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Zero Blitzt
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It doesnt look hard (heck, it's just like BASIC! Or, some mutant Basic-C++ thing), but there is so much I need to do for a functional site.

I guess what I am going to try and do is write an admin page, and from there you could add news to the main page, add a new poll (or change an existing one), add links, etc. I wonder how hard this would be. After I have a good main site, I would like to add a user login system (sort of like TGC) where members could view their current projects, submitted source code, and message board posts (if I could ever write a message board).

I have one month until school starts again. I guess I should get started... I will keep you all updated.


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It is not hard, and very fun once you get it down. If you would like I could point you to websites / books.

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A few things you need to note:

1. It's a derivative of c, not basic.
2. You'll need a server that supports PHP, and you'll need some sorta SQL database support, else it'll be tough to do much with it.
3. You need to have a look into sessions ($_SESSION) as they are fundamental to any sort of PHP based login system. They're a little confusing and tough at first, but you'll get the hang of them with some research and practice.

Hope some of that helps.

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@Mattman: At first I used www.php.net, then moved to www.w3school.com (or was it www.w3schools.com?). I'd appreciate any more links, the more the better!

@Fallout: Well, may as well answer these in order.
1. Hmm, yeah, it just seemed so easy... well, anyway.
2. Jimmy's Good Old Fashioned Hosting Service has PHP enabled, as does my other site (which seems to have been moved, because I can't even get to my root folder. Good thing I got that space for free...). The web hosting plan I'm looking at now also has PHP 4.10 (I believe that is what they are running now). Almost every server runs PHP (that I know of), it's the web language of the future.
3.Thanks, that will come in handy


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Hey, I recently found a good PHP script that has a registration system, a login system, logout system, and a remember me feature. You need MySQL to host the database, though.
http://www.evolt.org/article/PHP_Login_Script_with_Remember_Me_Feature/17/60265/index.html
It also has a bunch of other scripts that are good for beginners. Enjoy, hope I helped some .

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Make sure you download the manual of php off php.net. That thing will help you a ton (it doesnt come with php).
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It's www.w3schools.com .
That site helped me(and i'm still looking at the tutorial).

Anyone know any site that could teach me how to make a game in php(not an RPG or MMORPG)?

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Two books I have are Essential PHP for Web Professionals by Christopher Cosentino (my dads) and PHP4 A Beginner's Guide by Bill McCarty (mine) Reconmend both, second one is more-indepth and better for complete beginners.

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http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/learningzone/php/php_index.html

If you can look past the fact that the tutorial is hosted on a porn site, it's actually quite good.


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May I ask how you found that? LOL

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Quote: "1. It's a derivative of c, not basic. "

Yeah, I know I'm nitpicking this too much but PHP is actually a derivative of Perl not C directly.
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Yeah, but my host doesn't allow forums using files to hold information like that. They promote PHP and ASP forums.


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Flat files are very intensive on server operation.

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My advice is not to use any copy-and-paste solution. Start from scratch. Download the PHP interpreter package from www.php.net and make some silly, non-HTML scripts on your local computer. Learn the wonders of print_r and foreach. Embrace eregi. And last but not least, give multi-dimensional associative arrays a big hug from me.

If you spend just a couple of hours really trying hard to understand how the basics work, *everything* else will fall into place and *you* will be writing the tutorials - it really is that straight forward.

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Agreed - and when you download the manual, make sure you get the Windows CHM version - then you can search it! So much easier, I have it open all the time

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What's wrong with this:

<php?

switch (date (j))
{
case 1:
echo ( date (l)." ".date (F)." "."1st,".date (Y) );
break;

case 2:
echo ( date (l)." ".date (F)." "."2nd,".date (Y) );
break;

case 3:
echo ( date (l)." ".date (F)." "."3rd,".date (Y) );
break;

default:
echo ( date (l)." ".date (F)." ".date(j)."th,".date (Y) );
}
?>

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What does it say is wrong?

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It sais this when I load the page:

" ) switch (date (j)) { case 1: echo ( date (l)." ".date (F)." "."1st,".date (Y) ); break; case 2: echo ( date (l)." ".date (F)." "."2nd,".date (Y) ); break; case 3: echo ( date (l)." ".date (F)." "."3rd,".date (Y) ); break; default: echo ( date (l)." ".date (F)." ".date(j)."th,".date (Y) ); } ?>

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ermm...

First line.

You have: <php?

I believe it is supposed to be <?php


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Can't believe I missed that I usually take it for granted PHP tags are correct

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It works!

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I don't know which languages you can speak, but if you speak french, I would highly recommend this page : http://www.asp-php.net/
Very good tutorials and allways the similar asp code next to the php code


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Hmm, that Compiled HTML guide from php.net doesnt tell me how to manipulate MySQL tables (like adding, deleting, modifying the tables).


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What are you trying to do?

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Well, like I stated in my first post, I am going to make an entire web of... pages. I need to make an admin page that I can control the site from (adding/deleting news, adding links, etc). I need to have some way to have members sign up, and when they do sign up, I need to write their information to a row in a table in a database. Then, when they input their username and password, I need to check it against the one in the database.


