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Yes sorry How do I get the player to control say the main guns and select weapons so the player can select missiles , cannon, machine mini gun e.tc yet have an A.i use a machine gun, another as a navigator and another as a driver?

And how do I get the joystick hat to turn the tank turret, up down, left and riight with the players camera view?

Actually that should have been Unreal Tournament 2004 style

Vampyre just give up man the whole forum is flooded with your stupid questions. You don't know what the h3ll your talking about. Use the help files and some common sence. I know the forums are to help, but come on now. Why don't you just post a forum saying "I need to know how to make a game from start to finsh" that why you would have to make a forum asking how to put all the crap people told you together. Because I know you will. Start off with small crappy little games and then go for the next battlefield1942/sims/black&white/half-life2 like you are trying to. But for god's sake STFU N00B!!

Why don't you go and shag your mother Edizzle? After all isn't it incest your into and you do best? I am sick and tired of your stupid mouth and you sticking your nose in my business,

From what I can see you don't do much or say anything much but simply complain that Dark Basic Classic has died and talk a load of dog****

And you won't stop me from making the games I want to make OK jerkweed?

You go and make your crappy games and **** off out of my business you thick mudheaded ape

So take your head, look for your arse**** and stick your head up it, STFU yourself jackass

Vampyre, please try to cut down on the number of topics.

What you've asked is very very hard to do well, if I were you I'd concentrate on easier things, and gradually build up your knowledge.

And tone down the insults too

Yeah OK but get this jerk Edizzle of my case before I really flame this piece of insignificant crap

Most of what he said was fair, although in a slightly manic fashion

I'd like to punch his slightly manic stupid head down his throat

@edizzle, what is it like being what you hate? a newbie ,mmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Calm down.

uhh vampyre. a. i doubt u speak english as a first language. if you do, i doubt u know how to use a keyboard (no offence).

b. if you look through the archive, nobody else has like 11 topics on the first page. its just not fair. the most popular i got was when i made a 'darkbasic v1.14' thread which kind of ended up being a wish-list for everybody, until a mod came, closed it down, and confirmed that there would be *NO* more versions of DarkBasic Classic *E*V*E*R*. Boy, that hit hard. We *NEED* a DB v1.14...... <sniff,sniff>....

c. ur not very nice to that edizzle guy r u?

d. are you a boy or a girl? both? neither?

e. Just b'cuz edizzle signed up recently doesn't mean he's a newbie! All it means is that he registered a forum thingy recently. Definition of newbie : Person who is new to a subject and currently not-so-knowledgeble about that subject. Some newbies are 'hated' by more 'experienced' experts who h8 all the dumb-ass obvious questions.

P.s. that was an unofficial definition.
p.p.s. You generally post in the 'DarkBASIC General Discussion' forum for help/code/troubleshooting. Not 'I want to make a god-like game thingy'.

Eh? what are you talking about Blankey186

first of all why should I be nice to that asswipe Edizzle, He started it on another thread with his "your mom's a nhubie" crap and he keeps sticking his fat arse head into my business, I think he is really a newbie who's peed off because he can't get his game to work so he is taking it out on me so he can stick it where the sun don't shine.

Seccondly, don't ask enough questions you don't get anything, you just sit there and mark time bull****ing everyone especially yourself that you will make a game , because, unless you know BASIC like the back of your hand you won't get anything done and I intend to get these games done, especailly one for a dear departed girlfriend/lover of mine.

Why do you want to know what sex I am, what sex are YOU?????????
female? Male?neither? both?

Also who are you to tell me English ain't my 1st language , looking at your message, neither is yours (no offence )


I see I am one of these newbies with all the dumb ass questions am I? OH dear, real sorry But I intend to get my game done , I already got ground and air vehicles ready and I shall ask questions when I can't work out things after all it's just me working on my games , no one else , otherwise I wouldn't bother asking contrary to popular believe I really hate forums and would prefer a Dark Basic book on 3D games and 3D applications, that would be far better.

Actually if there is a DBC 1.14 although I think that is highly unlikely I hope there are better tutorials like getting in and out of multiple vehicles, how to do game option screens, how to create a landscape editor and how to create a level editor and also there would be at least 3 or four camera.s in the 1.14 version.

