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Rob K
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Someone showed this to me this morning, its a riddle Einstein produced. Kept me thinking for a long time. If you're feeling smart, have a go:

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Einstein wrote this riddle last century and said that 98% of the world’s population would not be able to solve it.

• There are 5 houses that are each a different colour.
• There is a person of a different nationality in each house.
• The 5 owners drink a certain drink. They each smoke a certain brand of cigarettes and also have a certain pet. No owner has the same pet, smokes the same brand of cigarettes nor drinks the same drink.
• The question is. “Who has the fish?�

CLUES

1. The British man lives in the red house.
2. The Swedish man has a dog for a pet.
3. The Danish man drinks tea.
4. The green house is to the left of the white house.
5. The owner of the green house drinks coffee.
6. The person that smokes Pall Mall has a bird.
7. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.
8. The person that lives in the middle house drinks milk.
9. The Norwegian lives in the first house.
10. The person that smokes Blend, lives next to the one that has a cat.
11. The person that has a horse lives next to the one that smokes Dunhill.
12. The one that smokes Bluemaster drinks beer.
13. The German smokes Prince.
14. The Norwegian lives next to a blue house.
15. The person that smokes Blend, has a neighbour that drinks water.
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Took me just under an hour this morning. Good fun though

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Posted: 21st May 2004 01:40
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I remember getting this in class once, and the teacher told us that only the top 5% of the population could figure it out. I got it in about 15 minutes ^_^

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Alright, starting on this. I thought I was through with these process by elimination puzzles after 8th grade

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I am surprised this wasn't in the "Fun with cryptography" thread...

that's all I'll say


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Posted: 21st May 2004 03:10
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I think it's the.... Norwegian

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Posted: 21st May 2004 03:13 Edited at: 21st May 2004 03:14
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Well, I got stuck, guess that makes me stupid. Suppose i'll have to work it out s'more when I get home... blah.. impossible.. grrrr

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Yeah comando, if I took a guess from where I'm at now, i'd think it was the norwegian, BUT something's out of place and it's not coming together and it's DRIVING ME CRAZY

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Posted: 21st May 2004 03:14
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That was fun.

For those interested here is the answer.



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P.S. If you got it right or wrong please don't give any indication which is the correct answer. It'd ruin the fun for other people. Thank you.
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Posted: 21st May 2004 03:35
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BAH! That's just about exactly what I had.. except I somehow put the German in White and Swedish in Green... and that's where I got STUCK.. blasted... blast

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I gave up when I realised the phrase 'The green house is to the left of the white house' actually means the green house is DIRECTLY to the left of the white house. I took it as being somewhere to left of White house, thus making puzzle almost impossible to solve.

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Posted: 21st May 2004 03:42 Edited at: 21st May 2004 03:43
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Einstein was really bored!!!!!!! to made that riddle

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Posted: 21st May 2004 03:50 Edited at: 21st May 2004 03:53
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@spooky:

you and me both man! once i found out what left, the rest was simple.

[edit]

maybe that's part of the reason for such a high percentage, most people are trying to figure out what "left" their talking about! lol

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Posted: 21st May 2004 03:51 Edited at: 21st May 2004 03:54
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Quote: "BAH! That's just about exactly what I had.. except I somehow put the German in White and Swedish in Green... and that's where I got STUCK.. blasted... blast
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exactly the same for me??? I also put that German into the White house
So i came to the Norwegian just like Comando 300 but then point 12 didn't work anymore


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Posted: 21st May 2004 03:59 Edited at: 21st May 2004 04:00
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Yep, exactly, that blasted bluemaster smokin, beer drinkin whino... grrr

Hmm, perhaps RobK should edit his post to say "DON'T READ BELOW UNTIL YOU HAVE AN ANSWER"

We kinda BLEW IT

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LOOOOOOOOL

We could also start a discussion about why newsletter 17 isn't up yet, but then again i don't want to get into troubles with RobK


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@Jimmy

"We kinda BLEW IT"

No kidding.
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Posted: 21st May 2004 10:28
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I hope they announce the next competition soon, I think a Martian Idol 2 is in the WORKS. Yeah BABAY.

