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Chris Tate
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Posted: 14th Dec 2017 03:24
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This is a perspective from usage of the purchased vanilla installation of the compiler (not the open source one). I have not yet migrated to DBPro 9Ex because of having near completed my DBP projects.

It appears to me that this function limit error is hardware dependant.

On my old system, with about 2500 functions, it would crash. Lots of functions were created for setting and getting values via function pointer.

The following code generates a variable amount of empty functions. On my old system, I would get the error during linking of about 2,500 functions. My new system managed to compile 8,000 with no problem.



A number of variables such as the number of call stacks per function or sub routine could also cause some kind of memory leak in the compiler, or something along those lines.

You may have already tried this a million times, but to be sure, it might be worth monitoring Compile.exe during the compilation of your project in its current state as it is about to silent crash using a performance monitor and debugger on seperate machines to see any differences and signs of memory leaks or something else which could cause it to shut down prematurely without any error dialog.

To reiterate, I've seen this limit occur consistently on one machine, but not another; using the original version of the language.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2017 14:57
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Rudolpho,

Just reporting an oddity with your version which has cropped up in another thread. The following simple code doesn't display anything unless an extra sync is added:



I'm using the fulldesktop screen mode option in case that's relevant.
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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 13:06 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 13:08
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New compiler build available
Click here to download it.

This build fixes the issue CumQuaT was describing, where very large amounts of interconnected source code would cause a stack overflow in the compiler.
The reason for this was that the compiler would use recursion to compile adjacent tokens in blocks. I'm not sure why this was ever done as iteration works perfectly fine for what was done, without the added wasted memory (and stack overflows when compiling complex enough code).

Chris Tate wrote: "To reiterate, I've seen this limit occur consistently on one machine, but not another; using the original version of the language."

This may be because the default stack size is set higher on one machine than the other. It should be 1MB by default on more recent versions of Windows.
Take note that the issue was not caused by functions alone, but also labels, variables, user types and data blocks.

@Green Gandalf: I can confirm that I also get this issue on Windows 10 (1703). As Microsoft decided to remove compatibility with all D3D9-related debugging tools I'm sort of stuck using Windows 7 to troubleshoot, which makes this difficult to pin down. One possible reason could be that newer Windows versions (ie. Windows 10) uses DX to draw everything in the OS. Thus if a program requests manual DX control, it may be that its window will not be drawn unless it flips its display buffer either. However were this the case, this problem shouldn't be specific to DBP9Ex but occur with the official versions too. From what you've shown it seems easy enough to just add the extra sync call, or does this cause more severe issues in other circumstances?


Edit: Also, merry Christmas to those who celebrate it!

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Posted: 25th Dec 2017 06:59
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Quote: "This build fixes the issue CumQuaT was describing"


Fantastic job finding the solution; a notable milestone for the community. As suspected, it really was something to do with memory.

Have a merry christmas!
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Posted: 25th Dec 2017 15:18
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Yes seconded, Merry Christmas Rudolpho and thanks for continuing to work on this, your efforts are really appreciated.

Thanks also for confirming the symptoms I described. I guessed it was a MS W10 "improvement" that was to blame. If there isn't a simple solution it doesn't really matter since the fix is simple as you've noted. It can cause a new user to wonder what on earth is happening though (I'm not new but was also similarly baffled when I tried that simple snippet) - since it isn't immediately clear that anything is actually running - or more importantly what to do about it. I suppose one option is to trigger an automatic sync whenever the command "sync on" is called? I can see that could cause problems sometimes so a better option might be an optional flag for the command so that when the user doesn't want the extra sync they can use the flag - a bit like the optional DoNotGenerateExtraData flag on the load effect command. Just a thought.
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Posted: 25th Jan 2018 04:11 Edited at: 25th Jan 2018 14:06
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Are you still trying to improve this?

