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Cian Rice
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This is something we need for the newcomers section...
Pretty much it would be a forum where a bunch of tutorials would be posted...
It could have a huge range, RPGs to simple capture the flag with built in primitives, and other things like editing lights and sound positioning along with camera editing...
And maybe more advanced versions of Monster Hunt and various other stuff.
Also we could have tuts for 3D Modelers that can be used in both DB and CShop Tuts, along with Exgen, geoscape, if people think its a good idea I can make a template for people to follow...
ANiME BLOOD

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I've been thinking about making a simple website + message board for darkBasic users which would allow them to share models, textures, sprites, images, get help with their code, and a series of forums for tutorials on different subjects of programming in DarkBasic.

The reason I've been thinking this is because it's a huge pain to find anything to use with DarkBasic and the amount of actual tutorials isn't very good. If you do a search on the web for textures you either find background tiles for webpages, or 3000x3000 sized textures for people who use 3DS-Max modelling pictures and movies. If you do a search on the web for 3D models you will either find ones where you need to pay or the models are around the 20,000 polygon range for modelling and not game programming and when you do find some good models for use in a game they are not in a compatible format and you need to buy a 3D modelling package to change the format of the model, etc. etc. etc. I could keep going as to the reasons why I'm wanting to pull a central resource together. The code snippets on this site are semi-useful, the commands reference isn't very useful at all for learning (though they are nice for syntax-checking), and there's only a few good tutorials for making real games (but they are only one-level type games, which can cause confusion to anyone wanting to make more than a technology demo), and there's hardly any tutorials on how to optimize code to make it run faster. I'm only talking about the 3D stuff here, try doing something in 2D and see if you don't want to pull your hair out.
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Posted: 20th Jun 2004 16:41
That's the exact reason I want this thread to come thru, maybe you and me could make a webiste and message board together and have it hotlinked off this forum, but I say we should only make if if people think it willl succeed and be a good idea...

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It'd be nice to have something like this. For some reason the DarkBASIC Pro tutorials, don't really help to make anything, they just teach you how to do random things. It'd be nice to have a monster hunt for DBPro.

John "Dark Lord of Angel Destroying Destiny" Pringlebee, maybe?
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Good, two people are liking the idea, if alot of people like it, then I'll set this plan into motion...

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Anime Blood: I've decided to start working on the site. I'm going to use Invision Power Board 2.0 for the message board and use it to syndicate news to the front page of the site, the rest will need to be coded and I cannot set any time-frame on how long that would take. I'll keep you informed of when I get the site uploaded on a public site (I'm working from my local webserver), maybe we could work on some tutorials and stuff once it's semi-working
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Does anyone knows of any good (preferabbly free) hosts which allow EXEs and stuff like that? I would appreciate it
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What about PHPbb?
I here it's much better, but invision is good too.
We need a name for the boards though,
heres a list:
DBtutBASE
DarkTutor - The Dark BASIC tutorial database
ahh, that's all I can think of...
Email me the link to the board, I don't know of any good hosts though that allow uploading of exe's.
We'll have to find one over the net.

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phpBB isn't better than Invision Power Board in my experience, it's several underpowered and not user friendly at all in comparison with the likes of Invision Power Board and vBulletin. The only benefits that phpBB has over Invision Power Board, that I've seen, is that you can change it's source code and distribute it, and the skinning system is *slightly* better but to achieve the same functionality as VB or IPB you would need to modify it a LOT. phpBB is really just a bare-bones system which is made to be added on to, where IPB/VB are complete packages trying to accomodate the most popular demands. If I were to modify phpBB, it would be to achieve the same functionality that IPB provides by default (such as multi-quote), so I see no point in it. Anyways, it's not necessarily the forum software that makes the community

As for the name, I haven't quite thought about that yet. I was going to reserve branding until I get a bit of the site done. I know that DBtutBase will not be used because nobody would search for that (on a search engine). It needs to be something similar to what people would search for, like Dark-Basic-Resource or something like that. It needs to be search engine friendly so that people can find it easier (which relates to more people submitting content). I will keep thinking of names as I'm working on the site, if you have any more ideas then let me know
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Posted: 21st Jun 2004 08:09 Edited at: 21st Jun 2004 08:11
Let us know if we can help

We have a tutorial section underway. It's not specific to DB, but delvs into 3D mathematics. We also have a link to Emperor-Baal's site there.

Page at: http://www.nuclearglory.com/tutorials.php

A code-base is in the plans too.

If you need help with hosting we can assist you there. We can also help promote your material if it comes out decent.

My only request is that you don't back out of the plan down the road. It's a shame to see these things come apart.

