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Richard Davey
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Hi all,

The Diaries from DBDN are now live on the Developer Network site. You can read them all going back to the very start (although you'll have to click "previous" a lot of times).

http://developer.thegamecreators.com

Cheers,

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Rob K
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Posted: 5th Jul 2004 05:22
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Hi Rich,

Can we have the option to view:

A) Entries by month
B) Media posted by a particular author


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Posted: 5th Jul 2004 05:36
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Not for a few weeks. I don't have the time.

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Is the only thing different on the DBDN network the dairies??

Just thought there was a lot of secret code etc and hush hush stuff for developers???

Unless they are still hush hush??

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Posted: 5th Jul 2004 05:44
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There were the downloads (which will not be made public), the codebase and the forums as well. The whole point of DBDN was giving you the downloads/info BEFORE everyone else, and it did that for several years. The diaries are the only part we are making "public". The forums contained private information, the codebase is already on Dev Net in another form and the downloads will remain the one thing that DBDNers got that no-one else will.

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Another "Nice" thing when time allows would be to see the latest entries on the developer page for each of the diarys and you can click on the diaries to get previous ones.

Cheers,

Jas

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Just found the Dance demo in the downloads part??

Is that supposed to be there?

Hmmmm, why don't you make the good demos available, it would be a good source of decent tutorials I think, which is saddly missing

Well that is until the book is out!

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Quote: "Hmmmm, why don't you make the good demos available, it would be a good source of decent tutorials I think, which is saddly missing"


There aren't any "good" demos with source which haven't already been released in one form or another to the general public. Most of the demos in the early days were tech demos without source.


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okay

Guess it's just the dairies then
Will these be updated still??

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Posted: 5th Jul 2004 09:11
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Yes they will be updated constantly.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2004 13:45 Edited at: 5th Jul 2004 13:45
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This is great to see. Nice work with setting this up Rich.

After reading a few entries though, all I can say is that Lee really loves pizza.



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Posted: 5th Jul 2004 14:50 Edited at: 5th Jul 2004 14:54
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Awesome Rich!
although it seems like every period is followed by a question mark:

Lee Dev Diary
Date: Friday 2nd Jul 2004

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Given the success of the bugweek method of tracking progress, I have decided to incorporate the process into my scheduling of work for FPSC and other tasks.? From here on it, until such time as requests or moods change the quo-de-status, I shall report my progress through a list of timestamped actions.? It should be very clear from there where I am at each part of the day rather than a ramble which is my usual format.? Here we go:

11:00 Woke to prepare for meeting with Rick, catching up time
14:00 Meeting finished, some ideas discussed regarding FPSC plan to the end of September
15:00 Answered emails and responded to TGC online issues
16:30 Updated schedules and improved method of progress tracking
16:45 Updated the Source Safe stuff so all code is syncronised again for U5.4 onwards
17:15 Caught up on FPSC media sent to me and verified it. New AIKO anim and some corridors and doors from Simon
17:40 Updated Mike on requirements for the next few FPSC interface versions - will get stuck into the toolbar issue shortly
17:50 Booked accomodation at the ship hotel in CHICHESTER for the UK convention which I have decided to attend
18:20 Drafted the way the new Segment Construction System will work - so walls are easier to make and doors easier to add
23:48 Ate for two hours then continued, working on the New Segment Builder System for easier walls and floor - coming along well
00:01 The old system of internal 1 and internal 2 segments confused Rick no end, new system is ten times better - and working!

Something like this, completely extracted from my speadsheet and quite detailed you will agree.? No mention of tea should intrude and you get the picture you want to see (i think) day by day.? Saturday morning I will do some segment overlay work, then a wedding do I must attend.? Must go and eat pizza now..."


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What about Ravey's Diary? Looking forward to see what
Ravey has to say.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2004 16:41 Edited at: 5th Jul 2004 22:36
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haha, I doubt that'll be put up...

Remember? Ravey's on a top-secret project, lol.

That'll be put up when they tell us what he's working on.