Look at this post I made 15 years ago. It's about the speed of various loops.

https://forum.thegamecreators.com/thread/830

It is still true today, FOR/NEXT is the fastest loop

(i use it instead of DO/LOOP for my main loop)

No one from TGS ever commented on why DO/LOOP is slower than a FOR/NEXT.

some example code (might have to increase the "count" variable if you have a beefy machine)

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Not asking you to fix it or anything, I'm just wondering why.

I mean a DO/LOOP is basically

label:

'code here

goto label:

is it not? with an optional EXIT DO....

I just can't see how that should be slower than a FOR/NEXT where you actually have to do a compare ,too.
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Using ALMOST any command, I get the following error:

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Test 1: Test 1.exe - Entry Point Not Found
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The procedure entry point Direct3DCreate9Ex could not be located in the dynamic link library d3d9.dll.
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OK
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sample code:
//get the crash
sync on
sync rate 0

do
Print str$(timer())
sync
loop

//do not get the crash
sync on
sync rate 0

do
Print "Hello"
sync
loop

Any idea what's going on? I have the 2010 DX installed.

Works fine on standard 1.0761 with Synergy June 2010

It's like the 9Ex compiler (on my machine) doesn't understand anything other than the very simplest of DBP commands....

I made a copy of my install folder, copied over the 9Ex folders as directed, edited the .cfg files to point to the new paths.

But I'm not seeing 9Ex work at all with anything useful.




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Posted: 26th Jan 2018 07:38
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Tried a few more things.

Make 2 copies of my original DBP folder.

Edit the configs in both copies to set the correct new paths.

Both copies compile my projects, run as expected, no errors.

Copy the 9Ex Editor folder into copy 1.

Still runs, no errors.

Copy the 9Ex Compiler folder into copy 1

Same error as before, only the simplest of commands will produce a working EXE. anything else errors out with:

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Test 1: Test 1.exe - Entry Point Not Found
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The procedure entry point Direct3DCreate9Ex could not be located in the dynamic link library d3d9.dll.
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OK
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Any ideas from anyone welcome.
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Posted: 26th Jan 2018 07:47
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Oh, and I'm using Windows XP Home Edition, SP3 if that matters...
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Posted: 26th Jan 2018 07:55
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My limited internet research on this problem seems to tell me that DBP 9Ex will only work on Windows Vista and above if I get that error.



Guess I won't be able to use this.
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Posted: 26th Jan 2018 11:56
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I guess I read the original post wrong to begin with

As the name hints, it has also had it's DirectX version updated from 9.0c to 9Ex, which offers better interoperability with the Windows Desktop Manager on Windows Vista and later (while still working the same as 9.0c on Windows XP)

I took that to mean "Compiler Works on Windows XP"

Any chance of a fork with these enhancements with regular DX9C? Or is that not possible?
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I know this isn't exactly helpful, but man its time to upgrade Windows, at least to 7. XP was great but you can hardly even get it to run properly on current hardware now and it is becoming more vulnerable every year.
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"I know this isn't exactly helpful, but man its time to upgrade Windows, at least to 7. XP was great but you can hardly even get it to run properly on current hardware now and it is becoming more vulnerable every year."

Oh yeah, agreed. The laptop I'm currently working on is 15 years old an not upgradeable. A Whopping 768mb in memory

I'm currently in a foreign land teaching English to kids and adults (also do some C# teaching on the side of that).

When I get back to the States in some months, I get back to my beefy desktop.
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Yesterday I managed to get DX 10 installed on XP using some hacks (dxdiag reports it as DX10), still no joy with 9Ex. But I just had a thought, now that I'm reporting DX10, if I reinstall DX9...will it see I have DX 10 and give me the 9Ex dll.

