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Chris K
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2004 20:52 Edited at: 8th Dec 2006 18:27
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2004 22:28
You can use dev-cpp. http://www.bloodshed.net
or get Visual c++ (books mostly use VC++ to test their codes)
Ive got a few problems running examples in dev-cpp though >_>

And for help and tutorials you should join http://www.nerdbrains.com
They help new members and have several tutorial links posted.

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http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/

good luck with it



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Actually, I tell a lie.

I really just want a really fast language for 2D stuff.

I thought C++ would be the best for that but maybe there's a BASIC language that is just as fast...?
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Join the forums at http://www.cpp-home.com They're really helpful towards anyone new.

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you could try purebasic: http://www.purebasic.com/



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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 01:51
A good windows C++ 3d book is Windows Game PRogramming For Dummies, I'm reading it and is very good.
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Quote: "I thought C++ would be the best for that but maybe there's a BASIC language that is just as fast...?"

Not released yet, and not as fast (erm, yet ), but the easiest and most complete 2D programming language: http://playbasic.underwaredesign.com/

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 04:23
From what I have seen if you can find visual c++, 2d would be very easy to learn. I started learning but didn't have time to study so I took the easier route. DBP But it really wasn't that hard just alot of info. I bought the book Ivor Horton's Beginning Visual C++ and it is very good and I will go back to it when I get time.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 10:32
I got Dev C++ and I'm finding it not too hard.

The only thing is you need much more of an idea of how memory works.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 11:49
i get stuck with making DLL's in Dev

Im not a rubbish programmer...Everyone else is just better than me....
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 12:13 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2004 12:14
Fast language for 2D stuff... Well for API's, there's DirectX or OpenGL, but I find the latter much easier IMO... Or you could stick to GDI

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Dont forget GCC - although you may have problems creating DLL's with that.


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gcc?

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 14:37
Doesnt Dev C++ use a variation of the GCC compiler?

Its not a bug, its a feature!
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 16:38
Or Allegro for C++.


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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 16:44
http://www12.canvas.ne.jp/peters/colin/win32/basics/index.html

This has some good stuff. Unfortunately it's incomplete, just cuts off when you get to functions .

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 16:53
gcc's good, I've used it a few times.

Also, if you want to use the Borland C++ 5.5 compiler ( Command Line Tools ), without having to pay for their official IDE, head on over to my mate Gile's site to grab his IDE ( totally legal )

http://www.superchiefsoftware.com/
Borland C++ 5.5 Command Line Tools

Have fun

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Quote: "Doesnt Dev C++ use a variation of the GCC compiler?"

No idea


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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 18:10 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2004 18:11
for a "crash-course" into game making with c++.....

1 - do a search for "zdoom source"

2 - download everything you can find on zdoom

3 - do a search for "doom shareware iwad"
and download that.

4 - download M$ Visual c++ (10MB of crap)

5 - read the "zdoom" docs to download everything else
and how to configure things....

6 - Play the shareware doom game to see what it is

7 - read the source code
re-read it a few times with a c++ book .....

Now, your an expert
and it only cost you time.

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What is the coolest Borland C++ 5.5 Compiler IDE out there (apart from the Borland one ofcourse)?

Another interesting third-party IDE is http://csjava.occ.cccd.edu/~gilberts/quincy2k.html - but I was wondering if anyone knows of any more top-quality free IDEs.


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Posted: 3rd Jun 2004 22:03
There's VIDE too : http://www.objectcentral.com/

You can use it for both Borland and as an alternative to Dev-C++ for MinGW (although you'd need to install MinGW as a standalone system instead).

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Posted: 4th Jun 2004 00:02
Oh my god! How can anyone understand any of C?? Even the basic tutorials are confuddling!

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Posted: 4th Jun 2004 00:05
The beginnings are not that different from Basic, just different format and more code. All the concepts are the same, just start at the dead beginning of it, and you will get it soon enough

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I'll be learning Assembly soon for my BTEC course lol, that should be good fun (iv'e never actually really tried assembly, looked at some code and never understood it).

We're going to be doing boringly n00by applications (don't know what for, more than likely DOS or Win32), and then controlling robot arms and stuff lol. Should be fun


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Posted: 4th Jun 2004 02:22
I don't know why, but C is much easier to read and understand at a glance then Basic is...

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Posted: 4th Jun 2004 19:01
Quote: "I don't know why, but C is much easier to read and understand at a glance then Basic is..."


I agree, but only to an extent.