Email at: mdd@nuclearglory.com

All the best on your work

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Anime Blood: I have changed my mind about Invision Power Board 2.0. While IPB2 is still in the development stages, I expected some of the bugs that I reported to have been fixed by now (since they fixed 100 semi-serious bugs within the last two public development releases) but they haven't (mostly concerning Opera and editing skins, which is strange because about half of the IPS team are Opera users). I'm going to use IPB 1.3, I've used it before and I know for a fact that it's stable and has no bugs which would drive me nutty lol. Also, I've got the design done in Photoshop, I just need to craft the HTML for the design and start working on the server-side stuff. I will post a screenshot of the design in a short while for feedback.

nuclear glory: No need to worry about me backing out. A good resource for DarkBasic is dearly needed. I will send you an email either today or tomorrow because I should have the forums setup and syndicating news to the front page in a couple of hours, then I'll probably spend a day crafting the HTML for the website design and skin the message board (the message board is quite big and it might take longer than a day, since I'm a perfectionist)



I will reply with a screenshot of the design at this point in time
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There it is (still haven't decided on a name). As you can see from the screenshot, a part of the navigation bar is highlighted. That highlighted part will show a dropdown menu which will powered by CSS alone in Opera and Mozilla, while a small bit of JavaScript is used to overcome IE's lack of CSS support (conditional comments are used so that only IE users will need to load the JS). The right side of the logo will have the last 5 topics from the message board (which will hopefully increase activity a bit, while giving more to search engines to find). The rest of the layout should be self-explanatory. Hope you like it
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Posted: 21st Jun 2004 15:12
Looks awesome, well I'm stuck for names...
That's all I have to say.

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@megamanx
Sounds good, I look forward to it.

Quote: "the message board is quite big and it might take longer than a day, since I'm a perfectionist"


lol, I understand that. I'll wait

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Guys we need to spread the idea so we can get members Mussi and stuff to join and help other noobs and experianced coders alike, that way the board will gain popularity...
We should also send an email survey for what name people would like, for the boards...

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AnimeBlood: Glad you like it

Nuclear Glory: Alrighty, cool. I've already started skinning the message board. I've gotten the logo and dropdown menus done so far, about to start working on the category and statistics blocks. Most of the time that I've spent on it so far has been optimizing the code, such as removing unwanted tables for css-based alternatives, cleaning up the CSS that is there by default, etc. Once that is done I can start working on the server-side stuff for the rest of the site, such as pulling news articles from the forum, the texture and model archives, etc. Your hosting does offer php and mySQL support right? If so, what version of mySQL are you running (hopefully the 4.0 series since it supports query caching and fulltext indexing which will drastically lower the server load)?

Anime Blood: Promotion for the site shouldn't begin yet, because there isn't anything to show and even if there was, it probably wouldn't be ready to be publicized since I want to do a bunch of search engine optimization (SEO) to it before search engines are able to find it. It's important to start off as strong as possible. As for the name, I've been thinking that "Dark Resource" is simple and memorable, what do you think?
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@megamanx
Quote: "Your hosting does offer php and mySQL support right?"


Yes. Those are my personal preference

Quote: "If so, what version of mySQL are you running?"


We're on a few different servers.

One of our servers uses MySQL version 4.0.18-standard, we can put you on that one.

Are you planning on setting up a domain name for the site?

At sometime within the next 6 months we may be doing a large scale server switch to some newly configured systems. This may result in some minor reprogramming for the website software. Just design the code to be fairly modular so it can be moved to a new location with minor adjustments. (IE: Don't code the full server paths in each script, instead, use a config file or similar setup with relative include paths, etc...)

Let's see... names...

"DB Resource Haven"
"DB Resource Masters"
"DB Resource Paradise"
"DB Archives of Paradise"
"DB Resource Refuge" (DBRR, lol)

Just brain storming quickly... It's good to be simple, just avoid being bland otherwise it'll get too common/easy and nobody will remember it.

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Being put on the 4.0 server would be good. I don't want to cause any more stress on the servers than I have to (especially for searching). I probably will get a domain name when the time comes. As for the server change, there's no need to worry about it. I ALWAYS make a configuration file for server-side scripts and always use relative paths for includes/requires/images/css/js/whatever, I prefer to do a lot of the hard work at the beginning so that maintenance isn't a chore later. I know from experience, moved servers 3 times on my last site and the first time was pure hell lol.
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I hear that. Some of the internal website engines we moved were just beasts and would fall apart on the transfer. After about the 4th move it was boiled down to a science and the big massive engine had become a little tiny script, lol. Was it the 1st move that someone said to me "one day you'll look back on this and laugh"?...

Let me know when you want me to set you up. Just email me the details (username/password/etc..) and I'll plug you in.

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Somebody just register daCodez.com and stick all the tuts on there.