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Posted: 21st May 2004 11:44 Edited at: 21st May 2004 12:14
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I used to make these puzzles for a magazine. I had a couple printed. I think I got paid £30 per puzzle printed. They were the same as the Einstein one but on grids. Actually, I can probably take a screen shot of some of my puzzles, because I made a VB program to generate them. I'll see if I can put them up.

Yeah...here is one that I invented myself! See if you can guess the answer. This one isn't the same as the Einstein one, this concept was my own idea.




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Yay!!!! I got it!!!! Took me a few hours whilst watching tv, but good ol' pen and paper got me there! wow im dead chuffed

Edit: That is the einstein puzzle i got, not Pincho's

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Posted: 21st May 2004 18:54
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Has no one got this yet? You're lucky I didn't post the other version which uses pictures, instead of numbers.

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Posted: 21st May 2004 19:05
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I had the einstien one in high school english... i got it in about 35 minutes

pincho: Yours is a royal pain in the ass and i give up... I was leaning toward "H" but I belive I am off

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i don't really understand it


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ALRIGHT!

I got it in about 20 minutes using a pen and paper ( and confirmed the answer with that that is above ).

Btw, to those that thought they'd given the answer away... You didn't... I really didn't have a clue what you were talking about untill I read over your posts once I'd figured it out, so don't worry :p

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Bah, it's not H that's for sure.

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It's not H.

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One question, is there like a special way to figure it out rather than going through each letter and just CHECK CHECK CHECKING?

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Yeah, write a computer program to check them! My VB program checks them for me.

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Damn you Pincho, if I understand your game correctly, O and Y are so close it makes me cry (only 1 and 2 columns are incorrect respectively).


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Yeah it doesn't take long to find a fault so that you can move on to the next letter. 'O' has a fault half way down.

Anyone confused?....
The puzzle works in rows and columns on the very first square. It tells you how many numbers down, and accross have to match numbers in the Alphabetical list on the right. The first numbers in each row, and column are the amount of numbers that should match the alphabetical list.

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Except I check the columns first, so after finding matches in all 5 columns (for both O and Y), I go onto the rows only to find the third last is wrong.


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If you can't get the original puzzle, you're probably ignoring the negatives. It's solved by a process of elimination, work out who doesn't fit each house/pet etc, and you will work out who does.

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Quote: "If you can't get the original puzzle, you're probably ignoring the negatives. It's solved by a process of elimination, work out who doesn't fit each house/pet etc, and you will work out who does."


Aye, that's how they all should be done . I had a bloody book full of those-- but way easier, with only three to four variables to solve instead of five, and generally more clues. I'm pretty good at them but I hate solving them-- just bores the crap out of me.

I think I'm gonna write an app to solve these real quick so I won't have to in the future ... just input names for each variable, feed it what is and isn't (clues), and have it run through all the posibilities until one matches. It could also be used to spot faulty puzzles (more than 2 answers) ...

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Eek, I'm a mouse, EEK EEEEKKK
!!!
!!

Yeah, that negative thing is how I did it, still got stuck. Stupid germans.

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A man who knows nothing, knows nothing until he knows he knows nothing. However, what he knows is false. So in the end, he knows nothing.

I was bored also...

[Edit]
I figured out the einstein one in about 45 min...
Still havn't gotten pincho's

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Doctors havent a clue what are the causes of aneurysms are, But I think I have a theory...

People come acrossed a god forsaken puzzle like the one pincho has presented. They sit there looking at it, saying to themsleves "wtf?!?". And then, having an actual life, they move on to do better things.

