem, otherwise it would just seem to be an attempt to snub gay pride parades or an attempt to belittle them, I can see no other reasons as to why somebody may wish to start one. The whole point of gay pride is to encourage support for gay rights, essentially it's a form of protest. They wouldn't be the first civil rights movement to use parades and it seems to have worked for others, so it seems natural to try the same. It's a peaceful way of standing up for their rights. I am sure once they are accepted by society, they'll move on because their purpose will have been exhausted.

As a heterosexual I feel in no way persecuted in the society I live and nobody will be bothered in knowing that I like people of the opposite gender (except the opposite gender perhaps, they'll prolly run a mile ) and as a heterosexual I have the rights I need. I don't feel the need to hide my sexuality in order to be treated fairly or with respect.

Personally, if a person disagrees that homosexuality is right, I don't have a problem so long as they're not hurting the rights of homosexuals (it fits in with my general philosophy of, "you're welcome to believe what you like so long as it's not hurting anybody), that belief doesn't have to change how you treat people and I know people exactly like that (who disagree with homosexuality, but make no move to prevent it in others or to treat them any differently).

You say, "what makes their belief wrong and another right?" and I think it's a good point, many laws and governments suggest homosexuality is wrong, the problem is that they shouldn't be able to decide that, because at the end of the day, all it'll affect is the parties involved. A heterosexual need not be affected just as a person who believes it's wrong to eat pork is not affected by my love of bacon. If I was denied my right to eat bacon, I am sure I would be marching in a bacon pride parade.

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my views on gay marriage are... essentially the same rules as we have in sweden...

Marriage is still a religious thing, thus - in my opinion, it should be up to the church in question to decide - furthermore, in sweden its 100% up to the priest to decide - a priest can refuse to marry a gay couple, and i think that is perfectly fine.



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Quote: "Marriage is still a religious thing, thus - in my opinion, it should be up to the church in question to decide - furthermore, in sweden its 100% up to the priest to decide - a priest can refuse to marry a gay couple, and i think that is perfectly fine."


The problem is in most countries, marriage comes with certain legal rights too. There have been several high-profile cases of people being unable to stay with their partners as they died due to them not being technically married - this is mental and it needs to stop. If marriage were purely a religious thing then fine, I could agree with you - but until it is, we have to fight as hard as we can to give everyone the right to marry if we ever want to claim any decency.

Quote: "I'm not talking about haters or people who are opposed to same sex marriage, but just people who don't think its right. What makes their belief wrong and another right? "

Sorry to pick up on this, but it doesn't matter who's wrong or right. Opinions and beliefs don't matter when human rights come down to it - rights are rights and therefore not up for debate, or vote.

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aand in sweden you can get married without a church.



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Yeah you can in Britain too, but for some reason same-sex marriage is still not allowed - they have to get 'civil partnerships' which is bizarre.

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Hm - not 100% sure, but faairly sure it is allowed in sweden..

anyway - my views on it is that if it's within a church, then it should be the priest / church that decides, not state

outside of church it really should be allowed though, it really really should



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What's the problem with Civil Partnerships?


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Quote: " Opinions and beliefs don't matter when human rights come down to it - rights are rights and therefore not up for debate, or vote."


Marraige is not a right, but an institution. No one has the right to get married, straight or gay. (forgive me if those are not proper terms) We have a right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, of which marraige may fall under the last right if that's what makes us happy, though that would be obscure and indirect at best.

I think there may be some confusion between marital rights and a "right to marry". Whatever the case may be, marraige certainly doesn't fall under the "human rights" umbrella. Let's not dramatize the issue.
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They don't provide all the same legal bonuses - mainly medical and money based. Also, they simply aren't the same thing as a marriage which makes them unequal on principle.

Quote: "I think there may be some confusion between marital rights and a "right to marry". Whatever the case may be, marraige certainly doesn't fall under the "human rights" umbrella. Let's not dramatize the issue. "


I think that, were it you who were being denied something that the majority of your peers had a free right too, you would not consider it dramatizing the issue. In fact in courts, at least in the united states, people do have a 'right to marriage', the first instance of this dating back to the 1800s.