The way the code is layed out ( to me ) is much easier to understand... It seems alot more logical, and less cluttering.

( I'm talking about the "{" and ";" etc, and the way you HAVE to modulate everything ).

But, Syntax wise... unless you know what the commands are, they mostly don't make any sence at all.

Jess.

PS I really like PHP and ActionScript because they have their syntax structure's based on C/++


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Posted: 4th Jun 2004 19:22
I don't get why they used && instead of AND and || instead of OR.
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Posted: 4th Jun 2004 19:28
&&
||
!=
==
<=
>=

notice how there are two symbols for each comparison operator?

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Posted: 4th Jun 2004 20:19 Edited at: 4th Jun 2004 20:22
Allegro is a good library, but I never got it too work with dev-cpp. Setting allegro up is very difficult (add system variables, copy this to that, open a file, let it install, include it, whatever)

I recommend SDLmm, a library that lets you acces and use media easier.
http://sdlmm.sourceforge.net/index.html
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdlmm/
http://wiser.cs.ccu.edu.tw/~hus/sdl/



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Posted: 5th Jun 2004 04:55
yeah, I just started messing around with SDL (http://www.libsdl.org/index.php) with VC++, it's amazingly easy to set up a window and start drawing pixels / blitting images.

so far I'm really impressed with the SDL library... if you're interested in 2D with C++, I highly recommend checking it out.

there's a great set of tutorials here:
http://cone3d.gamedev.net/cgi-bin/index.pl?page=tutorials/gfxsdl/index

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Posted: 5th Jun 2004 07:49
Well as my mate JessTicular had said, i have a free IDE. I am still building it but the more people that comment on it the more i can improove on it.
I had 3 downloads of it last night (thanks Jess!!) but the users did not sign up. If you have critisism of it, please tell me, don't just say it is rubbish, tell me what you think could be put into it. I will try my best to put your improovement in it and then release another version of it.

So if you want to help me build this into a huge easy to use IDE, download it and help me build it into a better system.

Cheers

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Posted: 5th Jun 2004 10:41
Oh and for the people that did download my IDE, if you read my post in the forums you will find details about the latest update to the IDE
http://darkbasic.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=32790&b=2&p=0

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Posted: 5th Jun 2004 18:24 Edited at: 5th Jun 2004 19:47
Quote: " I don't get why they used && instead of AND and || instead of OR"


Because C is the programmers language, and we don't want non-coders learning to code, so we kept it just cryptic enough so that they would stay away from the big boys language

Truth is, its cos they did, thats why. Well, actually, its probably cos there are two different versions of AND and OR (&& and ||, & and |)


Quote: "notice how there are two symbols for each comparison operator"


So what about:
|
&
<
>


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what is | and &?

I have never seen those before.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2004 19:44
& is bitwise && (AND)
| is bitwise || (OR)

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Posted: 5th Jun 2004 21:08 Edited at: 5th Jun 2004 21:09
any1 in here know how to set the enviroment variable "sdl_videodriver" to "dga"?
I know how to blit and all, but i've heard the dga driver gives a big speed boost, and don't have a clue how to change it.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2004 22:24
Thats the one Mr. Flibble, I'm just starting the GPDUMB Engine. It's a really informative book.
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Posted: 6th Jun 2004 00:54
I can't get SDL to work.

What settings am I meant to use?
Chris K
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Posted: 6th Jun 2004 21:09 Edited at: 6th Jun 2004 21:18
I got it working and it's cool.
I'm making a 3D engine for a Wolf 3D remake, it's going really well.

It's basically the same as DB but with more int's, ;'s and {'s

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Here's a little demo (100kb):

You need to put the .DLL in WINDOWS\SYSTEM32
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Posted: 6th Jun 2004 23:17
I'm coding depth of field into my engine so I made this blur function (I did it in DBPro for ease).

I think it's pretty cool:

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Posted: 8th Jun 2004 22:47
@chris knott
You may want look into this.
http://www.gamedev.net/info/news/FullStory.asp?StoryID=6287

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Posted: 9th Jun 2004 21:50
OK.
I've got a bit of a problem.
My 3D engine's going really well but one function's giving me grief.
It's a function for finding the relative grid positions of points based on the player position and angle.

The function works but it's extremely slow, it's slower than the same function in DBPro!

It uses quite a lot of trig (sin, cos & atan) and I think that's what's slowing it down.



The trig function are from math.h
They take in and give out a double, but I'm putting in and taking out a float - could that be slowing it down?

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