But they can't stop thinking about it, and through out the day all they can think is, "Puzzle, Puzzle, 2, 5, 48, 10...". Finally they're sitting on the toliet still thinking about the puzzle when *BOOM* a painful aneurysm hits them.

And as they drift slowly towards the light with drool coming from thier mouths, all they can think is "its, its 'O'!"

Pincho kindly tells them its not 'O' and to try again.

they have a heart attack and a stroke at that moment.



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omg...
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Well, the answer (that I got and I checked it at about 15 website) is: Cigarette Brand: Prince - Nationality: German - Pet: Fish - Drink: Coffee - House Color: Green. Well, whatever! Guess I'm smart!

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Again... omg...
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What is with you people... I mean, seriously, Z...


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Ive got a stranger one (ye might know it)

3 Guests arive at a beautiful hotel. They ask the manager "how much does 1 room cost?". The manager says "30 euro/dollar".
They pay 10 euro/dollar each and go the their room. (10 x 3 = 30 euro/dollar)

The manager goes into the backroom and discovers the price was 25 euro/dollar. He orders the liftboy to give them their 5 euro/dollar back.

When the liftboy approaches the room he thinks "I have to give 1.33 euro/dollar to each person, but I have no coins left. Ye know, I'll put 2 euro/dollar in my pocket and give them 1 euro/dollar each"

They get 1 euro/dollar back, so they paid 9 euro/dollar instead of 10.

9 euro/dollar X 3 persons = 27 euro/dollar
2 euro/dollar that the liftboy has = 2 euro/dollar

together its 29 euro/dollar, where's the other one?



Or a more difficult version

2 guests arrive at a hotel, the room costs $20. When they go to their room the manager discovers the room was only $15.
He asks the liftboy to bring the $5 back.
When the liftboy approaches the door he thinks "I have to give $2.50 back, but I have no coins, ye know, I'll put $3 in my pocket and give them their $2 back"

"zo gezegd zo gedaan" in dutch

2 persons x $10 - $1 = $18
$3 the liftboy has = $3

$18+$3 = $21

HUH???

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Quote: "3 Guests arive at a beautiful hotel. They ask the manager "how much does 1 room cost?". The manager says "30 euro/dollar".
They pay 10 euro/dollar each and go the their room. (10 x 3 = 30 euro/dollar)

The manager goes into the backroom and discovers the price was 25 euro/dollar. He orders the liftboy to give them their 5 euro/dollar back.

When the liftboy approaches the room he thinks "I have to give 1.33 euro/dollar to each person, but I have no coins left. Ye know, I'll put 2 euro/dollar in my pocket and give them 1 euro/dollar each"

They get 1 euro/dollar back, so they paid 9 euro/dollar instead of 10.

9 euro/dollar X 3 persons = 27 euro/dollar
2 euro/dollar that the liftboy has = 2 euro/dollar

together its 29 euro/dollar, where's the other one?"


This is just a trick question, you're basically adding instead of subtracting, there is no missing dollar. Essentially you're all putting in 9 dollars each (27), the liftboy takes 2 dollars, so it's 27 - 2 = 25 (the amount the hotel took).


Quote: "Or a more difficult version

2 guests arrive at a hotel, the room costs $20. When they go to their room the manager discovers the room was only $15.
He asks the liftboy to bring the $5 back.
When the liftboy approaches the door he thinks "I have to give $2.50 back, but I have no coins, ye know, I'll put $3 in my pocket and give them their $2 back"

"zo gezegd zo gedaan" in dutch

2 persons x $10 - $1 = $18
$3 the liftboy has = $3

$18+$3 = $21

HUH???
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This one's exactly the same as the above. You're actually supposed to do $18 - $3 = $15. The price of the room.

It's just a trick by doing the incorrect Math for you.


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You know Z, you are actually supposed to work out the answer yourself not check "about 15 websites" to find it Moron. I mean come on really how far did you get? that the second house was blue then gave up?

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