Jess.

[EDIT] Hehe, I called him Rabey


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Quote: "Another "Nice" thing when time allows would be to see the latest entries on the developer page for each of the diarys"


Nah, they vary in size too much - just click the left-hand menu or diary and you can read the latest one and page back to your hearts content.

Cheers,

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I wonder if it's possible to make the diaries kind of like the forums by making the lastest entries blue. Maybe even have it take us to the oldest entry we haven't read when we enter a diary. Although, then you would need to put a "Mark all as read" link so we don't have to go through them all.

It obviously isn't neccesary, but it would be a nice touch.
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There are plenty of things I could do but they're not going to happen for a while, too many other things going on atm.

Cheers,

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So what about Ravey? I want to hear some info on some of the things he is doing.

Any idea on when this will happen Rich?

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I'm buying Lee a burger at the convention, that dude eats far too much Italian food!.


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You'll lose a bit of weight getting there then - the McDonalds in town has now closed, so the only ones availiable are the two drive-throughs, both on the edge of town.


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A town with only 2 McDonalds! - WTF Ronald, you'll never poison a nation with that attitude!.

It's cool though, I have my freebie Big-Mac from last weekend sitting in the fridge, he can have that.


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I'm sure he'll love it...


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As a long time lurker (Anyone remember Amos on the Amiga I have to say I really like the the direction that TGC is heading now. The release of the developer diaries has renewed my faith in DBpro, and I actually managed to get interested again, and add a few hundred lines of code to my *game* (no it'd not a MMORPG . If only I more time, but my 50 hour a week job is cutting into my programming time Ah well only 20 years, and I can retire, and I hope DBpro is around then in some form, so I can continue with my programming hobby.

Kudos Lee, et all , and here's hoping FPSC is a big hit for you, so you can devote some more time to DBpro!


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You only work 50 hours a week? Must be nice. around 65 here. But I agree with you totally.

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Sheesh! You guys work too hard

Quote: "and here's hoping FPSC is a big hit for you, so you can devote some more time to DBpro"


Mike is spending a lot of time for the next few months pushing out fixes and enhancements to us guys, and most of the stuff that Lee is putting into FPS Creator is being used to improve DBPro (they use the same librarys), so it's already happening

I must say though, that I'm missing tea and pizza from Lees diary already ... and who won the last on-going pool night?

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Ian - yeah, I'm not too keen on this new "by the hour" way either. I'll ask him to change back to his old style when he's back from holiday It's up to him though!

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Having purchased Dark Basic Professional and trying to learn to program with the manual accompanying it was a nightmare, so I went out and got myself the book Beginners guide to Dark Basic, am currently reading it and find it holds my hand a lot better in gettig started.

The DarkBasic Trial version accompanying it has a lot many tutorials that look a lot more simpler and easier to understand for a beginner.

This got me thinking as to whether I should have purchased DarkBasic full version 1.13 instead of DarkBasic Professional, as the DarkBasic full version 1.13 supplies a Tutorial book and an Example Demo CD.

I would appreciate if anyone could advise me if this Tutorial Book and Demo CD advertised with the DarkBasic Full version 1.13 would prove more helpful in learning DarkBasic in which case I would buy this full version to ease the learning curve.

It would mean I would own both DarkBasic Fullversion 1.13 as well as DarkBasicProfessional, but now with the lack of material available I have no other choice.

Look forward to your advise.

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DB original is pretty much defunct now in terms of support and speed.

I do have to say that the documentation is a little poorer with Pro, however I think they're writing a book atm to help rectify this.

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I thought the idea of the Convention was to pour beer down the throats of the following:

1. Lee, for DBPro and just generally;
2. Mike, because;
3. TCA, for organising it all.

????

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Quote: "3. TCA, for organising it all."

Fine by me as I wont be paying...


I came, I saw and I forgot all about it... or something...
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Yes but you've spent a lot of time organising it so you deserve some kind of reward.

Maybe we'll all let you win the coding competition?

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That'll be fair...


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