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heartbone
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Time to close the trap door.

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 4th Dec 2003 19:30
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Interesting...


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Megaton Cat
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um...huh.
what? /:

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Pincho Paxton
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I always knew what FAT was. Especially since one of my Hard-drives got a corrupted FAT file, and couldn't find my files anymore.

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heartbone
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Big question. Would the CD-R ISO formats be considered a derivitave of FAT and claimed by M$?

25¢ per disc is a lot considering I've gotten them blank for under 10¢ per disc.

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Ian T
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Posted: 4th Dec 2003 20:18
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Evil.

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ReD_eYe
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Posted: 4th Dec 2003 21:51 Edited at: 4th Dec 2003 21:52
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can someone summarize whats on that page? i just don't want to have to read the whole thing
also i don't understand most of it


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Chris K
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Posted: 4th Dec 2003 22:30
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Mouse summarized it pretty well.

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Ian T
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Pure evil .

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Posted: 4th Dec 2003 23:58
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I think the day that the Onion story of M$ claiming ownership of "1's" and "0's" is not far off!

now, where did I leave the keys to my spaceship...

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Mattman
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 00:29
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lol, mind if I sit in the back CattleRustler?

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Chris K
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 00:30
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Take Raven with you please.


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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 00:52
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yeah, mattman can come and I think mouse or megaton wanted in a while back from another thread - all are welcome - except raven! We'd get no sleep!



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Megaton Cat
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Quote: "can someone summarize whats on that page? i just don't want to have to read the whole thing
also i don't understand most of it
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I'm with stupid >
I'm too lazy to actually read it and if i tried i probably wouldnt understand it either...
thats what happens with todays society of teens of 2-min attention spams like me....

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Mattman
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actually, that was me too, during the other M$ thing

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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 05:21
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Quote: "2-min attention spams like me"


Lol, my attention spam is longer than 2 minutes...


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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 07:59 Edited at: 5th Dec 2003 08:00
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Basically Microsoft is going to start charging companies to use the FAT file system which has been around for decades. You can compare it to the person who invented the wheel claiming royalties everytime someone else manufactures a wheel. Quite ludicrous really.

Or at least that's what I thought they were going on about, I could be way off though.


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heartbone
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Exeat that's my take on it too.

If they were going to enforce the patent they shouild have done it before so many companies began to depend on the format. Of course then the companies would have created another format wouldn't they? So I guess it made good business sense for M$ to bide the time.

I'm sure that the $250,000 won't be too much for SONY, Maxell, FUJI, TDK or Imation. The price of blanks discs shouldn't go up too much f at all. But for the smaller players and startups it is a significant burden.

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Ian T
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 10:33
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Sort of like what SCO is pulling, except Microsoft has a bit more standing and they're asking for less exorbitant fees. Still ridiculous though.

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the_winch
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 13:16
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I would think there are enough people that prepared to save the 25p and format media themselves that it would be available unformated or pay the money so you don't have to bother. I would be more worried about having to pay more for the next device you buy that uses fat.

I wounder if there are patents in the Uk or if we will be unaffected.

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Dr OcCuLt
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 17:42
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well were to start. this is not about you paying M$ .25c ever time you buy a disc or CD.

1) disc and most media files has normel liner memorys i.e. it starts some were in the memorys and after X bites it ends. FAT meens that the data is dot about the memory and the FAT system go`s and finds it.

2) this must be a new becos Patents can`t last over 20 years after that you do`t have to pay a penne for uesing the Patent so you can ues the old 1976 FAT system.

this just a way M$ is try to ues to make money and not one of m$ is going to kill computing things. so if you pay M$ for this you are to bum to make you own memory system or to lasy to ues the normel liner one.

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Ian T
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 19:07
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Actually, patents last 75 years before expiring , right?

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Rwilson
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 20:13 Edited at: 5th Dec 2003 20:13
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I beleive that it is something along the lines of 75 years after the death of the primary creators of a patented object. Not to mention the fact that the patent can be extended via large sums o' money.

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Dr OcCuLt
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 22:18
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no thats copyright that lasts 75 years. a patent last from 12-20 years.
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ReD_eYe
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 22:41
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so if i could trace my family back to the caveman who invented the wheel, with proof, do ya reckon i could claim royalties on all the wheels everywhere?


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Rob K
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Posted: 5th Dec 2003 23:36
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The CD storage format (ECMA-130) is an open standard now but was originally developed by Philips.


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heartbone
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Good to nkow that it's an open standard. I hope that means that CDs and Linux are safe.

I'd bet that on the list of patents cited, there are only one or two that directly pertain to the licensing scheme.

I'd also wager that the patent office didn't do a proper search for prior art.

It was widely rumoured that M$ routinely ripped many ideas from
other dosses while creating it's disk operating system including CP/M, Atari DOS and Apple DOS.

Still the big guys will pay because if it's bogus it'd be like money in the bank.

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Ian T
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Micro$ trying to own CDs would be ridiculous, no way they'd win it, but it's good to know it's not something they have rights to anyways.

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Mentor
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Posted: 6th Dec 2003 21:19
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FATs (file allocation tables) where used in disk and tape file systems WAY before Billy boy crawled from under his rock, even the Sinclair microdrives (endless tapes) used a form of allocation table to tell the system if the next bit of tape was empty or held data, also notice the conditions at the bottom of the page, they reserve the right to alter any contract they have with users as they see fit , only a twice inbred retard would sign a contract with a clause like that in it , "just pay this $2,000,000 surcharge we added last night....or we sue for breach "

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Pincho Paxton
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Lol! If Microsoft are copyrighting FAT then Meat Loaf is screwed! They might claim it back from people by forcing them to have Lyposuction.

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