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Geek Culture / More user friendly, less programmer friendly

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Rob K
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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 03:01 Edited at: 10th Jan 2004 03:10
I am I the only one who has noticed that in recent years, as PCs become highly new-user friendly, the interfaces which the programmer has to use become increasingly complex and utterly inefficient.

Earlier on this evening, I was adding an extension to an ActiveX control written in C++, each exported command required over 10 very lengthy, and very similar definitions (there were 15 more, but you could probably cope without). All in all, about 40 lines of code FOR EACH command. At a bare minimum you could do less I'm sure, but if you need all the functionality.

The interfaces for a lot of modern technologies just make one wonder - WHY?

Companies have responded by creating a whole host of wrapper technologies, such as MFC for the Windows API. But I really feel that doesn't touch the root of the problem.

Languages like DarkBASIC / VB / Delphi are very helpful in this respect, however, having so many layers of interaction cannot be efficient, even if modern PCs are so powerful.


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Puffy
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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 07:14
^_^ Which is why we all go back to assembly... it will never get any harder... O_O its already at the max...


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UnderLord
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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 07:24
ahh good old assembly...welp everyone should learn it one big fat hobbilogist here (is that how its spelled?)

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UnderLord
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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 08:25
Rob K your blueide keeps asking me for cd #2...wtf? im trying to install it but it asks for cd #2?!

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 08:55
it's a simple business decision...

upgrade the current Interface with new features, an interface that programmers have been using for years.

or create an entirely new interface from scratch, oftenly entailing far greater development time, a new runtime for the OS and a new Interface setup for the programmers to use.

this is why .Net is around Rob, to fixx this problem; problem being is that .Net isn't exactly a favoured solution for everyone.


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Puffy
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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 09:07
=\ Sure is...


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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 13:58
puff, your sig is HUGE!

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Oraculaca
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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 14:08
UnderLord ,download it again I dloaded it and was cut of several times thus resulting in missing files ,hence the cd2 remark.

@Robk - love the ide ,however my idiocy result in me saving over my project rather than opening another , any chance of a space between open and save for the mentally incapable

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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 14:45
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now your just doing it to annoy me.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2004 17:31
The Windows system is hopelessly complicated, from DirectX to the Speech API, its all really poorly designed. Its the main reason why I got DBPro - whilst I can program some aspects of Direct3D (mainly the sprites), the rest is too much trouble to learn.


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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 02:43
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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 09:42
Its not that big...


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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 11:09
Quote: "oftenly"


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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 11:20
Geez, I can imagine some of you guys doing a search every 10 mins. for each and every new Raven post then looking for an excuse to post some off-topic reply about it. Get out much?

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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 11:38
*shifty eyes*


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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 12:07
I decided I like Raven and respect him as a man.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 12:34
Oftenly is a perfectly cromulent word.

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Rob K
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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 12:43
@UnderLord

The IDE did not download correctly I suspect - it should be about 7MB in size. Try downloading again.

@Puffy

I suggest you resize the sig (Until then the only way around it is to block images from that server)


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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 14:40
It is big isn't it?


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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 15:04
NOOO don't block images from that server
you'll miss mine too much!!


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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 16:42
no we wont

no
UnderLord
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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 18:50
Rob K - ok now i have the same problem as i did in DBP with BlueIDE apon compile and run blackscreen!!! argh!!! this makes me so mad....i wonder if its my graphics card not displaying anything correctly...

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Chris K
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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 19:18
Quote: "Oftenly is a perfectly cromulent word."


It's only in the imbiggened version of the dictionary though.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2004 19:23
Quote: "i wonder if its my graphics card not displaying anything correctly..."

Try 640x480x16, make sure DX9.0b is working correctly.

If thats okay, then try the next valid resolution until it doesn't work...


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