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OSX Using Happy Dude
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After managing to get Linux install on my main machine (took 3 good 'cos stupid Suse kept installing GRUB instead of LILO - who in their right mind would want a useless DOS-based boot system - but I digress).

Anyhoo - I can confirm that DBPro programs wont using WINE - all you get is a small window which then goes almost straight away...


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ionstream
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Posted: 14th Sep 2004 08:57
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Hopefully no one on this forum drinks alcoholic drinks anyways.

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Kentaree
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Posted: 14th Sep 2004 09:08
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Alcoholic drinks? Who'd dream of drinking that?

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Ian T
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Posted: 14th Sep 2004 09:14
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Wine? I'd recommend a good Cognac.

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Flashing Blade
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Posted: 14th Sep 2004 09:23
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I like beer but it makes my belly big, so I now drink wine.


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indi
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Posted: 14th Sep 2004 11:13
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I use wine called [darwine] under OSX and at the moment in time i can only emulate wordpad and minesweeper. Ill wait a while before Ill try it again.

wine requires the windows libs as your prolly know so if your machine is all linux and not 50 win 50 linux it wont run at all.

having stated u installed lilo i tend to think u have a dual boot so i would assume you have both.

give dbc a go before trying dbp i would imagine.

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Ian T
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Posted: 14th Sep 2004 11:19
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DBC works through WineX, I tried it, and a simple DBP app. Past that I'm not sure...

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Torrey
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Posted: 14th Sep 2004 11:22
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Make sure WINE has all the Windows DLL's it needs. Don't forget the latest DirectX files too. WINE has a debug console so you can see what goes wrong, that might help you to figure out what else it needs. Would be pretty fun to be the first guy ever to successfully run a DBP app with WINE.
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Torrey
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Posted: 14th Sep 2004 11:25
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Something I found really quick on WINE HQ, "Partial DirectX support for games (Direct3D missing)." Just keep tweaking it and doing some tests, you'll eventually get it working.
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TKF15H
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Quote: " Just keep tweaking it and doing some tests, you'll eventually get it working."


true dat... The first DBP patch worked well in Wine. Then I patched DBP, upgraded wine and it won't work anymore. Though, I admit I didn't stay much time tweaking it.

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 15th Sep 2004 00:27
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Wine only Emulates Windows (WINdows Emulator), there is another version called WineX, which emulates DirectX 8.1 as well.

Dark Basic Professional works under this upto Update 4.0 but not exactly stable. I mean upto 4.0 wasn't entirely stable on windows, but it's double so under WineX.

Thier new version (can't remember the name) which uses DirectX 9.0 which you have to purchase now, will run DBP upto 5.2 like it will on windows, the changes in 5.4+ seem to make some odd compatibility errors.

I have a personal build for unix i've been tinkering with which can run DirectX 9.0 now close to flawlessly, but still some bugs in DBP remain
have a feeling it's the windows libraries it is now using or how it is using them... at any rate compatibility isn't high enough to recommend using it yet.


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Ian T
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Posted: 15th Sep 2004 00:37 Edited at: 15th Sep 2004 00:37
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Quote: " Wine only Emulates Windows (WINdows Emulator),"





It stands for Wine Is NOT an Emulator-- it's NOT an emulator!

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Kendor
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Actually is both:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=wine&Find=Find

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GothOtaku
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Posted: 15th Sep 2004 01:25
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Wine Is Not an Emulator is the correct acronym and yes, Wine is not an emulator. It doesn't emulate anything it just substitutes system calls in the Windows app to execute Wine's libraries instead.
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TKF15H
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Acording to there site, WINE is (as Mouse said) Wine Is Not an Emulator. They call it a "Compatability layer" instead.
Quote: " Wine only Emulates Windows"

or you could take a look at the site and see that they emulate Direct X too. They're just not done with it.

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GothOtaku
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Yeah, normal Wine's DirectX compatability is shaky at best though (plus no Direct3D) but should support up to DX 8.
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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 15th Sep 2004 05:04 Edited at: 15th Sep 2004 05:05
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Which unfortunately rules out DBPro... I'll have to see if the editor works (and compiles)...


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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 15th Sep 2004 05:10
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Cedega4... aka WineX
you can follow whatever site you like, but the X11 (XFree86) variation of Wine is an emulator, no matter what they want to call it.
Because it has to emulate the Windows Kernel Calls, there is no way around it without making a Wrapper, which again technically is just an emulator.

Whatever they want to call it, they're still not doing it using Windows technology... Transgaming however are.

which is why WineX is stable and ever growing stability of titles as well as DirectX9 compatibility.
now if some users would rather than trying to show me up did thier homework they'd of known this. But as I said, the Windows calls ni DBP are causing problems not the Dx Calls.


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GothOtaku
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Posted: 15th Sep 2004 07:10
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Define emulator. Since it doesn't emulate an entire system I wouldn't think of it as one. Example:

Let's say we havea program that does this

make a new window
x=2+2
print x in window

An emulator does this:

Emulator makes a new window
Emulator executes x=2+2
Emulator prints x in window

Wine does this:

Wine makes a new window
Executes x=2+2 on the processor (this is important)
Gets the result and sends it to the window through the API

This is a bit generalized but is what Wine does. If it was an emulator it would execute the entire thing and the processor wold only be running the emulator NOT the program itself, but with Wine the processor is actually running the program and uses Wine to do Windows functionality.
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Posted: 15th Sep 2004 08:04
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Yep, that pretty much sums it up. It's a windows compatible API for Linux.

Play Nice! Play Basic! Out now.

nFinity Emulator. Coming soon.
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JoelJ
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Posted: 15th Sep 2004 14:15
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Quote: "now if some users would rather than trying to show me up did thier homework they'd of known this."

Quote: "but with Wine the processor is actually running the program and uses Wine to do Windows functionality."


OUCH, raven got PWN3D once again...

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