"eureka" - Archimedes
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daCodez? lol. No thanks, I don't want a site which sounds like it's run down by 12-year-old "master programmerz" :p
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I like DBRR, sounds good.
Yeah, DaCodez, is a bit stupid...

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DBR Forums Screenshot

I am still working on the message board skin. It is taking a bit longer than I expected. At the current rate, it might be a few more days (not a promise). I think I'm going to change the colors of the dropdown menu since it doesn't quite match. If you have any suggestions then please let me know.

NG: I'm firing off an email to you right now
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Your link is broken. I replied with info, let me know if you have trouble.

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http://mmdbr.topcities.com/dark-resource-community.png

Copy and paste the link into a new window. I think they have hotlinking disabled. I have referrer logging disabled in [url=www.opera.com]Opera[/url] because of crap like that, it's a very handy option

I'm tired right now, so I'll verify all of the information that you've sent back to me tomorrow when I wake up
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Looks real nice and clean. Great work

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Wow, that's really lookin good, and in just a few days! I can't wait till it's open, you guys are doing really good.

Pentium4 3GHZ, 512MB DualChannel RAM, 256MB ATI Radeon 9800XT, SoundBlaster Audigy2, 120 GB HD.
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Mike and Manhunt: Thanks for the feedback. I worked on the design for another two hours after I said that I would go to sleep so I've gotten some more done (forum index is half done, topic view is about 1/3 done). I doubt I will work on the site at all today, I only gotten 4 hours of sleep because my nephew pounded on my door for 30 minutes at 6 in the morning and now my eyes are burning like the fires in hell lol. ANYWAYS... :p

If anyone has any suggestions for the site then please let me know. Also, if you have any textures that you have *created* (had to emphasize that) and wish to share, then please upload them on a site somewhere. The textures will need to be a base of 2 (64x64, 128x128, 256x256, 512x512, etc). Also state your name, website address (if applicable), and how the textures may be used (noncommercial only, noncommercial and commercial, or public domain). By the time I get around to coding the texture archive, I hope to have content to put in there. I've already put together about 10 textures within the last few days which will be free for any use.

To create a texture from an image using Photoshop, simply go to Filters->Offset and make sure that it will wrap around vertically and horizontally. For the dimensions, type in 1/2 of the dimensions of the original image (for example: if image is 256x256 then type 128x128. This will move half of the texture to the other side of the image so you can effectively see the seams), then apply the filter. Now, select the healing brush tool and alt-click somewhere in the image and then use the brush to paint over the whole image, this will correct any misalignment issues and your texture is done. Simply save it.

Also, please do not attempt to share textures that you have not created yourself (unless they are public domain and you can provide proof) because you do not own distribution rights otherwise.

I hope to see some textures to share!
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The site screenie was frickin' amazing, I think this will be the best thing that DBowners could get from a site...

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Glad you think so AB


I have taken a break from skinning the message board, the inflexibility of the post buttons (new topic, new poll, add reply, etc.) was giving me a headache. The HTML code for the posting buttons is done inside of the source code instead of being part of the skin (*smacks the developers with a large trout!*) so I'd have to hack around the source code to remove that nonsense in order to have nongraphical post buttons. Not to mention that they are not aligning to the right side of the page the way that I want them to, but they worked just fine with the graphical buttons (which is very strange). I'm thinking about keeping it this way until I can get a screenshot of the nongraphical buttons then save them as images so they will look exactly the same but I can avoid the headaches of hacking around the source code and doing CSS-massacre

I started coding the structure of the main site. I've gotten the framework done (making it modular for maintenance reasons, plus it allows me to easily add new sections if they are needed) and I'm starting on the homepage module right now. I've gotten the skinning system working (this was done to remove the design from logic, making it a lot easier to modify the look of the site) and I've gotten a very minimalistic database module working (connecting to mySQL, selecting the database, and closing the database, query stuff is in the works). It's coming together pretty fast and painless

I'll post a screenshot of the homepage when I've gotten the database and homepage modules finished
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OKay, I still stand by it being awesome, I think anyone reading this forum is awaiting it's arrival! I can post an ad in a forum me and some friends are making about scifi,anime,gaming,and gear...
It has a small Dbsection and anyone there will probably want to see it.

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Any updates to the Dark BASIC Resourse Site?
Please don't tell me this is dead...

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No, it's not dead. Though, progress has been slow because I've been working on the plumbing over at my sister's new house, what a pain. I've finished the database module and the homepage is almost finished (it's now pulling news from the message board, smilies and all), just need to pull one more set of data from the message board for the "Latest Topics" section at the top right of the page, which shouldn't take very long at all. I'll probably start working on the texture gallery next, it's quite possibly the hardest part of this whole project and might take a while to complete, considering that I'm still working on my sister's house and fixing up my own house for a family get-together in a few days

I'm going to clean up the forums right now (I filled it with junk so I could test the news syndication) and then make the first actual news entry (DBR launch) so I can take a decent-looking screenshot of the homepage when it's complete.

