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Geek Culture / Meta-Generators vs. HTML

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Trekky Troog
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 04:17
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Here is something to PONDER about:

1. Using meta-generators to create professional looking websites, like yahoo site builder, or another professional generator.


OR

2. Using HTML to create sites. It may not look as good as a meta-generator sometimes, but it gets the job done.


Which do YOU like best????


I like using HTML to design my sites, because it is challenging.

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indi
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 04:51 Edited at: 10th Jun 2004 05:00
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meta tags are mainly used as indicators for search engines to find pages
html is the base language you would shell around other languages.
any application that helps you generate code could be forseen as a meta generation application eg: web / app both end up with teh same result.
at the end of the day html is the shell language used to create the site regardless of how the code was generated. js java php asp etc. just live inside html.


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Trekky Troog
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 04:54
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Well, when I say Meta generators, I am meaning Web-Site Generators, you know, like, Yahoo Site builder.
Which I have never looked at in my life.... ( )

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indi
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 04:59
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its the same for applications like dream weaver they all end up with the same result.

they generate code html / js / php etc..

you can do it all yourself by typing out the instructions, they just it a little quicker then normally by hand.


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CattleRustler
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 05:19
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I use dreamweaver mx as I hate writing html or anything web related (unless it's asp.net of course , but even that gets annoying)


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Manticore Night
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I prefer html, it's more flexible, as any programming language is.

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Newbie Brogo
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 06:10
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I use HTML, I find it more pleasing when I accomplish something of my own work. I can pat myself on the back and say, "Yay."

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Karlos
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I use perl to generate html and js on the fly.

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Dave J
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 12:26
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I used to do it purely with HTML but now-a-days I just simply don't have the time so I use Dreamweaver to create it and then often flip to the HTML text and only edit what I need to.


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Eric T
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 12:30
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i'm HTML all the way

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spooky
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 12:33
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I am still using Dreamweaver 4 (boss is too tight to update to MX but I'm slowly bringing him round). Like Exeat, I have the dreamweaver view split between design and HTML and flip between them as my HTML is sometimes better than dreamweavers.

I also use coldfusion to generate HTML on the fly (stuff like search routines on websites).

Site builders that use predetermined templates that you customise using a few web forms are just too limiting in my opinion but for the noob it is a godsend. Some of the newer builders actually produce some pretty nifty looking sites.


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Kentaree
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 12:35
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I prefer to handcode my html. A lot of the website generators create horrible html code which looks very bad.

Quote: "I prefer html, it's more flexible, as any programming language is."


Uhm, I disagree with this entirely. First html is not a programming language, but a markup language. The main difference is that its all non-dynamic, and hard-coded. And if you've seen some of the site-builders there, you will see they're very flexible, and add some features that are pretty advanced html.

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flibX0r
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Posted: 10th Jun 2004 12:49
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Quote: "A lot of the website generators create horrible html code which looks very bad"


And they stick a bit in called "generator" and then put themselves there, so people can tell when you've been cheap.

I'm like Exeat on this. I use Dreamweaver MX to do design stuff and for tags i can't remember (damn you tables)


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I don't use any one tool. My sites are now PHP driven, but I still use tools to generate includes and raw HTML, as well as hand-coding it. Believe it or not, many professional companies have FrontPage in their toolkit. Why? Because it's the easiest way to generate all the baggage that comes with ActiveX controls.

I belive in the Best of Breed approach. That's why I also have everything from Corel to cheap apps for graphics work.

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Trekky Troog
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Posted: 12th Jun 2004 02:35
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I change my mind. I like HTML and Website Generators.

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Manticore Night
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Posted: 12th Jun 2004 02:54
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Quote: "you will see they're very flexible, and add some features that are pretty advanced html."
Well there aren't very many that lets you put in Java applets, and I'm thinking of reprogramming my site in java(with interactive stuff).

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David T
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Posted: 13th Jun 2004 00:40
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Site builders produce sites that look horrendous.

HTML does not: http://designingthe.net <-- example

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Newbie Brogo
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Posted: 13th Jun 2004 01:51
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I still like HTML. Meta generators always seem to use bad complex code, when in HTML it could take 1 command...
I agree with David, site builder websites do look rather ugly...
HTML all the way... Woot...

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