I'll give that whirl today when I have a bit of time.
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@Zep: The error message would seem to indicate you do in fact not have D3D9Ex installed. I admit I've never tried running this on XP, it is possible that 9Ex is only available for Vista and above. It is possible that this could be worked around by detecting the presence of 9Ex and use the regular Direct3DCreate9 call if not found. At this point there may well be things that require 9Ex built-in though; unfortunately I never expected this to be a problem.
Try to download the latest D3D9 version you can find (should be from the latter part of 2010, I think October). As the files are different depending on your OS I cannot say whether this will work with XP, but it would be worth a try in any case. Downloading DX10 will not help.

About the loop thing, DBP performs internal updates, message pump work etc. for each loop cycle. Not so in a for..next loop however.
The code to do this is basically injected right before your endwhile / loop / repeat command.

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Quote: "About the loop thing, DBP performs internal updates, message pump work etc. for each loop cycle. Not so in a for..next loop however.
The code to do this is basically injected right before your endwhile / loop / repeat command."


Ah, interesting...wonder if I could possibly be hosing myself down the line by using a FOR/NEXT for my main loop.

Could you expound a bit on what gets updated/injected? It is really important stuff?
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Ortu found a nasty memory leak with Make Camera, Delete Camera

When a camera is deleted, memory is leaked.

You can see it in this little snippet:

sync on
sync rate 0
backdrop off 0

make object cube 1, 10

do
make camera 1
delete camera 1
sync
loop


I have no idea if you are still working on this or not Rudolpho. When I get back to the USA in a few months to my beefy machine, I could look at some of this stuff and help.

Is there a fork with your changes?

Though, I'd still appreciate a XP compatible version in the meantime.
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Posted: 8th Mar 2018 18:17 Edited at: 8th Mar 2018 18:19
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Rudolpho,

I've been using your 9Ex version of DBPro almost exclusively recently without significant problems - till yesterday .

There seems to be an issue with animating certain types of skinned mesh. I've attached a simple demo containing a simple crude model of a snake's head. The model animates correctly when I compile this using DBPU77RC7 but not with your 9Ex version. I've included the whole project plus two exe files, one compiled using 9Ex the other using U77RC7. I've no idea how widespread this problem is though. This model has animated correctly with every version since it was created in 2008 - till now .

Any ideas what has gone wrong?

Edit: Sorry!! Forgot zip file. Here it is:

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Zep wrote: "Ortu found a nasty memory leak with Make Camera, Delete Camera

When a camera is deleted, memory is leaked..."

The program generated by the D3D9Ex compiler from your posted code does not appear to leak any memory on my machine. Care to elaborate a bit on how you came to this conclusion?
It isn't impossible that your OS (or D3D runtime) may cache some data structure used by the camera as long as you have plenty of free memory for example, and only reclaim it when it deems such appropriate. Though I don't think that is likely to be the case.


Zep wrote: "I have no idea if you are still working on this or not Rudolpho."

I am quite busy with work and a personal game project at the moment, as well as some home repairs. Work on this project is further hampered by the fact that I have to boot up Windows 7 to even work on it as Microsoft decided to deprecate most D3D9 debugging tools to such an extent that they flat out won't work on later Windows versions.
That said, if you find an issue feel free to drop a post describing it as well as possible (Green Gandalf's post above here with an attached mini project replicating the issue is a great example of something that is very helpful for me to have when addressing bugs) and I will try to get to it whenever I am able.

Zep wrote: "Is there a fork with your changes?"

There is not, this started as a request job by StarWraith 3D Games a couple of years ago and is, for the time being at least, not public source'd. Not that there's anything to hide


@Green Gandalf: Hm, that is indeed curious.
If you add the bounds flag and set it to true (one) at the end of the ROTATE LIMB command it does work as intended for me:

Can you try to manually provide that parameter and set it to zero when using U77RC7 and see if that works?
That flag denotes whether the bounds of the object has to be updated. I haven't had time to properly look through the function that accomplishes that but it is quite possible that it sets some flag that causes the new mesh data to be updated to the GPU and that isn't set by the ROTATE LIMB command itself. If so it may be that this bounds updating was enabled by default in U77RC7. Otherwise something else may be at play here.