That would be good but somehow I think the only upgrade people will get is Dark Basic Pro. DBC I think will stay " retired " which is a shame because although I did buy DBC years ago when it came out I didn't really start using it till recently and I am suprised, with a little help I have had along the way, with what I can do with it compared to 3D RAD rubbish

No way would I have a straffing turning hovertank which I can use either the keyboard or joystick with as I can in Dark Basic Classic, I would like to know how I can have both the mouse, keyboard and joystick H.O.T.A.S commands in the same code for things like Hovercracft , cars, tanks aircraft, e.t.c but DBC gets me close, that is why I ask so many questions because I get closer and close to what I want,in 9 months(and it could have been much sooner) I have quite a few Air and ground player controlled vehicles decently controlled which I could never get with 3D RAD in 3 years I used that piece of crap.

As per vampyre's request I deleted his original thread.

Thanks David

a. If you're really that desperate to know, i'm male.

b. sorry, i've got to take this a step further. you? asking dumb ass questions? let's see...
(including mispellings of: Postion (Position), camera's (cameras)
Free Will
#INCLUDE isn't working
Postion Objects for jumping and VTOL
How do i get 1 player and 3 A.I. objects into a Tank, "Breed" style?
Binding Screens
Objects attracting other objects
In and Out of vehicles 1ST/3rd person camera's
Cybergods
Jump Jets

ALL on the first page. Cybergods, Jump Jets, In and out of vehicles ", Binding Screens I feel are unnecessary. But how many threads do you NEED in such a short space of time???

P.s., I'll stop now. I'll just go... some place. Answer q's, start my second *EVER* thread ( iwas lrem8888 before). Uh. Bye.

P.p.s, mods plz feel free to delete all insults posts. It's just going round and round and round...

P.p.p.s, vampyre, ur not english r u. dont answer that.

Well they might be unneccssary for your game idea's but they are very neccssary for my game idea's.

Binding Screens or should I say Option screens are very neccssary for every game unlees your one of these developers who come with "oh the mouse and keyboard is ok for everyone?" I don't think so , there a a lot of joystick jocks and joystick H.O.T.A.S people out there and even if you are just going to use mouse and keyboard people, even then you need a screen to tell people in game the controls.
want choice, not to have a binding or options screen in your game , to me is very ignorant , as you can allow people with the highest end joysticks to those who only have mouse and keyboards to enjoy your game, and that is how I intend to have my games, and Dark Basic is one ofthe few game creators you can actally do this with apart from Conitec A seires creators and even though the A engines ar every good, to get joystick hat controlss you need to use a as the WDL language doesn't have those commands. But I must say this though, Dark Basic could have taken a leaf out of Contitec's book and have a level editor wleded into the design I am not sure if it is in Dark Basic Pro but DBC really needs it

A lot of the games that never really make it because the people who develop ( not so much the professional, but definately the amatuers) do that, I mean how many people like to drive Need for Speed using a mouse and keyboard ? Yet Hot Wheels thought they could get away with that but they didn't hence I picked up their game at a price I am sure they didn't want the likes of me buying it at, why? well I played it and unless you had a joyspad or mouse and keyboard it was barely playable.

In and Out of vehicles is nessary for my game because that is what I liked about the Battlezone R.T.S. series, I thought that was a great idea that you ejected and then you were on foot as a foot soldier and in the first one brought out in 1998 you could switch between controls a thing they abandoned in the next game in the series. It was so much better than having a vehicle and simply getting killed in it as before.

That was an idea I wanted and now have and I want the eject thing in my games and I think I might have that as well, also I wanted to do a similiar type of game but with flight but I have other ideas as well

The objects attracting other objects was to find out how to get one object to get close enough to another object and become one , namely have an empty vehicle and attract the a.i.pilot to get into the vehicle and use that for fighting with, as I am now relearning BASIC , especially Dark Basic I didn't quite cotton on to the "glue object to limb" command and totally forgot you could simply use the "move object" command to move the a.i playr to either an empty vehicle or back to his homebase but I also didn't know how you did waypoints and I needed to know that.

