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CattleRustler
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Posted: 13th Apr 2004 19:39
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Wasn't nvidia supposed to announce this today? Have they? Any news/info/links/comments? Is Raven already using it?


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flibX0r
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Posted: 13th Apr 2004 19:56
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lol @ Raven ploy. Nah, he would has the one after already.

no word yet, but i'm looking forward to it

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Posted: 13th Apr 2004 21:33
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The next-generation NVIDIA Graphics Card / Processor Lines have been set to have details released in at E3 May 22-27 '04 in LA.
Only the Mobile Graphics Processors were suppose to be announced during GDC (end of March) and they were.
AR10 and GoForce 3-Series were both announced and have become very well received, especially with the AR10's Programmable Pipeline.

This said, do not get the nv40 mixxed up with NVIDIA's next-generation.
Both NVIDIA and ATI are not focusing entirely on that as DirectX10's features are still in development and a fully working design is currently impossible.

The nv40 and R400 processors will both go to make stop-gap DirectX9 Shader 3.0 cards. Don't expect huge step up in speed, features or graphics quality.
What you want to wait for are the November announcements


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Posted: 13th Apr 2004 22:05
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that was like reading chineese lol

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Posted: 14th Apr 2004 09:58
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which is the best graphics card
ATi Radeon 9200
or
GeForce 5200(i think)

Just to add to the confusion.
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Posted: 14th Apr 2004 21:00
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Posted: 14th Apr 2004 21:27
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RichS: Ati Radeon 9200 are much faster than the FX 5200. And with all series too.
The radeon 9600 are faster, than the FX5600, ect ect ect....
The GeForceFX not supporting well the DirectX9.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2004 01:10
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R9200 vs FX5200 is a pretty level playing field, infact all of the cards are.
What people forget quite obtrusely when trying to compare the cards is that there are multiple versions of each of them.

9200 ~ 5200
9200 Pro ~ 5200 Ultra

this actually follows this pattern quite well throughout each of the series of cards.
The Std Editions and Enhanced Editions are roughly speed and power; and despite everyone throwing reviews of these cards beating the other cards; if you ever look at the performance the online reviewers get and what the general public gets, often they favour what 'gamers' at the time are praising. There is usually a difference of around 5-10fps in speed, which if the performance is 20fps then fair enough that is enough to worry.
But when the performance is 70-100fps that 5-10fps really make no odds what-so-ever.
So your choice should really come down to Price & Features.

This is why the FX has been outselling the Radeons 3:1 for the past 12months, even with all the bad publicity.
They have far more features and until recently were one hell of alot cheaper.

It is all well and good to say 'Well i'll just get the fastest card', but when the difference of an R9800XT vs FX5950 ULTRA is around 5fps in Halo quite frankly I'm going to buy the one that is cheaper.

FX5950 in every case is cheaper, quieter and uses ALOT less power (meaning you don't have to upgrade from a std 230watt PSU to 350watt PSU just to make sure your machine doesn't blackout reboot)
This also ends up friendlier on the electricity bill (might not seem like much but that extra £5/month adds up!)
This isn't to mention the stability the cards have being openly compatible with every game not just those that people play the most or are most current, additional feature support, as well as a company support line that *ACTUALLY* responds to problems.

At the end of the day, it isn't just pure performance of a card which should make you want to purchase it. Performance wise the cards are a fair trade between each other... in every other respect, it isn't even a close match.


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Posted: 15th Apr 2004 11:47
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Quote: "std 230watt PSU "


Hahaha! Another classy quote!

350watt PSU is the normal.

but for 6800, they recommend 480W. go figure.


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Posted: 15th Apr 2004 12:38
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230watt is standard... 300watt is common, 400watt is high-end.
only ONE case manufacturer uses 350watt! so how the hell that could be normal in your lil world god only knows.

and there is a difference between recommended and required.
I can run my FX5950 Ultra, 2x SCSI Raid 7200rpm, 2x CD/DVD-RW, Tablet, Scanner, Printer, Webcam, Audigy2, 2x 10/100Mb NIC, Aftershock Controller, KT333 Motherboard all from a 230watt PSU no problems.
if i OC the FX5950 Ultra then my APU kicks in from time to time cause of small surges the PSU can't handle... however with my R9800XT i REQUIRE a 320watt PSU else my APU works overtime and on occassion isn't even enough to hold off a reboot.


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Posted: 15th Apr 2004 19:41
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Not desperate o_O just concious about my outgoings.
Think about it, i have 4 PCs running almost non-stop...
atm i'm paying around £80-110/month electricity bills, if i was using high-end PSUs then i'd just be wasting money.
i use and purchase what i need and not just to have bragging rights.

350watt really is what I would put inside a SCSI machine (because of the HDDs) ... I use Passive Heatsinks specifically so I don't require additional power for fans (you know the R3xx cores require 8x more power than an AMD Athlon64 FX-51 Processor!!).
That said even if i had the fans on the machine I would still not really need more than a 250watt PSU, unfortunately they're no longer very common to find and you end up paying more.

Ya know, it's stupid really ... people throw thier money away on getting the latest hardware asap and never really think about the additional costs ontop of that.
Hell i still regularly use CRT monitors over my TFT one as it runs cheaper, it is less likely to burn out or faulter with continual use, it puts less strain on the eyes and if set right doesn't give out a high pitch whine that is just out of the audio range but can give you blinding headaches after prolonged exposure.

Same goes for media drives, certain brands are noisey, power-hungry and if you wait a generation will be quieter and won't scratch up your discs as much.
i put one hell of alot of thought into my next purchases; like i don't use PC3500, i use PC3200 instead as technically there is no speed difference yet unless you happen to have a dedicated PCI-X motherboard from either AMD or Intel; as everyone else's chipsets bottleneck and all that additional speed is actually lost.
Unless you use a Ramboard which are then power considerations and also bottleneck of the 15GB/s PCI 2.1 bus. when you ram should be outputting a combined 20GB/s.

often a case of more money than sense.


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Posted: 15th Apr 2004 19:58
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my signature is so i don't have to explain the specs of what i test things on... i update it to whatever i'm more commonly using at that point in time. i've been doing it for what now, almost a year?
i need to update it again, but i didn't think i'd actually be on here again... not that i plan to be.


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Any suggestions on graphics cards in the $200 price range? Looking for pixel and vert shader capability with dx9 support. I have a slight preference for Nvidia, but no fanaticism.
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Posted: 16th Apr 2004 21:22
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Thanks for the info. Given the limited selection in the local area, it is easy to miss out on a better card.
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