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BiggAdd
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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 06:03
Don't You Hate the people on the news who complain about computer games............ they are usualy about 60 odd..... It realy annoys me, coz i'm planning to start a compnay up after uni...... and i don't want them on my back..... this could put me off..... anyone else feel this way?

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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 06:07 Edited at: 12th Dec 2004 06:08
Yes.



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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 06:09
How is this 'UK News'?

People complain about computer games because thier spoilt, and give into Sheep Syndrome. Marketing thrives on this Syndrome as it means, they could advertise a 50year old donut... but if they ran alot of screenshots of that donut in just the right CG Edited light and claimed it was next-generation technology at work, followed by making reviewers thing this too. The whole world would go crazy for that 50-year old donut that screws up thier PC.

Anyone else not using 50-year old Donut format would instantly get panned by everyone.

While a good game is created by a good development team.
Great games are created by your publishers PR Department.

sad fact, but far too true


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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 06:10 Edited at: 12th Dec 2004 06:13
On BBC there's a large article about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4087079.stm

Parents are 'having lessons' on video games to ensure "that parents know which video games are suitable for children are to be considered by the games industry. ".

This one's also pricless. Parents of a 13 year old girl are sueing Wal Mart because a CD contains swearing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm

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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 06:17
Hmm... so a person was killed once every year or so. And how many people get killed for other reasons? And how many people play electronic games? And how the hell do you know it was because of a vido game even if some kid said it?

Anyway, it's the children who need the lesson.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 06:42 Edited at: 12th Dec 2004 06:46
Yes........ i have the desire to get into a banshee and kick some covenant ass? anyone want to join me? I also want to go out and build a theme park, mabye i've been playing rollercoaster tycoon too much. They realy are stupid. The washington sniper was apparantly blamed on halo..... i'll have u know. (Fair do's.... Halo and Halo2 KICK ASS! makes me jealous though...... also apparantly, the xbox 2 is to have at least 5GHz!!)

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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 06:57
It was on richard and judy too, they had some twat on there trying to ban all the games with violence. Here are some of my favourite quotes from his interview.

"I just dont see the point in it!"

"ITS WORSE THAN CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!"

"who are the sick twisted individuals that come up with these things!?!? (referring to gta/manhunt)"

"I also tried to ban war toys!"

And they got some guy to play the games and show it to the parents (i think they demonstrated manhunt, gta, and the getaway) i swear some of them looked like they were crying in shock! lmao, im getting flashbacks it was hilarious.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 07:11
I think my arguments are:

Violent games carry an 18 certificate. Only adults are allowed to buy them and only adults should play them. If anyone under the age of 18 is adversely effected by these products, blame either (a) there parents, or (b) the government for failing to enforce censorship.

People who commit crimes as a direct effect of playing computer games are invariably mentally ill, or in such a state of mind that they will eventually commit the crime anyway. A film could have a similar effect.

And that brings me onto my third point. If you're going to ban violent games, then ban films.

If you take the "games are interactive, and therefore the violence is initiated by the individual" response, then ban learning martial arts, paintballing, boxing, laser quest, contact sports, or anything else that anyone can play and encourages or simulates some sort of violence.

That's not to say I don't think computer games affect peoples minds. They certainly do, but for the majority of people with healthy minds this remains fantasy. For sick people, it can be ported to reality. If you want to ban something to save guard people agains the sick people .... ban sick people.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 07:28
Games are scientificaly proven to increase the reflexes....... i would know...... i'm always the goalie........ mabye coz i'm 6'6"...... but i do have realy quick reflexes...... and i believe its down to gameplay. Also games can stimulate the mind, by finding a logical route for completing halo2 on legendary by yoursef(duel wield plasma rifles ur best bet) Just because games are getting more and more realistic doesn't mean to say we should stop developing them. Otherwise, we will be going to peoples houses to play pacman or pong

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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 07:42
All I know is, I love blowing out peoples intestines, severing limbs and decapitating innocent civilians in video games. When I see a real video of some militia in africa hacking some guy with a machete, I feel physically sick.

The distinction between reality and play is very clear for me. I think you have to be sick or thick to drawn any strong relation.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 07:57
Quote: "All I know is, I love blowing out peoples intestines, severing limbs and decapitating innocent civilians in video games. When I see a real video of some militia in africa hacking some guy with a machete, I feel physically sick.

The distinction between reality and play is very clear for me. I think you have to be sick or thick to drawn any strong relation."


