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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 10:22 Edited at: 16th Aug 2013 10:24


Internet freedom. Thanks to public rebellion, corporations hoping to lock up and monopolize the internet failed in Congress last year to pass their repressive “Stop Online Piracy Act.” However, they’ve slipped SOPA’s most pernicious provisions into TPP. Corporate-created content, for example, would be given copyright protection for a stunning 120 years!

The deal would also transform internet service providers into a private, Big Brother police force, empowered to monitor our “user activity,” arbitrarily take down our content, and cut off our access to the internet.

To top that off, consumers could be assessed mandatory fines for non-commercial, small-scale copying—like sending your mom a recipe you got off of a paid site.

Jobs. US corporations would get special foreign-investor protections to limit the cost and risk of relocating their factories to low-wage nations that sign onto this agreement. For example, an American corporation thinking about moving a factory would know it is guaranteed a sweetheart deal if it exports to a TPP nation like Vietnam. The corporation could skirt Vietnam’s laws and demand compensation at an international tribunal for any government policy or action (such as a hike in the minimum wage) that undermined its “expected” profits. These guarantees would be strong incentives for corporate chieftains to export even more of our middle-class jobs.

Food safety. Any of our government’s food safety regulations (on pesticide levels, bacterial contamination, fecal exposure, toxic additives, GMOs, non-edible fillers, etc.) that are stricter than “international standards,” as most are, could be ruled as “illegal trade barriers.” Then our government would have to revise our consumer protections to comply with the weaker global standards. Also, our government could no longer ban meat imports that don’t meet our safe-to-eat laws, as long as the exporting nation simply claims that its inspection system is “equivalent” to ours. In addition, food labeling laws we rely on (organic, country-of-origin, animal-welfare approved, GMO-free, etc.) would also be subject to challenge as trade barriers.

Fracking. Our Department of Energy would lose its authority to regulate exports of natural gas to any TPP nation. This would create an explosion of the destructive fracking process across our land, for both foreign and US corporations could export fracked gas from America to member nations without any DOE review of the environmental and economic impacts on local communities—or on our national interests. It also means that most of the gas produced by this violently polluting process will not go to us, but to foreign users, which will raise our consumer prices and cut manufacturing growth.

Drug prices. Big Pharma would be given more years of monopoly pricing on each of their patents and be empowered to block distribution of cheaper generic drugs. Besides artificially keeping everyone’s prices high, this would be a death sentence to many people suffering from cancer, HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and other treatable diseases in impoverished lands. The deal would also restrict the rights of our government to negotiate with drug giants to get lower consumer prices with bulk purchases, as Medicare and Medicaid do in the US.

Banksters. Wall Street and the financial giants in other TPP countries would make out like bandits: The deal explicitly prohibits transaction taxes (such as the proposed Robin Hood Tax here) that would shut down super-rich speculators who have repeatedly triggered financial crises and economic crashes around the world; it restricts “firewall” reforms that separate consumer banking from risky investment banking (thus prohibiting Congress from reinstating the much needed Glass-Steagall firewall in our country); it could roll back reforms that governments adopted to fix the extreme bank-deregulation regimen that caused Wall Street’s 2007 crash; and it provides a backdoor escape from national rules that would limit the size of “too-big-to-fail” behemoths. These extreme provisions would be enforceable by the banks themselves—TPP empowers them to force governments either to repeal reform laws or to compensate banks with taxpayer money for “losses” they say are caused by reforms.

Public services. TPP rules would limit how governments regulate such public services as utilities, transportation, and education, including restricting policies meant to ensure broad or universal access to those essential needs. One especially insidious rule says that member countries must open their service sectors to private competitors, which would allow the corporate provider to cherry pick the profitable customers and sink the public service. Also, corporations from any TPP nation must be allowed to bid on contracts to provide public services in the US on the same terms as American corporations.

THIS IS VERY REAL, AND IT IS BEING HIDDEN FROM YOU BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW AWFUL IT IS AND WANT TO PASS IT WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING.

OBAMA WANTS TO FAST-TRACK IT THROUGH HOUSE AND CONGRESS IN OCTOBER WITH NO MEDIA COVERAGE WHATSOEVER.




