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Franky MCLanky
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considering using DBpro for tasks other than games and would prefer it not to rely on Dx. Could anyone tell me exactly how much of DBpro is Directx reliant?

e.g. is there certain commands that use it or does every executable need Directx?
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Its 110% reliant on DirectX...


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Posted: 18th Jun 2004 00:01
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Indeed. DBPro is ultimately about creating games and/or multimedia applications.

2D, 3D, Input, Sound, Networking, Lighting and 3D Maths all use the DirectX libraries.

DBPro exes will not run on machines without DirectX 9 installed.

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To answer more directly - you can't even start a DBPro program without DirectX 9 being installed. It uses DirectX at pretty much every level.

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Posted: 18th Jun 2004 00:35 Edited at: 18th Jun 2004 00:35
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And to add to that, you pretty much need DirectX 9.0b or c
Whilst it will work with 9.0, the later ones fix display problems.

Oh, and before you ask, you cant get DX9.0c yet - only myself and Raven (as far I know) have it.


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Posted: 18th Jun 2004 00:47
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Quote: "considering using DBpro for tasks other than games"


This is perfectlly feasible (especially with Blue GUI to make your program look like a windows app), but again the computers MUST have DirectX 9 installed.

If you really don't want to Use Direct X I would have to suggest using either C++ or Visual Basic.

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thanks people! i haven't decided what to use for any planned utilities. I do know a bit of VB and C/C++ so if it comes to it , i may use one of them. Pity as DBpro has some very useful time saving commands.
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If you want to create applications that do not use 3D, then there are probably more suitable languages. DBPro was created to fill one particular void in the market.

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i looked at Blue GUI. It looks very useful and its cheap so i may order it. I'm sure that ill always be using DBpro even if i move on to other languages as well, its just so quick to get ideas down.
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I suggested that DB Pro is not reliant on DirectX if you don't use DirectX functionality. Not because I develop non-DirectX progs (that would be non-sensical, there's better languages for doing that), but so that I can write code modules, such as number-crunching stuff, on my laptop when I'm out and about.

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Quote: "considering using DBpro for tasks other than games"

Sorry, but I don't think DBP is very good for another other than "multimedia" apps. If you're thinking you're trying to learn how to right simple windows applications, then look elsewhere. I can't imagine releasing a "calculator" application which uses DX9 and 100MB of RAM when running.

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lol. who would want to make a calculator, unless you are a mathematition, there is not much scope for any new functionality.

i meant multimedia apps, just things other than games
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Hey it's Fred and Barney together in one post!
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Posted: 18th Jun 2004 22:21
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Quote: "i meant multimedia apps, just things other than games"


There is no multimedia without DirectX (not unless to intent to avoid the use of sound, 2D or 3D)

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im sure there is multimedia without Directx?, just not as efficient for real-time
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Quote: " im sure there is multimedia without Directx?, just not as efficient for real-time"


Yes, but then the developers would be forced to program and maintain two entirely seperate systems, with all the bugs and hardware issues that could bring.

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Thats all strange i have directx 8.1 and it all runs just fine but however i think it does cause a problem with loading images and bitmaps and i have disabled directx before and it still ram fine including my programs
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Quote: "and i have disabled directx before and it still ram fine including my programs"


You can't disable DirectX. You can turn off hardware acceleration, which might stop 3D from working, but that is all. DirectX then simply defaults to software acceleration where it can.

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If you are running DX8.1, then you can't have the latest DBPro updates installed ... therefore your image loading problems are your own problem

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i installed dx 9.0b and it fixed it thanks for pointing out its for dx 9.0
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