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Geek Culture / What is the differene between a PCI graphics card and an AGP graphics card?

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Blue Shadow
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Posted: 8th May 2004 01:11
Hey all,

I just wondered if anyone knew the answer as i'm looking to upgrade my graphics card. I found this one on the local computer shop's website and wondered if it was any good (its a PCI graphics card).

Radeon 9200SE 128MB DDR PCI DVI TV-Out Retail Price £ 39.95

Thanks in advance,

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Why not get an AGP card ? More or less the same price ?


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AGP=Accelerated Graphics Port. AGP cards have more capabilities and faster speed than PCI. There's a new thingy coming out called PCI Express but that's another matter. AGP cards are better. And that's a pretty cheap low-end Radeon-- look for a Radeon 9000-line in the ~$100 or more range on NewEgg and you'll get something good.

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The price says it all. Standard PCI is half the speed of standard AGP. If your motherboard is capable of even 4xAGP then you'll see a massive slow-down by switching to PCI

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<edit> Sorry everyone posted at the same time.


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Posted: 8th May 2004 01:18 Edited at: 8th May 2004 01:20
Do you need a different slot for an AGP graphics card?


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Urgh! Awful motherboard. Buy a new one. Any motherboard without an AGP slot is either an antique or a super cheap POS. I had a cheapass one with two PCI slots before, and even it had an AGP!

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If you dont have an AGP port (its slightly smaller than the PCI slots), then you've got no choice.


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Posted: 8th May 2004 01:22
Ok. Ill check now. I think I should have although i'm not sure. My comp was only bought at christams. It is an emachines 420 but the graphics card is rubbish in it. ( hence me wanting to upgrade it)

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Posted: 8th May 2004 01:38
to answer the original question: The speed and the slot it plugs into


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Posted: 8th May 2004 01:55 Edited at: 8th May 2004 02:05
Here are some pictures of my motherboard:




They are the only expansion slots on my motherboard and as far as i know they are PCI slots. Is this a problem,

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Snore City - get a better site.


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Yow, the pictures are taking hours to appear!!!

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I know. I fixed it now. The image was huge. Dam digital camera. Anyway. There you are.


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Yes, it looks like you have a very limited expansion capability...


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mmmmm. They are definetly pci slots (i think they are anyway). How much is the slowdown from pci compared to agp.

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It depends on what video card you are putting in. If you put an old POS video card into your machine it wont matter so much. But any of the newer PCI cards it will. Do they even make those any more?


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Posted: 8th May 2004 03:19 Edited at: 8th May 2004 03:20
no offense people but when you post pics, especially ones for people to see whats going on, please edit them for visibility before posting. compare:



and



all I did was edit brightness, a lil contrast, and a wee tweak on gamma. Very Noticeable diff



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and yeah, you have no AGP port, sorry


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I could see it just fine, Cattle. You have cow eye!!

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I did hear on Toms Hardware that the type of graphics card you get really depends on what you want to do with it. AGP is great for games and polygon pushing, but apparently PCI is better for 2D stuff like Photoshop and video editing. Weird no?
Obviously since you're posting on DB, you'd really want an AGP slot handy for the 3D graphics goodness.

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yes, i have Cow-eyes, oh you mean you people dont? LOL I almost grazed on a box of christmas lights earlier - no wonder




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Simply put: AGP is meant for graphics cards. PCI is meant for network things, etc., such as modems and ethrenet cards. I had a PCI card for a year then recently upgraded to an AGP. The difference is incredible.


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Dam. Is there anyway to add an AGP slot or do i have to upgrade my motherboard aswell.

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emachines - are they them PC world Celeron things with the Intel graphics?

Get a new m/board.
I just bought a new m/board and 2ghz AMD for £71


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If you buy a new motherboard you have to make sure that it fits in your case. You might have to buy a new case if you want all of the latest parts. It depends on the width of your current case.

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@ Flashing blade. Yes they are the Pc world celron things. I looked on the front of the case and it says Intel Extreme 3D AGP Graphics. But the AGP slot seems to be invisible.

