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JRZ2K4
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to start writing new commands and learn the luanguage

i have a book but i cant practice anything
whats a good program i could get to start practicing and running examples on
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devc++ is a good compiler if thats what you mean.

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JRZ2K4
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thanks alot
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If you want to learn C++, I recommend getting C++ for Dummies, it comes with GNU, a free full-function editor/compiler and a complete beginner's tutorial.

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thanks again
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JRZ2K4
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is visual basic 6 good
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visual basic is good for applications, dark basic is good for games.. that pretty much sums it up


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JRZ2K4
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im looking for something good for games

my DBPro should be here anytime this week
but im lookign for soemthign more powerfull

im not worried about it being difficult and advanced
because im not in a rush to make the game of the year

what about MS visual C++
is tthat good

is there anything else thats a notch better more advanced than DBPRO
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Java is pretty cool and pretty fun to learn, but takes time to understand. You can dl the Java Compiler for free of suns site
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html
You will want the SDK.

A book on learning on how to create games in Java or you can Download the book. Teaches you even how to start a game server or just a muiltiplayer game.
http://www.brackeen.com/javagamebook/

see its easy stuff


Check out the Java 3d Classe.

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http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/3D/forDevelopers/J3D_1_3_API/j3dapi/index.html
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whats the difference between the

Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition 1.4.2_03 and the Download NetBeans IDE v 3.5.1 with J2SE v 1.4.2 COBUNDLE
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nevermind i see tis a bundle
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does anyone have all the chapters in one file
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Great Knight
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You have to download the chapters sepratly, unless someone out there has it in one file.

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its ight i got them
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i just wanna say i have had the same problem picking what to learn but after a small time with darkbasic and hours in a c++ book. i feel sorry for c++ people now.I'm still gonna force myself to learn it because i wanna make games for palms but i wish i could make games for any system with darkbasic playstation,cell phone, xbox,ect... wouldn't it be a wet dream?

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so your saying dark basic is good but not good enough to make games of playstaion caliber

but c++ isnt limited its all up to what i can do with it
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DarkBASIC Pro has the potential to pass up playstation in power, and thusly make games that have a better presentation(I would rate DarkBASIC Classic slightly [very slightly!]better than Playstation). The tough part of making a good game is designing it.

After I toy around with DB, in a few years I plan to upgrade to Visual Basic.net or whatever it will be, because it introduces object oriented programming, and how to access directX. Then I'll be able to understand C++/# better.

So for now, if you're new at programming, I'd stick to DarkBASIC. Qbasic used to be the best beginner's language, but DarkBASIC is essentially Qbasic of the next generation.

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Is there a free visual basic6 editor/compiler or a free visual c++ editor compiler. If it helps I dont want to sell anything.
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Well... VISUAL C++, and VISUAL basic are just microsoft's editors/compilers. They added on to the language so it fits with windows. Borland is supposed to have a free C++ compiler, but I haven't checked them. The best C++ editor/compiler for beginners (that definitely includes me) is probably GNU (stands for GNU is Not Unix, dead serious). You should be able to find it with a search, but the C++ for Dummies book also helps a lot.

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Answer to a common question

DBP Is plenty powerful for the majority of the game makers out there. C++ is for people who are willing to take years of their life, to make an 'ok' game.

Dark Basic Pro is pretty much only limited by Direct X. Dont get me wrong it has its limitations, but a lot is Direct X.

The caliber of your game, if your into visuals, is decided by your own skill. People think games made in DBP dont look good, well thats usually because the artists behind them werent good.

Keep in mind that gaming companies that release games for PS2, Xbox, Gamecube and such are big companies with PROFESSIONALS doing the 3D/2D work. Most the DBP'ers are hobbiests.

If you can make stunning 3D models and 2D graphics, then you can make a visually stunning game with DBP. 3000 Polies is plenty enough to make a good model, and with a good texture on it, its par with pretty much anything on the market right now.

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thanks
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Things that slow DBPro down:

Collision Detection.
Physics.
Lack of portal management (clever poly hiding to speed things up ala .bsp)

All of these are being worked on as .DLL plugins created in C++ that you use to add extra commands to DBPro. There are a few .X collision systems, and more to come too. I reckon that the next couple of patches on DBPro will include some nice portal commands.

Using C++ to create DBPro plugins is how a lot of people are working, perhaps it's a good idea to learn the basics of C++ then look into making .DLL's to handle distance functions or simple collision (like line intersection) - which will instantly benefit yourself and give you a foundation to learn from.

Note that although Borland are a bunch of spying gits, Borland Delphi is similar to Pascal, which is a lot easier than C++ (more like structured basic really), and can be used to make .DLL's.


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DBpro is GREAT for games. You can do things in a fraction of the time than VB or C++.

Visual Basic has a super user intface and better than DBpro for making utility programs. - But I like Borland's Delphi Much better than Visual Basic.

If you really want MS Visual C++, look at Borland's Delphi C++ Builder. But the rememebr that C++ has a steaper learning curve. MS visual C++ is MUCH harder to use than Borlands.
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Microsoft Visual C++ ... is probably the easiest there is
Borland Builder C++ ... there are two versions free & professional
GCC ... the original General C/C++ compiler (but not for beginners)
Codewarrior ... totally awesome, totally multiplatform, totally too expensive!!
DevC++ ... good IDE, horrible compiler (no really it's the worst out there!)
Cygwin ... not really C++, as it comes with only a C compiler; but it is perfectly setup for 3rd party compiler - suchas GCC

there are like a TONNE of 3rd party C/C++ compilers, but those are probably your best bets to checkup on


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As far as GCC compilers are concerned for windows:

MinGW - The original GCC C++ compiler for windows
Dev-C++ - MinGW with an IDE on top
Cygwin - GCC in a Unix environment

They are basically all the same compiler.

I use Cygwin/GCC for testing small snippets of code - VC++ forces you to create a new project for everything, but with GCC I can just create a source file and compile it.

For free Plug-ins, source and the DBPro Interface library for Visual C++ 6 and .NET
http://www.matrix1.demon.co.uk
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