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DevilLiger
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what is the easiet programming language existed? and that uses modern technology. is it just me or it seems to be dark basic.
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Qbasic

Seriously, though I like Visual Basic for all application programming. DarkBasic is fun for 3d stuff and games. You really have to try out a few languages and decide for yourself which you like. I hear that PureBasic is also a nice language, as is Delphi, and many many others.



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C++!!!!
Okay, maybe not the easiest, but it makes more sense than basic.

Most sensible language=C++
Easiest language=Basic Variations (go DB, Blitz too complicated)

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QBASIC is the easiest. And HTML isn't a programming language.

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ASM!!

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PHP. When you get the hang of it it's child's play.

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lol @ N30F15H


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Quote: "Okay, maybe not the easiest, but it makes more sense than basic."

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Easiest?

LOGO!

(yeah yeah, none of you will have heard of it)

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Is that the language where you move the turtle round?

That was brilliant!


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Cobol was easy too. Although if I ever have to touch it again I'll go on a mad killing spree.

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Actually Rich, I agree.

Although there was a mini-language I was introduced to at school ... except I can't remember what it was called. It was a mini-interpreter written in AppleII basic.

26 variables that could only hold integers, no structured programming (everything was goto or gosub, including loops). It wasn't up to much, but it was easy

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I liked Puma basic for the Puma robot. Seriously doubt if anyone has heard of it, but is basically one of those arm robots you see in car factories. They had one in university (about a decade ago) which we used in the robotics part of my degree.

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actually neofish is right, ASM is the easiest. why? it only does a few things - moves memory around and does math! so easy!

that's why it's so hard at the same time

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Quote: "LOGO!"


Oh yeah ... I used that in the kindergarden and primary school.
Then I had BASIC at home on my C64

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I remember a welsh language basic on the BBC micro at school. I'm not saying it was the easiest language around (apart from welsh only speakers of course) just the most unusual I've used.

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in my opinion i think qbasic is still the easiest, but it's too out dated, but imagine if they had a modern version of qbasic with today's technology and with the ease of qbasic. this more sounds like darkbasic to me. darkbasic seems to be like the nearest to qbasic to me. visual basic.net is still wierd to me. i don't understand nothing out of it.
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Logo. Logo is the easiest! LOGO! LOGO!

OMG!

Here is a LOGO program to draw a square!

Quote: "
repeat 4 [fw 10 left 90]
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I think my syntax may be a little off there tho!

They taught us that in school to "challenge us"



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Turtle graphics rule!
I mean if you had the choice between ST-Basic and ST-Logo...

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Uhh, you got your logo syntax wrong :-P


fw should be fd

i think left should be lt

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lol, it's close to that in dark basic, only you have to take up two lines of code I think.....I haven't programmed in awhile.

Let's see, easiest language huh? It's probably Dark Basic. I only say that because it IS new and not too out dated, and everyone who wants to learn can. It can be a little confusing at first I suppose, but what the hell, if you're saying easiest with the most power, it's gotta be dark basic right?

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LOGO!

Wow! I forgot all about that little turtle. Those were the days *cries*.

We played it on a monochrome screen, and used it to make awesome kaleidoscope images. I think that (in grade 2 or 3) was my first introduction to logical programming!


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nmicro worlds. teh apple program that lets you use graphics and code them, sorta like click and play btu a mac version that wasn't as detailed and mor ecode based. i remember makign a 6 level game where you dropped a grenade into teh water to hit the bottom so teh sailor could judge the depth, but if u hit an obstacle you blow up. then the next level you were an ass kicking alien killer witha jetpack, then the next level was a sword wielding knight, then the next elvel was reservoir dogs gunfight. man it was hell of mad. crazy yr 9 kid version of me. wait yr 8


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Ahh Logo, the most fun you can have with Logo is in secondary school if your lucky enough to get to build a little robot - don't know if they still do stuff like that. Part of our technology standard grade was building a LOGO controlled robot - the teacher got real pissed when we spent most of the time making them sorta remote controlled so we could battle , apparantly it defeated the purpose of LOGO, but stuff him!.

Pascal is a fairly straightforward language, COBOL used to be widely used in database programming, but it sucks and it's really picky and tough to debug. You could probably track the decline of COBOL with the decline in programmer salaries, and suicide rates . For most people BASIC is the easiest language when in high school, once you have some good algebra skills learning basic is fairly straightforward - it's actually a really good learning tool to code solutions to algebra and math problems, benefits both coding and math skills.


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I had Dr.Logo on an Amstrad PCW8256. 256K was the size of the 3" disks, it had no internal storage, and only a couple of hundred K's of memory.

As to the original question, it's 100% subjective. Depends on what you want to do, how you want to do it, your own logical way of thinking and how tired you are.