ADDITIONAL LINKS:

Here is a letter from a group of one hundred and two economists (from Tufts University) to Trade Ministers involved in the talk begging them to change the policy that would allow corporations to sue nations, because they fear it would make those nations unable to control thier own economies and lead to widespread financial disaster. (http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/policy_research/TPPAletter.html)

CNBC(http://www.cnbc.com/id/100841981)

Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership)

Electronic Frontier Foundation (https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp)

GOOGLE : Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement

Alan Grayson (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/alan-grayson-trans-pacific-partnership_n_3456167.html)

RT (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/alan-grayson-trans-pacific-partnership_n_3456167.html)

Facebook group: (https://www.facebook.com/TPPTuesdaysMarchOnMedia)

HuffPo (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/26/stephen-harper-tpp-canada_n_3492531.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&fb_source=message)

(http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_27805.cfm)

(http://occupytppa.wordpress.com/)

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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 14:06
So we UK users can just ignore this then.......

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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 14:59
God bless USA!



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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 19:44
Take off the tinfoil hat, this really isn't a big deal. Plus this is also a political thread and goes against the AUP.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 20:26
Thank God I live in Europe.

If this is legit, why do people keep voting these sorts of guys in that levy this stuff?
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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 20:30
Quote: "Plus this is also a political thread and goes against the AUP."


Indeed! Aww, silly politic threads...



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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 20:42
They allowed the SOPA act thread. I think if it endangers the internet it should be allowed.
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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 23:12 Edited at: 16th Aug 2013 23:26
Danger? Where? Nah, that is a flying thread locker.



P.S. Hey. That's how the majority of political discussions on the Internet are looks like.



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Posted: 16th Aug 2013 23:58 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 00:20
If you don't understand how this affects you, then your loss I guess. But "Oh, it's in America, it doesn't affect us." and "I have nothing to hide, why should I care?" are two of the most ignorant and naive viewpoints I have ever heard. America has an incredible influence over just about every country on the planet, most of all the UK (our politicians take most of what the States says as gospel).

I know you have to take stuff like this with a very large pinch of salt (and not take the sensationalism too seriously), but it's literally happening in front of your eyes and no-one is batting an eyelid while they're being bent over and f***** by their respective governments.

The government has a very very strict control over the media, so it's important that people get the word out like this. Just a trend I've noticed, but most people whom I deem highly intelligent hardly ever read the paper or watch TV - they get their news from select sources on the internet which aren't under strict control.

Just some food for thought.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 00:09 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 00:09
Quote: "Just a trend I've noticed, but most people who I deem highly intelligent hardly ever read the paper or watch TV - they get their news from select sources on the internet which aren't under strict control."


Damn. I need more control over the Internet mass media.


But they can't stop me anyway, tee hee.


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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 00:17 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 00:18
aaaand now i'm officially so tired of mr handy that i'll just ignore him. or something

edit: Too tired to read it all for now, but it does seem somewhat serious



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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 00:19
I might write a userscript for it sometime.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 00:34
Quote: "but it does seem somewhat serious"

It really does, but Internet petitions would not stop multiple countries from that agreement.
Quote: "I might write a userscript for it sometime."

look for toggle link on the right.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 00:41
Thanks Wilderbeast for being the first TGC user acknowledging what the hell is going on on our planet right now.

mrHandy I think understands as well, but he chooses to convey his feelings sarcastically. I think it's amusing.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 00:47
[/quote]It really does, but Internet petitions would not stop multiple countries from that agreement.
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Sitting on ones butt when one is upset about it - does not help at all on any aspect what so ever.[quote]It really does, but Internet petitions would not stop multiple countries from that agreement.

[quote]mrHandy I think understands as well, but he chooses to convey his feelings sarcastically. I think it's amusing. "


I'm not a big fan of "sarcastic trolling" to begin with



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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 01:27 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 01:34
Breathtaking news! Sign online petition and everything will be fine! Sign "stop cold war", "don't spy on us" and more! Call 8-icanhaspower right now and sign "stop helping Bashar" for free!



Talking seriously I would not say anything about USA politics, because it will violate AUP, no matter good or bad. And I am glad that AUP keeping me in good mood, because politics always case anger and frustration, as there is no 100% satisfied citizens in the world (sorry if there is).

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 01:40 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 01:47
Quote: "Take off the tinfoil hat, this really isn't a big deal."

I don't understand this kind of attitude. Can you not tell the difference between a genuine threat to personal freedom, and the crackpot theories of a lunatic? Corporations pushing restrictive laws through the senate is hardly science fiction.

Quote: "Sign online petition and everything will be fine! Sign "stop cold war", "don't spy on us" and more! Call 8-icanhaspower right now and sign "stop helping Bashar" for free!"

Online petitions are very powerful because they let politicians know what people are aware of, and these issues could become election issues. I am subscribed to change.org and there's a lot of misguided crap that comes through my letterbox, but I'm okay with that if it means everyone gets wider access to democracy. I'm sure that only a small minority actually care about what they are signing, but it's still a powerful message, it would take a brave politician to call the bluff of tens of thousands of petitioners.