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Change $sql to be your SQL query, and you're away.

Oh, and the PHP help file won't explain about manipulating tables, because that's down to SQL :p

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Quote: "Hmm, that Compiled HTML guide from php.net doesnt tell me how to manipulate MySQL tables (like adding, deleting, modifying the tables)."


That's because you should be looking in the MySQL manual.

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Got there just before you rich

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*Gasp*

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I see. Thank you for your help.

Rich, wasn't there a link to a "PHP For Beginners" book on this site before? There was a little blurb about it, said somethin like "Why is PHP important? Well, this site was made in PHP."--etc. I guess I don't need it now (I've downloaded a few help files and 1 e-book on PHP already), but I can't seem to find it anywhere and it annoys me.

Thanks again


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im learning PHP, very fun and awarding, i made a small logon feature that uses sessions with dreamweaver (http://pulse.dbspot.com/index.php - the frames are meant to empty) and currently im making a complete site with no tables using PHP ([href]http://pulse.dbspot.com/new site/index.php[/href]) which isnt completed.

David T's site is good for small bits of help (despite broken links ) and I use Dreamweaver to code in (it has a very useful FTP feature).

Anyway. I find just repeatedly trying things until they work the best way of NOT making those mistakes . W3schools is good.

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Quote: "David T's site is good for small bits of help (despite broken links ) and I use Dreamweaver to code in (it has a very useful FTP feature)."


People go to my site!?! Where do you get the address?!? I hardly ever publicise it I only had a link to it on my old web site; there's no link to it now. Which reminds me, must put one up.

Regarding broken links, if it's broken then most likely it's not written yet :/

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the links go to the wrong things, i like ur site and i think i found it on a search engine or maybe something else. it was ages ago, (ps i found cybercat first). If you want me to i can list the broken links that I've found.

I've just upgraded the /new site/ part of my site to show the umcompletion (dunno the right word for that)

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[EDIT] I've done the whole new site bit today and i changed the way i write sites in that time - very wierd (using divs instead of tables etc)

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Quote: "search engine or maybe something else. it was ages ago, (ps i found cybercat first). "


That's good to hear! Search engines doing their job.

Hmm I think the killing tables link goes to another page, primarily because I never got round to writing it and put in a space filler.

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i just looked at ur source, noticed the use of div and tried it myself + the CSS navbar tut is slightly wrong, whati had (pasted into dreamweaver to check) looked different to the progress pics

so any comments about my site anyone?

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I highly suggest having a look at evolt.org.. they have very easy to understand PHP scripts for beginners, and the authors are usually nice guys.

This one script I found has a registration, a login (with remember me feature), and logout options.
http://www.evolt.org/article/PHP_Login_Script_with_Remember_Me_Feature/17/60265/index.html

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I hoped on the bandwagon and started learning more php.

It's a really fun language.


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@The Lynx: While that could be helpful, i'd like to code my own scripts. It would be more useful for me to learn PHP and learn from my mistakes then to try and see what someone else's script is doing. I may check it out to get a general idea (do action A here, action B here, etc.), but I don't think I'd like to actually copy someone elses work. Thanks for the help, though.

@Mike: Learning PHP would make your new site a lot easier to code, unless you are using something else (ASP, perhaps? But I think that you need a Microsoft server to run that ).


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Yeah, the site layout is completely finished along with most of the web graphics. Now I just need to add in the dynamic features, thus PHP.

And you are correct, I was building it with ASP.net earlier, but I know about as much ASP.net as PHP. (Meaning very little. )



[EDIT] Previously working with Microsoft Access in a class I took this year has really made MySQL a lot easier on me though on the bright side.

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Here is my MySQL database test script:

http://www.knova.dbspot.com/phptest/test1.php (Login with any username or password, that isnt the MySQL thing... its after you log in).


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The place to go for php stuff is [href]www.htmlgoodies.com[/href] - this will take you through step by step for free

If you want a free forum go to http://forum.snitz.com/ - there are no adds or limitations (apart from writing in small letters in the bottom the "made by snitz") and you can put it into your web area and use it for free.

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On HTML goodies there's nothing on PHP(or I can't find it).

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http://www.php.resourceindex.com <-- scriptz
http://www.phpfreaks.com <-- helpz
http://www.devshed.com <-- more helpz
http://www.php.net <-- teh daddyz

Seriously now, PhpFreaks is excellent for tutorials.

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hmmm add w3schools to that <-- useful

[edit] Big problem, on my dbspot area my index (new site/index.php) displays differently to two days ago, the banner is missing, i downloafed it, the code is there, and the actual picture is where i left it but no display (its not in the parsed HTML btw, theres a line break where it should be)

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Gimme teh codez.

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there is styuff there on php - i know because I have the saved web pages - go look at the wavey bar at the side on the site for the links

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No. I used HTMLGoodies as an HTML language, and there is no PHP section. There is an ASP section, if that is what you are thinking about.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who has made my PHP-learning-experience... relevant and easy.


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ur welcome, the banner started working agen then not, i think it's this PC - MEH!

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