So if someones rude, the ruins it for everyone? Not everyone is rude at all. If someone is rude, they probably dont care what your response is, stop helping because one person tarnished it all and the only people that suffer are the polite people who are still trying to get help the right way.
" The problem with n00bs is they don't care.
Typically they are the spoilt brats from a family that have had everything handed to them on a silver platter. Or they are just attention seeking gits..
They demand results, they demand your brain cells do the work so they can simply gain credit for the hard work you do.
etc"
err, "wtf mate? ^^"
since when did n00b = that? So some guy is new.. they are instantly rich and spoiled? Darn, i'll start helping them out and maybe i'll be taken for a slap up dinner at the ritz.
Back to reality, thats a TOTALLY unfair generalisation. Personalities are unique per indivual - its bad enough people generalise on ethnic groups and counties, but now people are doing it on wether or not someone is new to a particular thing or not? Gee.
The point with people who are completly new to something is they are generally head strong. Why did you pick up coding? Because you liked crunching numbers and enjoy typing? Heh, possiable but doubtful. Its most likely that we all started because at some point we've played a game and enjoyed it and thought "i would like to be able to make games like this" - something inspired us to start or made us want to give it a try. OF COURSE they want to code this huge rpgs, mmorpgs and the next doom3 - these are all the things that probably first inspired them to try out coding, its their drive.
Dont we all hope to be able to write these amazing games and acheive some stature and fame in the games world? and be honest, dont we all want to do it as quickly as possiable? If we could, most of us would start tonight! Experiance has taught us this isnt possiable - that learning the basics of coding and mastering the language are two different things. Experiance. What the new dont have and what we should be trying to give on to those not so experianced - personally I find whenever I do I learn something new as well.
But people get frustrated, loose their patience. Theres a million new mmorpgs in the wip forums announced by a new coder each week. Well... GOOD. The sign of a healthy community. It means new people, who ALL dont have that experiance, are joining. One day, they might well make their mmorpgs and doom3's. But you reply to one.. then another.. and another.. patience getting thin.. STOP. Right there just stop replying for a while, let someone else take over. If you cant reply nicely just dont bother, go have a cup of tea and play animal crossing or something
Someone is wasting their time? Then your wasting your time replying to the post. In a perfect world, a new person would of seen the other posts and already realised their ambition was a bit high at the moment and not post their ideas for their own mmorpg. But this isnt a perfect world, most will done a search for something like coding or programming, ended up finding db, browsed the website, seen the showcase, downloaded the demo, ran the examples and been like omgwwwwooww!!!11!!ONE decided this is a program that could allow them to do what they want (and it is) and ran streight to the forums to tell everyone an idea they have which they are most probably proud of. Thats when they need informing, not flaming.
Why not make a sticky topic like "Want to make a mmorpg? Read" and do the informing in there, explain the difficulty, the time it takes to learn what you need and the time it takes to devlop when you have learned and why doesnt someone who knows what they are talking about talk about the technical aspect of the game? Dedicated servers, how many for a range of players, isp costs, bandwidth costs, maintance, constant devlopment and updating. Something like that.
It is worth noting however, some "n00bs" are not what would think by n00bs and probably could write their mmorpg.
I was, and in some ways still am, a dark basic n00b. But I have been programming for years. My range of languages is: dgs, html, php, c, c++, c#, delphi, java and now darkbasic pro. I've asked alot of questions, because in terms of dbp im still a n00b. Things are done differently (personally, I think basic syntax is damn ugly >>
, memblocks are a little weird, theres new concepts to learn and new command names, dbp has its own unique bottle necks in speed and performance in places with their own work arounds which I dont know yet and there is i've noted many ways to code the same thing and some have some benifits whilst some have others. So I post. I make "n00b" questions. But damn, I sure as hell can still program. My game here is an almost-massivly-multiplayer blast-the-hell-out-of-everyone 2d game. Think continium with tanks. Its *NOT* an easy project. Its nearing beta stage now, theres some bugs I need to work out from the server software (also written in dbp). But im doing well, if when I had joined here I had laid down the plans for the full scale of my game, I KNOW I would of been laughed at and flamed. Now the game is nearing beta, I have my dbspot account ready for when its time to make the website (no there isnt a website yet, i've been coding not web authoring) and upload the files and I have even written a rather funky php script which acts as like a match making server for the client which gets contacted by the game client and passes on server information of other games in progress allowing the client to populate a list of games to join. Its quite simple to use and works well, I may release the source and a tutorial on how to use it.
But imagine if I had told everyone.. heh, flames! The point of that stupidly long paragraph was, dont jump on every n00b you see, the phrase "a wolf in sheeps clothing" comes to mind.
Help them, dont get frustrated, if you are frustrated its time to *stop* and take a break. Come back later when fresh.
Anyway, im sorry for this book-sized post. But on other forums I admin leetism (as i call it) has been becoming quite a big problem and I have some strong views on it. The word "n00b" makes my skin crawl.
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