Cybergods? well I had it on the team request forum and after a few bits of interest, it dided down , I saw the Vitrual Nation thread and the discussion it provoked on here and I decided to put mine on here too as I do which for a team, namely an A.I programmer to help out and a landscape , level editor programmer to help me as well, 3D Models well I have made a lot of them and I would pssibly need a 2d texture artist just to texture the models I have bit to be honest if I can't make the model I can get it of the net so there really isn't too much need for me for 3d modeller's even for humans as I have Poser and Doga L series, although I wouldn't say no to another modeller, besides I it's my ieda and I like that iand have the idea that you can literally become a God and you can literally create planets , and creatures which mathematically exist in your computer, that appeals to me

But the thing is I think that game will take a very long while, even if I was an expert Dark Basic Programmer for the simple reason I don't think and I have been told this that the computaional speed is not there for my type of game yet with literally trillions of tiny A.I beings with minds being born in a cyber Gaxlaxy or Universe, I think you would a chip speed and poer of 10 or 20 Ghz and most computer today the fastest is 3Ghz( untill late this year or early next year when 4Ghz chip comes out), still though I will try and get the rudiments ready for it now rather than wait.

I was still learning and I am still learning DB but I have got a lot done on my own even though I ask a lot of questions but I don't regret it personally I would much rather prefer to have a book explaining these things that come on here at all having to get answers out of perople who may inow but simply don't want to say because they think their code is orginal and what to secret;ly keep itfrom anybody else, they tend to forget that there are thousands of games out there and thier idea has possibly already been done like say you wanted to create a 3D UFO with vertical flight, well that most likely hs already been done in C++ and is out as a game.

Even I hae fallen a little bit into this foolish way of thinking altough I had to snap out of it when I couldn't get my skirtless hovertank to jump, I started thinking "I should protect thisincase someone does it for thier game " not realising I got the idea from another game and possibly they got the idea from another game. Also I copyright my game titles so I shouldn't realy worry, vehicles and the way they work and even fantasy vehicles have had most of physics and programming slung into C++ so you are really doing is reinventing the wheel in another language.

That is why I have little problems in realeasing any code I might have done for myself to others , besides which I am testing a theory to see if giving to others you get greater gifts in return, we shall see huh?

Yeah I was born in England but it doesn't make me English if you know what I mean Blnkey186but let's not go there OK? I am certainly not sorry for asking these questions at all oherwise I would never got as far ahead as I have or got some invaluble help , all I would be doing is sitting around talking crap abouthow I am going to make a game and nothing would be done if it takes the whole page I intend to get the information I need one wa or the other and untill game creators actually do 3d examples( why do you think C++ rules the game programming world instead of BASIC ? books, books, books Conitec learnt and are realearning that lesson, so is Jamagic and the Torque Engine, so is DB to be fair although that last book concentrated too much on the 2D side of Dark Basic really with only a few pages on the 3D side. ) Then it will have to be asking lots of questions on the forum.

Oh and the "How to get 1 player and 3 A.I into a tank "Breed style?""
well first of all I should have said "Unreal Tournament 2004" stye as the bots can drive to the waypoints and you have different slots , if you don't get into the tank driving positon where you can fire the cannon then you can get into the top turret and fire the machine gun.

I wanted that for my game but I don't know how to do that in Dark Basic so I asked, all in all the manual and the extra tuturial will only get you so far, you need to either guess r ask for the rest and I have done both believe it or not.

And I wasn't sure the 1st or 3D person camera's would work if I just allowed the player to get into vehicles that also had 1st &3dr person camera's attached to them as well, I think most of my questions were lOK because a lot of them weren't really explained atal in the DB manuals or the tuturial.

I mean there is lots not explained for instance the majority of First Person Shooters us the mouse wheel to selct weapons but I don't see any mousewheel instructions or do I see anyexamples of havin telescreens which is something elseI which to have in my game so you have to ask if things aren' shown to you or you simply remain a jerk trying to tell everyone you can do things you can't because you didn't bother to ask


I also have a promise to a dead sweet friend of mine to keep

vampyre ya thats way too long to read, coming from you that is.

Well your little sentence is no suprise coming from you you stupid aneiba brain.

And who cares if a little **** like you can't read it I hate your guts anyway and would cheerfully commit atrocity against something like you

Must we all hate each other?

Mayhaps happier threads would recieve nicer responses....

And maybe more help

I think it's starting to get to a point where a moderator should step in, and delete this thread.

that was dissapointing to say the least, thread locked because of the profanity