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Quote: "I think that, were it you who were being denied something that the majority of your peers had a free right too, you would not consider it dramatizing the issue."



thats not the point - it is dramatizing the issue to call it a human right.. you know - like access to food and shelter



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Quote: "If I was denied my right to eat bacon, I am sure I would be marching in a bacon pride parade. "


Right beside you brother.

When I asked the question about the "straight" parade, I wanted to see if anyone would respond with a "live and let live" attitude and you did. Refreshing as that is, it hasn't been my experience and the same happened here. Normally when I'm asked about or happen to express my thinking on the subject, I'm dismissed or attacked as a bigot and a homophobe. I'm afraid that I've found the least tollerant people to be the ones who fight for tolerance of thier own ideas.

As for EA, it seems like a foolish business decision, as would be any taking sides that are so hotly contested, but who knows. It may work out for them.

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A lot of the antagonism towards Gay groups is a result of their own bigotry. Working in the arts I have met many and I used to perform in nightclubs, including a couple of Gay ones.

"All straights are Gay, they just dont know it yet"
"We have an extra part to our brain,it's a proven scientific fact, this makes us superior" (my favourite)

There are many gender specific quirks they seem to love flaunting, some are not so outgoing and it tends to be mostly the raging ones that voice these opinions though I believe most feel this way. It might just be over compensating for oppression as they see it.

I have met quite a few you would never guess were Gay and these tend to have more reasonable attitudes towards 'straight' people, but it's (as always) the louder voices that form opinion.
I do believe that rights should be equal in partnerships and as it's a contract then it could be written as such even without 'marriage', I do understand the financial situation too as married couples have different Tax rates from single people and maybe this should be addressed. albeit these tax reductions are in place as precursor for raising family.
But if these parades are to change general opinion towards Gay stereotypes then I think they defeat the purpose in many ways as it tends to be a posing turnout.

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Quote: "Normally when I'm asked about or happen to express my thinking on the subject, I'm dismissed or attacked as a bigot and a homophobe. I'm afraid that I've found the least tollerant people to be the ones who fight for tolerance of thier own ideas."

I have never understood this viewpoint - as if we're supposed to be tolerant of intolerance, and a lack of tolerance for someone's bigoted belief is just as bad? If someone came to me and said hey, yeah, no offense to them or anything, I wouldn't campaign against it but you know, I don't believe interracial marriage should be allowed, I would totally tell them they're a bigot. Because they are. Maybe not a particularly harmful one, but passiveness is no excuse of bigotry.

Edit: Let me expand a bit - you obviously have a right to believe whatever you want. No one can take that away and I will fight for your right to say and believe whatever you want. But I don't have to respect what you believe, if what you believe is terrible.

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Quote: "I'm afraid that I've found the least tollerant people to be the ones who fight for tolerance of thier own ideas."


How true that seems to be in some cases. What can you do...

Quote: "Normally when I'm asked about or happen to express my thinking on the subject, I'm dismissed or attacked as a bigot and a homophobe. I'm afraid that I've found the least tollerant people to be the ones who fight for tolerance of thier own ideas."


Those of us that know you know exactly what kind of person you are so no worries there. Your character is not in question in our books.

Quote: "As for EA, it seems like a foolish business decision"


It might be, or maybe like other businesses they felt it was time to outline where they stand on the issue. They are not the only business to do this.


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Quote: "It might be, or maybe like other businesses they felt it was time to outline where they stand on the issue. They are not the only business to do this."

Unless EA are exclusively a Gay business with all Gay employees (illegal as much as refusing to employ minorities,ageism etc)then they should not be taking part in events which have nothing to do with them as a business, truly to me, it smacks of mere publicity.

I do get it that as a business they may merely be saying "Our company will not be bigoted", but unless these same companies show the same fervour towards disabled and ethnic groups, turning up at these events as well, then it has no sincerity for me.