For example, if you want to write "hello world" to the screen, you can do it in one line in basic. If you want read several million records from a DB2 file, the mainframe languages I use are easier. You could aso do it in T-SQL very easily, but it would be slower. However, updating different records with different values based on a second file is easier in T-SQL.

It's impossible to answer the question objectively.

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WOW. Somebody else who had a PCW!!!. Thats where i first learnt LOGO and BASIC.

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Quote: "Thats where I first learnt LOGO and BASIC"


Mallard Basic, no less!

My first program on this machine was a story writer - you supply names, it writes a story about them, using random phrases, words and names.

I learnt basic on a Dragon 32, on Microsoft Basic 1.0.

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I always had a soft spot for the Amstrad CPC464, it had a nice little monitor and had a great version of BASIC. I remember hard-wiring the monitor into my STE, worked great until the sound made the screen go nuts - it actually improved a lot of intro's and demo's . Some computers applications just make you want to use them, that's really more important than what the software/hardware can do - I mean if you take the differences between coding on the Spectrum and the C64, you can do so much more in C64 basic, but when your hacking values directly into memory most of the time - surely ASM would have made more sense. That's how it was though, I know a guy who used to write games on the Spectrum in machine code, I mean like a total access system where he cleared out all the crud to give his game more memory. I spent about a year trying to teach him the basics of VB before giving up - old dog, new tricks you see.


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this had gotta be basic for me. i've got an amstrad(some where) and thats when i first started programming.. it was so easy i couldnt realy beleive(specialy after lookling at c++ etc..).

the only bad thing about the amstrad was it took too long to load and save data off tapes..

edit: just had a look and its the 'cpc 464 colour'

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I would have to say, to some peoples Dismay, COBOL. Of course it was hard to debug, and follow, but once you get a hang for some of the little tidbits, its as Easy as DB. To make it easier, you have to format your code. If you don't you'll never find your problems, cause it can get ugly with the "-" and the Spaces here and there.

I don't even really count LOGO as a language though, that was more of a Childs toy.


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Logo is actually quite a complex language! It's really clever too, originally designed to teach kids maths people soon discovered you can push it further. It's fully extensible (you can define your own primitives, words you create yourself to perform tasks), it's modular, it's procedural, has an interactive English language debugger! and the whole language closley parallels written language.

Really seriously clever! Those MIT boys knew their stuff Well more advanced than you think if all you can remember it doing was moving a turtle forwards to draw a box.

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I remember creating procedures to draw 3d shapes . Logo was great.

The days of CLI were great, it was all so much simpler back then.

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HTML IS a language, and IMO if COBOL qualifies as a language then HTML certainly does, COBOL Common Buisiness Oriented Language was more like something designed purely to print financial reports on line printers (I did a course on it on a PDP11 no less , well boring ... I recall some of it... environment division, identification division, resource division, program division etc ), HTML stands for HyperText Markup Language, and it could print reports just as well as COBOL....better actualy since I don`t recall COBOL being able to use images etc, the one I always wanted to try was the Jupiter Ace, you coded it in Forth, but when I later came to look at Forth I was totaly confused by the whole thing, I think structured types would like it though .

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binary! only consists of two commands, yes and no. It can't get any simpler!

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what is binary?. Where can i download a compiler for it.

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I was going to say "Logo" as well. Here is a picture I drew in Logo in 1986 - 6th grade:



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Surely Notepad can compile binary.

There was a command in LOGO called 'wrap' which just made the turtle go nuts.

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Wow. This logo can give direct.x 9.0c a run for its money!

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from what I read, logo rocks^_^

http://www.softronix.com/logo.html


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@Phaelax..arg just saw this thread..was about to post this...

"The Easiest languge is binary...you only have to hit two keys...1 and 0"

but you beat me to it

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well I'd assume notepad won't work as you don't want to save your code as ascii


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BrainF***, it only has 8 commands.

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Think the easiest game making language, that was any good, was DIV. Had better functionality than things like that 2D game maker thingy, and was easier than DB.

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I worked with LOGO a bit when I was 9 or so ...


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Quote: "HTML IS a language, and IMO if COBOL qualifies as a language then HTML certainly does"


HTML is NOT a programming language. It never was and it never will be. It's just a sub-set of SGML, and a tiny one at that.

Cobol most certainly IS a language because it compiles and actually has language constructs.

Try doing a for / next loop in HTML. Hell, try doing anything procedural in HTML!

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what about javascript?

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What about it? It's hardly HTML is it.

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HTML is simply data used by a program to produce visuals and a few other things such as hyperlinks and things like that.

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Quote: "What about it? It's hardly HTML is it."

It's built into HTML.

The default editor is fine.
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