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andrew11
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I got Flash MX 2004(LEGAL) for christmas and it just came today, so I went to install it, but it said that it not supported on my operating system. I use Windows ME, and the website said "Windows 98 SE (4.10.2222 A), Windows 2000, or Windows XP". So why wouldnt it work on ME????

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Because the web site just mentions "Windows 98 SE (4.10.2222 A), Windows 2000, or Windows XP" - no mention of ME there... Why have you got ME anyway ?


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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 22:31 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 22:31
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Most sites dont mention ME, yet other software still works. They should have specified "does not work on ME". If it works on 98, why doesent it work on ME? Isnt 98 older? And whats wrong with ME?

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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 22:33 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 22:37
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ME is extremely unstable, thats the main problem with it.
ME is a cross between 98 and 2000 - as though some blind programmer was forced to pick bits of Windows 2000, and 98 and cobble them together 5 minutes before it had to be sold.
As far as I know, most software here mentions ME only if it will certainly run on it. If it doesn't mention it, then you may or may not get it working - its a gamble on your part... Anyhoo - did you try the demo ?


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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 22:36 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 22:39
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Unstable??? I have never had any problems with it. Ive had my computer almost 4 years and it works like perfect??

So, Flash would work on ME, but its unstable, so it says it cant, or it cant work at all? Is there something really different about ME that makes it not let it work, or is it just a precaution?

Well, I was thinking about a new computer anyway.

And I didnt try the demo, because I didnt want to install the whole thing, then have to uninstall it and reinstall again.

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Quote: "So, Flash would work on ME, but its unstable, so it says it cant, or it cant work at all?"

To find the answer to that question, you'll need to contact Macromedia.

Quote: "Is there something really different about ME that makes it not let it work, or is it just a precaution?"

As I said, its a badly designed cross between 2000 and 98 - various bits changed here and there into the undesirable mess that was sold.

Quote: "Well, I was thinking about a new computer anyway."

Cant go far wrong with Windows XP.


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Have to agree with TCA, ME is the spawn of Satan himself. I have many work clients that always used to moan about their pc's crashing all the time. Surprise surprise they all had ME. Popped round there, installed Win98SE or 2000 and problems went away. Not such of a problem these days as new computers usually have XP on them which in my mind is the best OS so far.

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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 22:46 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 22:49
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I never knew that about ME.

What I hate about new computers though is by the time I buy one, something new comes out. When I got my first computer (95), a week later pentium 1 came out. When I got this computer, pentium 4 came out a few days later. Somethings bound to come out the minute I buy it

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As I've said sooo many times before, there's never a good time to buy a computer, for as soon as you've purchased the latest thing, something new comes out a few seconds later, and with more power...


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Oh, well, thanks anyway

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Once again TCA is correct (is he ever wrong?).

I waited 6 months to buy a top-of-the-range laptop. Did all sorts of investigation. Spent £1300 on it only to find a month later it was reduced to £999 and newer model with much better processor, better graphics, more memory, bigger disk, e.t.c come out and it was still cheaper.

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Could you give me some suggestions on parts then (video card,etc.)?

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Quote: " Once again TCA is correct (is he ever wrong?)."

Yes, I have been - twice...


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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 22:59 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 23:15
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If you were in the UK, I would suggest visiting Mesh Computers and Dabs. Unfortunately, your not, so anything I suggest wont help much.

Anyhoo, get the fastest for what money you've got... (nVidia 5950, 64bit processors etc).


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Quote: "Because the web site just mentions "Windows 98 SE (4.10.2222 A), Windows 2000, or Windows XP" - no mention of ME there... Why have you got ME anyway ?
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I thought ME meant "Mellemeium" (is that the spelling?) wich means "2000" so I thought it was the same thing...

Better go warn my parents then...


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I want one cd Drive so Ill get CD/DVD R-W like everything in one.

Is Athlon better than Pentium 4? And isnt 2 74Gb hard drives a little much? I have one 45 gb hd and its not even 1/2 full.

And case and monitors the easy part. One like this:http://www.colorcases.com/Cases/uvblue.htm or make one out of acrylic.

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Posted: 5th Jan 2004 23:32 Edited at: 5th Jan 2004 23:34
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Quote: "I thought ME meant "Mellemeium" (is that the spelling?) wich means "2000" so I thought it was the same thing..."