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Quote: "I do get it that as a business they may merely be saying "Our company will not be bigoted", but unless these same companies show the same fervour towards disabled and ethnic groups, turning up at these events as well, then it has no impact for me."


I can understand that. Personally it makes no difference to me what EA or any other business decide to do with regards to this issue. It could be for publicity, or other reasons. I do not work for them and therefore do not attempt to know what is the reason(s). I do not spend my time worrying about things like this because there are more pressing important things to worry about (like helping Mrs. Fox bake).


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Quote: "I do not spend my time worrying about things like this because there are more pressing important things to worry about (like helping Mrs. Fox bake)."

I'll have some of that

Blueberry muffins?

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No problem. We have your mailing address. Expect an "air-drop" soon.

Quote: "Blueberry muffins?"


Blueberry muffins, cookies, and a cake. Now her and our daughter are making home made pizzas.


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Quote: "as if we're supposed to be tolerant of intolerance, and a lack of tolerance for someone's bigoted belief is just as bad?"

Again, not sure where you got the idea that I'm against same sex marraige or homosexuallity, but yours is normally the attitude I get when I explain that It's not for me and I don't think it's proper. I've never even hinted that it shouldn't be allowed. I believe that everyone should be able to do whatever they want, until they infringe upon the rights or others (namely me). I default to freedom first. I fought for freedom for myself and others, but if I dare to have an opinion about homosexuality, I'm a bigoted jerk.

In my life experience (57 years worth) homosexuals are about the most intollerant and self-centered people I've ever known. I don't pretend to know why or even care. It's just the way it is.

Now what's this about blueberry muffins?
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so - if you are homosexual, aka - you like someone of your own sex... you are... intollerant? and self centered?


hm, do tell me more about how being interested in your own gender also makes you an idiot!


You.. don't think it mght also have something to do with, that still in 2013, people that do like people of their own gender is treated extremely different or even bad in our - so called civilised society?



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Quote: "I believe that everyone should be able to do whatever they want, until they infringe upon the rights or others (namely me). I default to freedom first. I fought for freedom for myself and others, but if I dare to have an opinion about homosexuality, I'm a bigoted jerk."


There are many of us that fought for the freedoms enjoyed today; if we had not, then I daresay this topic would be moot.

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Cathy says she has your "package" ready.


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Quote: "so - if you are homosexual, aka - you like someone of your own sex... you are... intollerant? and self centered?"


OK, I'm not sure my posts are even being read anymore, nevermind understood so I'm going to bow out. I don't know your language.

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There's certainly more restraint here than most places I've seen the gay marriage debate crop up, but can I just play forum speaker for a second and point out that xplosys seems to be fighting a battle on his own here so let's not all gang up on him. There were four or five people having a running debate with him at once on the last page.

This is the sort of subject where anonymity on the internet really helps, because unfortunately people with controversial views are often scared to express them in the real world. That doesn't help anyone. I think we have to tolerate intolerance in that respect, otherwise we never deal with it. What good does it do to shout down anyone who opposes gay marriage and tell them they are an immoral human being? People change their opinions, but demonizing them will only re-enforce their stance. If someone tells me I'm a vile human being, it doesn't exactly encourage me to join their side.

I am 100% in support of gay marriage. I really don't see the need for a distinction between heterosexual and homosexual marriage. It seems like an artificial complication, and the world is complicated enough as it is.
I don't follow this argument that anti-gay-marriage is not anti-gay, can someone explain to me how that works?

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 05:38
I find it odd that a thread on this topic must be closed....very odd indeed. But, here we have it.

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Flame

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2013 21:32
It's amazing how many threads I see that start of fine and ends in bickering...

... and somebody said in another thread

Quote: "Surely the forums would be a much happier and more productive place if its members had a say in what is acceptable and what is not, behaviour-wise?"


Can you imagine!

I reject your reality and substitute my own...

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