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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 01:54 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 01:57
Sometimes I don't even know why I bother making threads like these. It seems like the majority of people on TGC would rather remain completely ignorant and unaware of stuff like this (excluding the few who have responded properly). Perhaps that's a good thing, I don't know.

I'm a little disappointed, that's all.

Quote: "Take off the tinfoil hat, this really isn't a big deal. Plus this is also a political thread and goes against the AUP."


I'm sorry, what's that? You'll have to speak louder, for I cannot hear you over the sound of every major corporation monopolising the internet and ripping our freedom from us.

Quote: "So we UK users can just ignore this then......."


Quote: "Thank God I live in Europe."


You seem to be under the misconception you are not affected because you do not live in the US.

Did you even read the first sentence I posted?

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TheComet, I appreciate your efforts.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 02:31 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 02:33
Quote: "It seems like the majority of people on TGC would rather remain completely ignorant and unaware of stuff like this (excluding the few who have responded properly)."


I'd say that we are aware of this, we have our opinions on it.

It is however a political thread and we know its against the AUP so I assume that is the reason why replies have been... substandart.

Would you feel better if we'd all be outraged about this? What would it solve? How would it make a difference, except maybe that you get the feedback from it you prefer.
I do have political views about these things, (I'm against it of course...its just common sense) however, this is not the place to discuss it. I mean... we make videogames here. If we'd allow one political thread, even one where I doubt anyone would be in favor of the subject as this, we'd have to allow others and sooner or later this would end up in one big flame war that rallies us up against each other. Just look at the US during their fantasy elections. We have this rule so this remains "neutral ground":

This is also not the only very outrageous thing going on right now we are more or less powerless about.

Quote: "I don't understand this kind of attitude"


If you question political things on the internet or scratch the surface of whats going on around you, somebody will label you a conspiracy theory nutbar. Thats how this rolls.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 02:33
Just clarifying my response, I said what I said as I doubt there is much we can do about it here in the UK, but happy to see otherwise

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Quote: "Just a trend I've noticed, but most people whom I deem highly intelligent hardly ever read the paper or watch TV - they get their news from select sources on the internet which aren't under strict control."


You only need to be vaguely intelligent to do this. Our local newspaper is so full of itself and biased that it could almost be concidered satire.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 03:32
Quote: "Fracking. Our Department of Energy would lose its authority to regulate exports of natural gas to any TPP nation. This would create an explosion of the destructive fracking process across our land,"


I'm ok with that. My family has a ton of land that's basically worthless for anything other than fracking. And since the gas companies are willing to pay us for it, we let them.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 10:42
Quote: "You only need to be vaguely intelligent to do this. Our local newspaper is so full of itself and biased that it could almost be concidered satire."

I'm not talking about the local paper, I'm talking about widely-respected national newspapers.

I don't think I watched any TV in Germany, so I'm not sure what it's like there, but some of the news outlets in the US (especially Fox) are atrocious. The BBC is fairly good, but not even they have been giving much coverage.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 12:04 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 12:06
Quote: "Online petitions are very powerful because they let politicians know what people are aware of"

Classic citizen opinion:
I am smart enough to manage problems in my Country, my government is a bunch of idiots.
That opinion is the same for every Country. But alas, it is very false. No offence, it is classic.

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Quote: "Classic citizen opinion:
I am smart enough to manage problems in my Country, my government is a bunch of idiots.
That opinion is the same for every Country. But alas, it is very false.
"


not quite sure if I agree there.


I do agree on online petitions however - they are indeed quite powerful, from what i've seen



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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 12:07
Quote: "not quite sure if I agree there."

So Quik is smart enough to manage problems in Equestria, his government is a bunch of idiots. Vote Quik for president!

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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 12:25
That's not the thing, I said I don't think I agree that most people think they are smart enough.

But i'd love to dethrone Princess Celestia and take over Equestria!



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Posted: 17th Aug 2013 14:57 Edited at: 17th Aug 2013 15:05
Quote: "That's not the thing, I said I don't think I agree that most people think they are smart enough."

Not all of course! Some just don't care. And to firm my point - for example, everybody knows a good way to make foodmakers produce 100% natural food, but we still eat chemical crap.
Quote: "But i'd love to dethrone Princess Celestia and take over Equestria!"

Sorry, vote Quik for king of Equestria

P.S. Barak Obama is adorable guy, he has a facial expression almost for everything!

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