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Quote: "The program generated by the D3D9Ex compiler from your posted code does not appear to leak any memory on my machine. Care to elaborate a bit on how you came to this conclusion?"


Turns out it depends on what version of DBProCameraDebug you are using. I switched to the one on github and the leak went away.

Quote: "That said, if you find an issue feel free to drop a post describing it as well as possible"


Wish I could, but can't. As I mentioned before, I am on Win XP and get a D3D9Ex error when I try to run anything.
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Rudolpho,

Thanks for that suggestion. I'll try that tomorrow and report back.
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@Zep: Hm, does that mean you're trying to use DBP9Ex dll's with the 9.0c compiler and other dll's?
That's bound to fail in various ways so that may very well leak memory as a function in my CameraDebug.dll may allocate a structure of say 280 bytes when creating a camera, which is then released via DBProCore.dll which thinks the camera struct is only 260 bytes large. You're also likely to encounter crashes sooner or later if you're mixing the dll's.
For the record I've seen no memory leaks using DBP9Ex's DBProCameraDebug.dll with the rest of the 9Ex runtime.

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Quote: "Can you try to manually provide that parameter and set it to zero when using U77RC7 and see if that works?
That flag denotes whether the bounds of the object has to be updated. I haven't had time to properly look through the function that accomplishes that but it is quite possible that it sets some flag that causes the new mesh data to be updated to the GPU and that isn't set by the ROTATE LIMB command itself. If so it may be that this bounds updating was enabled by default in U77RC7. Otherwise something else may be at play here."


Haven't had a chance to check U77RC7 yet but that flag works for that particular case. However, in another demo, a skinned model provided in the MS DX9 SDK won't animate in one program but does in another which is a bit weird. I'll try to identify the essential difference.
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Quote: "@Zep: Hm, does that mean you're trying to use DBP9Ex dll's with the 9.0c compiler and other dll's?
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No, I'm using the DLLs from git hub in a RC7 updated DB Pro.

The D3D9Ex erros only occur when I try to use your build. I mentioned that before, this is because I am on WIN XP and it doesn't support D3D9Ex.

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True, but then how did you encounter that memory leak? Wrong forum thread?

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Quote: "True, but then how did you encounter that memory leak? Wrong forum thread?
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The DBPRO I originally downloaded was using other DLLs. The Old (or new...who knows, all the DLLs show the same Version #)

When I switched to the DLL on github, that make camera/delete camera leak went away.
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I haven't looked at the dbpro forum for quite a while (I thought dbpro was pretty much dead thanks to the all new shiny stuff tgc are upto these days) and stumbled across this a few days ago and I have to say that this is a fantastic piece of work by Rudolpho, congrats!

The compile time of my project has fallen from about 8-9 minutes to about 60 seconds, which is amazing.

Of course, there's always a problem, and the one I have is that I use IanM's function pointer calls heavily in my code due to lua scripting (so the scripts can call internal functions and you know, actually do stuff), which just causes crashes presumably because the function table has moved or something?

Does anyone know if there's another way to get a pointer to a function other than IanM's utilities please? As I'm guessing, IanM isn't likely to update his utilities again anytime soon, which is a pity as they are brilliant too.

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yes it's really simple. I'll add code here soon.
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Hi everyone!
Find another bug:

I have clear screen ( empty checklist ).Original compiler works fine.

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For whom who have troubles with raycasting using DarkDynamix.
I have unexpectable crashes when getting ray cast hit data or try to change raycast max distance during main loop.
There are no such troubles with original compiler.Anyway there is no much issue - just use the code below
right after setting on your DarkDynamix.