Unfortunately they are totally different - one is rubbish, the other isn't it...
Its spelt Millennium by the way. Wich is spelt Which too...

Quote: "Is Athlon better than Pentium 4?"

Yes, its somewhat quicker...

Quote: "And isnt 2 74Gb hard drives a little much? I have one 45 gb hd and its not even 1/2 full"

I would have thought 2 x 74Gb would be rather too small - my sister is busy filling a 300Gb hard drive... So, if a few months some poor mug will probably have to order a new one...


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Windows ME isn't all that bad. I have it. You don't need a new computer anyway, just get the Windows XP disc and install it. I've never known a software package that doesn't work on Windows ME. Flash must be a first. Have you looked for a patch on the flash site?

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Yes, dont get anything that mentions Celeron - they are the work of the devil.

And yes, hard drives are nice and cheap now - 300Gb IDE can be had for £199...


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Quote: "You don't need a new computer anyway, just get the Windows XP disc and install it"

Try the Compatability Tester program first.


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Flash MX should load on ME no troubles.
Was your virus scanner on at the time you tried to install it?

I use flash 5 professionally for work and Have never come across an issue like that.


The forums at www.flashkit.com are the best in cyberspace, perhaps re ask your question there.


As well as checking out this troubleshoot page.

http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/installation.html
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You could always try the compatability mode, which I think that ME has.


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Flash MX is compatible but new Flash MX 2004 isn't compatible. There are quite a few forums around where this has been discussed and no-one has got new version to work.

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Which, is the reason ME isn't mentioned in the specs...


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Posted: 6th Jan 2004 01:42 Edited at: 6th Jan 2004 02:18
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Quote: "You could always try the compatability mode"

No, I dont think I have it.

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for crying out loud ... firstl Flash Mx 2004 works fine under Windows Me (4.9.3000)

failing that goto the setup.exe, right-click//properties//[advanced] and set compatibility mode to Windows 98 or Windows 2000

and yes Windows ME stands for Millennium Edition, which isn't the same as saying 2000 because 2000 would be 2nd Millennium Edition if you wanted to get padantic about it.
ME is the Win9x based version
2000 is the WinNT based version

they're both the exact same OS, just different kernels
(and by exact same OS i don't mean, they're similar like Win95 and WinNT 4.0 ... i do mean they're the EXACT SAME, why do you think XP is WinNT based rather than Win9x based?)

and no i've never had any problems with WindowsME either, and don't understand why everone believes it's so unstable.


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Quote: "No, I dont think I have it."

Dont worry - you have it alright. Copy the setup program to the hard drive (might as well copy everything else too). Right-click the the executable -> Properties -> Compatability tab. Select Windows 98, apply and OK and then run the executable. As previously mentioned by Raven.


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Yes, thats for checking to see if a computer can take XP. The previously mentioned one trys to force an incompatiable program to run.


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Posted: 6th Jan 2004 22:03 Edited at: 6th Jan 2004 22:04
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@Raven and TCA

I really dont think I have it

Look:


Where is the compatability tab??

And besides that there was no setup.exe on the CD; it was "Install Flash MX 2004.exe".

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Heres my system info:



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Posted: 6th Jan 2004 22:26 Edited at: 6th Jan 2004 22:36
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sorry...

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@Divide By Zero
I dragged the file from the CD to the desktop and then clicked properties.

I never installed it. Thats the whole problem. There is no Macromedia or Flash MX folder in Program files because it never was installed! It wont install. I tried, but it says it wont work, so it just stops.

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Are you sure you can do that in winme, I thought winxp was the only version with compatability options.

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Whats the difference between
RADEON 9600 XT 128MB AGP
and
RADEON 9600 PRO 128MB AGP?

And which is the best?
nVidia 5950 or
RADEON 9600 XT 128MB AGP

The specs look pretty much the same to me

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Cant remember - had so much trouble with ME that I removed it in quickly - think it lasted around a couple of weeks.
No-one I know uses ME - none of our customers do, due to various problems it causes them, so unfortunately I cant find out.
So, it looks like ME doesn't have compatability, ergo you cant run in Compatability Mode. Which means you have several choices left :

A) Contact Macromedia and find out if they can sort the problem
B) Install a decent operating system. Something line Windows XP Home will be fine.
C) Get a refund for Flash
D) Its possible it may not like an service pack on ME. Therefore you could re-install it.


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