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Geek Culture / ColdFusion anyone?

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Renegade
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Posted: 29th Nov 2003 11:24
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I am wondering if there is anyone here that
use CF?

ColdFusion(CF) is a server-side programming that use tags
like HTML (the full name is ColdFusion Markup Language - CFML)
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spooky
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Posted: 29th Nov 2003 14:11
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Wahay, someone that has actually heard of coldfusion!

My work programming language is coldfusion and have used it for last 4 years or so. It is a very powerful (expensive) language but PHP is fast catching up to it (and is free!).

Some sites that I have written a fair chunk of in coldfusion are:

http://www.wizziwiz.co.uk/ = Database of attractions, theme parks,etc for kids. Bit out of date now.

http://www.accommodationline.com/ = Full hotel booking website with credit card taking and realtime hotel booking.

My main coldfusion product is a full accounting system for medium sized companies for doing sales, purchasing, inventory, assets, payroll, time cards. I also support all the staff that use this product.


Boo!
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Richard Davey
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Posted: 29th Nov 2003 14:14
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Ick Coldfusion.. there's nothing it can do that PHP can't

Cheers,

Rich

"It's easy to be mean when death equals a high score screen."
"You can take your Quake and go away, I'd rather play Bubble Bobble any day."
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Renegade
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Posted: 29th Nov 2003 14:55
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All the server-side programming can to the same (CF, PHP, ASP, JSP etc)
the only difference is the syntex and money.
I glad that I found someone that use CF because I have a few questions:
1. Can you know a good free server that support CF?
2. What database do you use?
3. How did you learnd CF?
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Shock
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Posted: 29th Nov 2003 15:21
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i wouldn't recommend CF to anyone,

it's rarely supported by hosts
the hosts that do support CF are normally very expensive

PHP is all you need, it's supported on the majority of hosts out there, it's blazing fast, it's easy (with c style syntax, and there's literally a command for everything lol, very rare that you have to make your own function to do something).

ASP (VBScript) is a good language aswell, pretty easy and pretty fast, and is supported by quite alot of hosts. And since it;s microsoft, and it comes with windows, if you ever wanted to test out a script you can just add the IIS windows component, and run it locally The ASP debugger is VERY good, alot better than any other iv;e seen out there, it's debugger is alot better than PHP's debugger.

Still, i would recommend PHP for the ease of use, it's speed, and it's fast development times.

Quote: "1. Can you know a good free server that support CF?"


i only know of one: http://www.cfm-resources.com/
and taking a quick look, it seems theyve changed, alot.
they now offer paid hosting, and in order to signup for free hosting you have to be non-profit.


Sticking feathers up your butt doesn't make you a chicken.
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spooky
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Posted: 29th Nov 2003 17:38
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Have to agree with everyone here, don't bother learning Coldfusion. It is far too expensive and hosting it is far too expensive. Luckily we have our own dedicateed servers and stuff as much as we like on it. We host a fair few client coldfusion websites but have to charge about 50 quid a month just to make a small profit!

Ignore my comments about PHP. PHP has far better commands and does anything Coldfusion does, better and a hell of a lot faster.

Syntax for coldfusion however is a lot easier to understand and coldfusion is very good for multiple server websites (something you will never use!)

Given the choice now I would dump Coldfusion and use PHP. If you have any experience of Javascript you will pick it up quickly.


Boo!
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Renegade
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Posted: 29th Nov 2003 18:21 Edited at: 29th Nov 2003 18:22
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At the begining I learned ASP but I had some problem with the connecntion to the database so I started to learn PHP and while I
learned PHP I found out about CF so I start to see and learn about it.
But now I have no idea what to learn PHP or CF.

BTW
I started with CF because I cant program for hour for everything
and I read that in CF you can write scripts a lot faster then in PHP.
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Richard Davey
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Quote: "All the server-side programming can to the same"


Not true, there is loads and loads that PHP can do natively that ASP or CF cannot. There is very very little that ASP can do natively that PHP can't. CF I haven't touched for years so I'm not sure how that sits in the scale of things, probably somewhere in the middle.

Connecting to a database in ASP is easy, we've built stacks and stacks of ASP sites over the years (have a look at http://www.aardman.com - it's one of ours). It's just personally (and for TGC) I prefer and will always use PHP.

Renegade - there is page after page of PHP tutorials on the web, more than you could probably ever read (or need!) so it's the best and fastest language to get started with. If you want help with PHP, just post it here.

Cheers,

Rich

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Renegade
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Posted: 30th Nov 2003 14:20 Edited at: 30th Nov 2003 14:22
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My 2 main problems are that in PHP and ASP it takes a lot of time
to write an application and I unfortunly am not a patience man in programming
so I cant build a forum in a few months so
1. Is it takes a lot of time to develope forum or something?
and my other problem is security I saw too many PHP sites hacked so
2. Is hard to secure the site?
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