So, no, the project is not dead, just slowed down a little bit because of the house work that needs to be done
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Phew, that's good, guess I'll go back to playing KoTor...

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MegamanX,

I finished chapter 1 of my tutorial, although I need to fix some typing errors and such. I will be moving onto chapter 2 between today and tomorrow. I also have some medai mainly .bmps and tiles that I need to find some hosting space for.

I would like to see if your offer is still an option. To host the tutorial and would you be able to host some .zip files for the media that is require. If space is a concern I can try to compress them better or change the image format to something other than .bmp.

Well thanks for your time and comments

sincerely
~Zenassem

[edit] I forgot to mention that I am going to try to make code examples for both DB and DBpro.[end edit]


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@zenassem

If you have good tuts, we (at NG) will be happy to host the files for you.

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Nuclear glory,
Right now it's in a live format in the "2d All the way board" it's a sticky at the top. "2D principles with DB / DBpro". Please have a look and possibly feedback. I am moving onto chapter 2 which is going to be interesting. Chapter 2 is all about building a map-editor. I think it's possibly one of the only tutorials in DB that is going to discuss how to create one's own developement tools ie. "Tile~Forge" the mapmaker, & "Sprite~Forge" a sprite animation frame editor.

~Zen


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Looks very thorough and useful.

I would be happy to setup hosting for your material. We can setup web access too if you want to update the content yourself (if you're familiar with webpage creation, etc...). Your content is certainly deserving of a webpage for widespread & easy access.

We plan on putting up an "all languages" codebase as well. Your material will be welcome there once the codebase is prepared.

Let me know how you'd like to proceed and we'll move.

(IE: You want a web hosting account to setup a website for your material. You just want us to upload some zipped files to our server for download. Etc...)

You may contact me directly via email too. Email address on my profile.

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Hello, I think your idea is great. before I found darkbasic i made games in warcraft 3. i used a site called www.wc3campaigns.com .it is exactly like what you wanted to do with your website. its been around for years, just thought youd like to know, for ideas or such.

Good luck
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Got to bring the thread back to life!
Hey MegamanX how's the progress?

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Hey first of all I have to say wow that snapshot looks awesome!
Im not too familiar witht he programs that you use to create the webpages, but I really want to get updated on that. Im also a supernoob to the programming world and think that the DBRR is a superb idea. I think that I would be very interested in supporting a group like this whether financially or mentally, emotionally (haha) if I could learn all this cool stuff that you guys do. Id love to contribute. Hit me back and let me know whats up.

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I know its a bit late to post this, but im working on a site... www.DarkBasicTutorialz.bravehost.com
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Can't wait to see your site Skierdemon.

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Couldn't Resist...
Here it goes...
*bump*

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Megaman, you said it would only take about 3 days and that was looonnng ago. What's going on, has the site died?

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Bump!

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Every one I thought I'd use this forum to annouce Plugged Forums, just cuz this Tutorial Database is dead (or maybe Megaman X )
Plugged is a message board with anime,music,cool gear, and movies.
Also it has a BlitZ Basic and Dark Basic Forum, if people will join the first ten will get modding power, first five getting globalb modding power. Also if enough DarkBASIC users join I will set up a resource and tutorials section of the Dark BASIC side of the forum so heres the link
http://plugged.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi

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Joined: 18th Jul 2004
Location: FL, USA
Posted: 29th Jul 2004 00:02 Edited at: 29th Jul 2004 00:51
Hello? Its been 6 days now... . I hope you haven't given up... oh wait you are probably at the family reunion thing so my bad. I was just hoping that you guys hadnt left.


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Oliver
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Joined: 24th Nov 2002
Location: Switzerland
Posted: 31st Jul 2004 00:49
Hey Anime BLOOD, I tried to register at your website but it didn't work . Anyway, if you want I could set up a website at dbspot for news, tutorials, members, forums etc. All I would have to do is make a copy of my current website, it would take 10 mins, and I could easily change the style. The website is really simple to run, and you can have more than one administrator, so this project wouldnt die if i where to go missing . Tell me if your interested,

Oliver
Cian Rice
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Posted: 30th Aug 2004 05:55 Edited at: 30th Aug 2004 05:57
Sorry for the late reply, sure that would good, newbs really need a central site for tutorials like Curved BASIC. Also, I think Plugged is a failed Experiment, not many people joined and the ones who did, they didn't even post, it was like I was talking to myself.

Got anime?I do.

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