Heh, yet for those volleying that computer games/films cause the violence they will never understand the distinction.
While a game/film/tv show, can cause children to immitate acts they see; this is a part of growing up, kids immitate things to learn. If a child is playing something deemed unsuitable then that isn't the developers fault, but the fault of a system which isn't working.

Parents, Government, and Store are quick to blame everything except themselves. If a game does cause something for someone to go out and mimic not being able to distinguish between reality and fiction then this will happen regardless. A game is mearly a trigger, it isn't the loaded weapon.

You know what I find amusing is the fact that Power Rangers caused more deaths through mimicing, than all of the computer games blame in total. Yet while Carmageddon and such were banned for a short while, Power Rangers has continued to show for years, without any retributionary 'we want this banned' action.

While I'll whole heartidly agree about banning Manhunt (seriously I finally got to play it, and even I'm a lil appauled by it, which is saying something) .. there are a number of games that I believe just need stricter guildline enforcement.


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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 09:09 Edited at: 12th Dec 2004 09:15
Manhunt probably sucks but we shouldn't ban it. Instead, we should let anyone who buys it learn how, when, and why to judge something.

And since when was violence bad?
Everyone should know how and why(or why not) to kill someone.

Quote: ""I just dont see the point in it!""

So? Everyone else does. And so what if there wasn't a point?

Quote: ""ITS WORSE THAN CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!""

You must like child pornography a lot then.

Quote: ""who are the sick twisted individuals that come up with these things!?!? (referring to gta/manhunt)""

Who are the sick twisted individuals that try to make everyone uniform with thier opinion(which sucks).

Quote: ""I also tried to ban war toys!""

I also try to wonder why, but I can't think of anything. I know why you failed, though.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 09:55
those where quotes from a tv show ilya, no one said that here
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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 10:09
I know. I was replying to the TV show.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Posted: 12th Dec 2004 10:26
Quote: "Manhunt probably sucks but we shouldn't ban it."


No it should be banned for the same reason Spyro:EtD should
that said i think the developers of that game have issues... SERIOUS issues!!


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People can make games on what ever they want........... If somebody wants to create a game on pokemon, Yu-Gi wateva they can........ But if somebody wants to make a game on running somebody over with a squelch........ go for it!...... I'm not saying that its not bad for children ect....... but most children you see are not 18

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Posted: 14th Dec 2004 02:49
Quote: "Parents are 'having lessons' on video games to ensure "that parents know which video games are suitable for children are to be considered by the games industry. "."


What exactly is wrong with that? The best way to prevent children being adversely effected by any form of media is to have their parents talk to them about it and know about it.

I'll probably get lynched for saying it but video games are having adverse effects on children and programs to help parents know about what's out there in the industry is a blessing and not a curse.

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The whole principle of what parents do/are told is wrong except I believe games like GTA:SA which try to make violence look real could cause violence etc

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Posted: 14th Dec 2004 19:41 Edited at: 14th Dec 2004 19:42
It's a parenting issue, plain and simple. Laziness, ignorance, or good old fashioned lack of care. "I didn't realise" isn't an excuse, it says 18 on the box, and it looks exactly like a film rating icon.

I have 3 children, and my kids won't be playing any violence based game in my house for many years. They are also understand what is right and wrong, and although I can't stop them seeing these things at school and other kids' houses, they know it's wrong, and why it's wrong.

Cartoons work because children get immersed in fantasy worlds...it's what being a child is about, and you can't (and shouldn't) take that away from them.

Reality games are for mature audiences that are able to differentiate between reality and fantasy. It's a valid market that needs supplying, just like 18 certificate films and alcohol.

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Posted: 14th Dec 2004 21:33
Complicated

I wish that it was harder for under 18's to get these games... that might solve a few problems (not many)

However, I do think ManHunt was excessivly violent - and it was a crap game at that.

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Posted: 14th Dec 2004 22:56
The headline of the London Evening Standard last Friday was "Video Games Can Kill!!!!" - (I added the exclamation marks for extra effect).

The article wasn't about some sinister new technology to teach our nations "wayward youth" a lesson. It was about how video game packs will carry more labels to indicate violent content.

Interestingly, the same article said that only 1.6% of all computer games made are violent. Make of that what you will.

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Posted: 14th Dec 2004 23:06
Depends on how you define violent, really, so I'd probably agree with their definition more than ESRB's-- players knocking each other around in Madden is not the kind of thing that teaches kids to shoot each other

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