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Ah. Thanks for all your help you guys. Looks like i'm going to have to stick with PCI then.


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nooo! get a new mb and card!


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Ok then. Any recomendations for motherboards?


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Asus tends to make kick-arse boards


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Ouch. I just tried looking on my local computer companies website (http://stak.com) and i have no idea what i'm looking for. I looked under the Asus category for motherboards and everything is abreviated. It makes my head hurt just thinking about it.


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yeah, it can get crazy. I have building my own computers for the past 15 years so it helps. You may wanna get a hold of someone near you that knows about boards and could steer you in the right direction.

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You know it is said that AGP increases speed greatly,
When AGP was first released this was actually true...

How AGP works is basically to by-pass the chipset.

AGP <-> CPU
... <-> RAM
PCI <-> ChipSet <-> RAM <-> CPU

This ment that you could only transfer as fast as the PCI bus, which 2.0 set to 33MHz (as this was the FSB for the Ram)
Basically this ment that access time between the Video Chip, and CPU had to go through the ChipSet and the Ram first.

What AGP allowed was the Graphics Card to access the Ram and CPU directly; this ment that basically communication speeds were increased, often to the boards FSB * AGP Bandwidth.
At the time this was 100MHz * 1X (33MHz) giving some impressive speed increases, as alot of 3D operations were done on the CPU.

As time progressed the Bus speed of the card was increased, this didn't actually really increase the access time; all it did was allow more data to be transferred at once. Which speeds up loading time, which for 8MB cards like there were back then this ment quite a bit faster when accessing data.

See the thing now is, GPU's have taken over almost all of the CPU 3D Tasks; So unless your trying to do something your GPU can't handle you will not notice a difference in rendering speed.
Also most cards have 128MB/256MB Ram, which means entire scenes of data can be loaded and cached so that less calls need to be made to the system ram and cpu allowing less speed lags.

So basically all PCI <-> AGP now means, is loading time and how smooth in-game loading is. As some may notice running cards capable of AGP4x on a 2x mobo in DirectX produces a 'jerky' effect whenever you enter a new area. This is because it is slowing down to grab the new data, there is no difference in actual rendering speed though this is a pure output bug of the system because the card doesn't recieve the call to draw.

Although PCI-Express seems impressive with it's Bi-Directional tranfers and such... it STILL is going through the chipset, and no doubt AGP-Express will follow which will once again by-pass the system chipset. But really at this point; it's a waste of time due to how the GPU is actually the most powerful processor for Graphics in your system.

A 250MHz GeforceFX 5200 is capable of outperforming a Pentium4 3.0GHz HTEE doing 3D Operations with ease.
Really at the end of the day with these cards it just comes down to what you can put in your system - rather than what technology is on it.

AGP 8x sounds impressive, but the only advantage it has over AGP 2x is the fact that it can shift around 8x the data in a second.
But when you only have 256MB oncard and 512MB on system; what the hell is the point in shifting 34GB/sec of information?


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Ok then. . I never could understand any of your posts raven. If i got it right are you just saying that in the modern world the only difference is the loading time?


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Remember if your m/board's got a built in graphix chip and you wanna update to a PCI one, you gotta disable your onboard one in BIOS


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Um. This just more and more complicated . We need to get our other computer fixed so imight just get the guy to upgrade this one too . It would be a lot easier than me doing something and getting it wrong.

Thanks for all your help!


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Sure it wouldn't be cheaper (and easier) to just by a proper and decent computer instead ?


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Yeah. Heinsight is a wonderful thing. I bought the computer at chistmas and i'm beggining to wish i hadn't. Although, it did come with a beautiful 17" flatpanel screen.


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It's not hard to upgrade your computer. I built mine with no knowledge of building computers. I didn't even read anything from the net about it. I just asked in the shop for a motherboard for an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ chip, and they gave me one. Luckily for me it had AGP. That's about as complex as it gets.

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