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Geek Culture / A quick question to people who have freeware releases.

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Three Score
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Posted: 17th Nov 2004 11:50
i got photoshop 7 and flash mx 2004

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Mnemonix
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Posted: 17th Nov 2004 11:57
Well, the required dimensions for the banner can be taken from this site

http://www.logicstudios.net

The banner on there is the one being replaced so it needs to be the same size.

The banner needs to have the text:-"freeware-burners.co.uk" on it and the slogan "Because the best things in life are free..."

I havent decided how it should look so surprise me .

Thanks guys.

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Andy Igoe
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Posted: 17th Nov 2004 18:15
Without wishing to totally threadjack but in the almost certain knowledge this is doing so, it is an interesting debate. Zone Chicken has asked a few valid questions and here's my take on them:

Quote: "Just to ask, how can one prove that someone is benifiting from freeware."

Some sites charge £10-£15 for a CD full of freeware, and they've never asked permission to sell them. Some sites charge over £20. Some sites charge just a few pounds, but also charge a membership fee before you can make such an order.

Quote: "How would someone know or judge if the provider was benifiting from it."

I have a simple rule, if they are charging for it and it includes my software then I stop them. People such as yourself would respond by taking my teams work out of your catalogue and it's a case of no hard fealings, but many others dont care and are not willing to enter discource. They seem to think there is a law to freeware, or some mysterious freeware standard EULA that applies to my games.

Quote: "1). The price of cds in the local area. "

Next to nothing.
Quote: "2). The cost of storage of the media if the media is downloadable."

Nothing at all.
Quote: "3). The cost of the bandwith if the site is popular and the bandwith is high. "

Not my problem. I have bandwidth issues too.
Quote: "4). The cost of shipping the cd content via ground/air mail. "

Just an excuse to charge an amount that "covers" whatever the cost may be.
Quote: "5). The cost of cc services if the site is a secured and online ordering site."

Not my problem.

Quote: "I don't see why someone that would take there time to make a site and provide people with software even if it is freeware and would eat any of the above cost."

And why should somebody invest their heart and soul in to writting a game and making a site to distribute it only to have somebody else sell it for profit and not pay the author a penny, or even ask permission to do so?

Quote: "Im not trying to start a argument or anything im just curious as to how someone would know if freeware was being sold or the costs to transport the freeware was the only charge being made? "

There is almost always an "admin" fee. My teams has a simple policy, if the company or individual is unknown to us and did not have permission to distribute our software then they are not allowed. If anyone is going to sell a CD full of our software it will be us or a valid business partner.

Now on to Mnemonix, who of course has the ideal values and best intentions with his site. The sort of site that I might actually approve of, but there is a problem.

How does Mnemonix compete with the thousands of other sites already out there doing this?

The answer surely cannot be by building up the software catalogue slowly in waiting for submissions, he'd be about 2,500th on my list of sites to go through the registration with.

Which is why I gave the friendly warning, because sooner or later most of these sites go off in search of freeware. If you are listing your games on a submission based system then are you accepting PAD submissions to get your throughput of games up, and if that is so are the authors aware of your site?

It's a chicken and egg problem...


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Mnemonix
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Posted: 18th Nov 2004 02:15
Im also building up a database of freeware before I start. The submission thing is just an extra feature. People can also recommend for me to include software which I don`t have but they have seen on a site (for example a particular distro of linux).

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DarkBasic Pro Guy
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Posted: 18th Nov 2004 04:03
you have people paying for these cd's becuase then they don't have to go to a milion websites and waste time downloading them and also they don't have to even find the freeware you have it for them and you put it all together so they are paying you for that. Is that correct?

bitJericho
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Posted: 18th Nov 2004 04:06
aye that's what he's saying..

Although I would never pay for it

Except for perhaps a linux distro, because at 5+ cd's it's impossible for me to get it any other way

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Mnemonix
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Posted: 18th Nov 2004 04:18
Exactly.

Thats the plan.

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Mnemonix
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Posted: 18th Nov 2004 14:47
Update:

I have just finished the product display page. There are a few more things I have to do:

1. Shopping basket.
2. Order procedure.
3. Customer profile editor(So the customers can change their profile)
4. Customer`s Package submission system(For the authors out there)
5. Get some hosting and my domain name.

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Mx5 kris
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Posted: 18th Nov 2004 16:18 Edited at: 18th Nov 2004 16:19
hosting: http://surpasshosting.com
domains: http://surpassdomains.com
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edit: hwat are the dimensions? I see no banner.

Mnemonix
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Posted: 18th Nov 2004 17:03
I already have my hosting selected. Your quite right, they do offer good deals however.

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DarkBasic Pro Guy
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Posted: 20th Nov 2004 05:29
so where's the website now?

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Posted: 20th Nov 2004 05:49
The old version is at logicstudios.net, but the new and updated version is on my local machine only. I am testing adding entries to the product database and im thinking it may be able to use some work. It has to go on hold for a while because DT is more important at this point to get complete. Id rather have all my time on one project rather than split 50/50 so for the time being its DT.

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DarkBasic Pro Guy
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Posted: 19th Dec 2004 08:51
there hasn't been a reply in a while I was just wondering if this still is going to be done

Computers are stupid all they do is calculate. Your the one that makes the computer do stuff
Mnemonix
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Posted: 20th Dec 2004 04:28
Yea, at some point when I have the time to do it

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DarkBasic Pro Guy
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Posted: 20th Dec 2004 07:24
so where is the latest thing that the everyone on the inet can view?

Computers are stupid all they do is calculate. Your the one that makes the computer do stuff

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