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Hi,I had some problems with DBProEX9 and i solved them when change version of directx used in dll's. I opened all dll files in compiller folder with notepad++ and replace all strings that contained words like d3dx9_XX to d3dx9_43 and it's works fine compiller stoped show messages "stuck hash". Hope this will help someone. By the way this error apeared when i used evolved Advanced Lighting.
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hmmm, not sure about advanced terrain, will check, but I use BlitzTerrain and that works no problem.
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sman512 wrote: "I opened all dll files in compiller folder with notepad++ and replace all strings that contained words like d3dx9_XX to d3dx9_43 and it's works fine compiller stoped show messages "stuck hash". Hope this will help someone."

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Good morning!

I have decided to try this unofficial patch, since of recent time DBP is free code FREE (formerly hera of payment with license),
It works correctly simple tests ... for the moment, I will continue testing sample programs that brings help, in addition to experimenting with small programs to help.

Thanks for the great effort, it works very fast, compile and execute, the FPS are fast fullscreen faster).
I can work well under Win10.

I am an old user of DB (2003) and DBP (2006) when I started to develop small projects. The first DB the help was in Spanish (I'm Spanish), in DBP all in English ... sometimes I need to translate it to understand the help.
I have some experience, even though I miss the old DBP official IDE ... I'm getting used to the new IDE Synergy Editor.

That I have an " annoying Error message " almost always that I compile the program in IDE Synergy Editor, it has some failure. I enclose the capture of this error.

Thanks for the great effort of development.

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Make sure you have the most up-to-date version of the Editor.
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I've unlocked this thread due to a potentially significant finding / issue.

I received a few reports people were unable to download DBP 9EX as their antivirus is detecting issues.

I uploaded the latest version DBPro9Ex v1009 to https://www.virustotal.com and it returned 3 findings.



Am hoping the author can take a look into this.

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After the sandbox testing completed, it gave a better result but I'm concerned people either won't be able to download or will choose not to download DBP 9EX applications because of these alerts.

I've attached a PDF of the full sandbox testing results.

Hopefully someone who knows more about this than I do can shed some light on this.

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Checked with DrWeb and Kaspersky - everything is ok
And what about last version of compiler DBPro9Ex_v1010?
It is posted on this page, here is link:https://www.ziggurat.one/download.php?file=ChristmasCompiler2017
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Posted: 4th Sep 2024 02:10 Edited at: 4th Sep 2024 02:13
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Good news on the Kaspersky result.

I uploaded DBPro9Ex_v1010.exe and it still came back with a bunch of threats. Screenshot attached.



The sandbox test results found 0 detections which is good news.

Some people are going to need to create an exception in their AV to use this.

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Rudolpho
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Posted: 14th Sep 2024 17:04
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That's most likely just false positives,
I tried to recompile the project, however getting it to build on my current machine is of course not going to be easy; lots of things have been deprecated from the good old Windows 7 days and working around those kind of things is seldom a quick and simple undertaking. I'll see what I can do though.

(Also hello everybody, it's been some time!)

My projects: [ Ziggurat Engine ] [ DBPro 9Ex ] [ ZInput ]
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Posted: 14th Sep 2024 19:58
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Yeah, I think these are just a bunch of false positive reports. As a reference, I'm getting 3 flags on a rebuilt complete installation package (including the compiler), while analyzing the compiler alone yields 5 flaggings on virustotal.com. You'd think it should find potentially more issues in the zip archive than one of its contained files alone, but apparently not...
Unfortunately, the only reasonable way to avoid false positives like this seems to be to start a legal entity corporation and pay up for an extended validation code signing certificate, i.e. essentially blackmail. (However, should TGC be able and willing to digitally sign the DBPro9Ex binaries, that is likely to shut these virus warnings up for the record).

I've attached the new build if you'd like to further inspect it yourself; beware that it has not been properly tested however. Also the ancient DirectPlay functionality seems to be entirely deprecated and thus I was unable to rebuild the multiplayer dll's; the older (2017) versions of these are included for completionism's sake.
I would be interested to hear whether these work on older operating systems like Windows XP or 7, should anybody feel inclined to try that.



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Thanks for responding and giving an update on this.

I'll give the new build a try!
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