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Zero Blitzt
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Pfft, not really a surprise.


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That button circuitry is horrid! Sony will probably pay through the teeth with this bad press.


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It'd take a lot for Sony to prise that crown from Nintendos head, I thought the PSP had a fair chance to be honest, maybe people are starting to ignore Sony's hype engine and starting to look at the facts and specs instead .


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Ill wait a month after the release when they fix it

Note: The above I didn't say, your just crazy.
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Yeah, personally I tend to wait and get second hand gear - at least you know it worked at some point, I waste too much time sending supposedly new hardware back.


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Quote: "Ill wait a month after the release when they fix it "


Playstation2 didn't get a proper DVD-Reader until a year after release. Sony tried to cut corners and it cost them; they've done it again. This time it's going to be quite a costly error in judgement.. They should learn from the market leaders in this field.


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Yikes. That's pretty bad, worse than the Xbox controller I'd say. Can't believe they rushed manufacturing that much

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oopsy

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The DS will kick the stuffing out of the PSP.

People don't want portable media players - if they did then that Creative device'd be in everybody's pockets.

Instead, you find a Game Boy in everybody's pocket

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Indeed. My 1Gb PDA is great for watching films on. Not the reason why I would buy a PSP (it's also really big compared to my PDA). The pull of games like Ridge Racers would be hard though. Used to love that game. And was it just an urban legend about it having an app to produce Star Trek like language translation? Would be nice. Have something similar on my PDA. You speak, it translates to french. But you speak a menu name (eg. Bus), then a sub-sentence (eg. when is the next bus). But it doesn't do french to english, and it won't go straight to a sentence from the subject menu (probably not good enough to understand from the several thousand sentences). So no direct speak only translation with a foreigner for me.

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The facts and specs:

"Touching is good."
^Enough to scare me away.

And the only thing you're pointing out are some defects, rather than what a working verson does.

Defects take a short time to fix.

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Quote: "It'd take a lot for Sony to prise that crown from Nintendos head, I thought the PSP had a fair chance to be honest, maybe people are starting to ignore Sony's hype engine and starting to look at the facts and specs instead"


I have to say, I think Ninty may have made some very smart choices with the DS. I can see PictoChat being very popular in classrooms for example


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I went to EB a week after DS was released and one of DS had a broken button. DS has flaws too.

Note: The above I didn't say, your just crazy.
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They stole Pictochat from Yahoo.
They stole the touching thing from PDAs.
Conclusion: You'll achieve the same effect with color if you use Yahoo Messenger on a PDA with WAN.

What else did they steal...

Not much else to steal.

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Yeah, but not all PDAs have built in Wifi, 3D graphics rendering, etc. You'd have to buy a Bluetooth adaptor too. NDS just makes it easier.

And... touch sensitive screens aren't something that can be stolen, really. Nor can a paint-talk chat program (although I can see where you are coming from with this).


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"Conclusion: You'll achieve the same effect with color if you use Yahoo Messenger on a PDA with WAN."

which will kids do? buy a palmtop with wireless and get YIM for it, thus placing them in the "flaming nerd" category? or get a DS? which is cheaper?

"when it's done" means "we have no idea, we forgot to do that; we were hoping you would all forget we promised <insert exotic promise here>"
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I think somebody doesn't like the DS

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By stolen, I mean ripped off.

And everything that can run executables can have 3D rendering.

*Goes to design a PDA*
(I know some electronics)
(The basics)

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Quote: "And everything that can run executables can have 3D rendering."


Yup, but not hardware-based.

Quote: "*Goes to design a PDA*
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Great, you now have a working flashing light! A real competitor to the DS. Idiot.

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Heh, my cellphone has all the abilities of the Nintendo DS and cost me £80 less cause i'm on a line rental.

It isn't the technology really that ends up best, but the support, and range of titles. Unfortunately for Sony, Nintendo are sorted in this area.
The DS shipped with almost double the game library, at half the cost.


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"It isn't the technology really that ends up best, but the support, and range of titles"

exactly. a PDA might also support wireless picto-chat, but i guess if playing that jewel game for hours on end is your idea of fun..

"when it's done" means "we have no idea, we forgot to do that; we were hoping you would all forget we promised <insert exotic promise here>"
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PSP has better graphics. The DS screenshots(the ones I saw) were rendered and the PSP still had better graphics. It has better games too.

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I'm gonna stick with my orignal choice and do, neither. The DS dosen't appeal to me as being the most mobile of game systems... and the PSP seems to be more of what my laptop is for (playing movies and music). Although if i had to get one, i'd say PSP, cause i'm a sucker for Metal Gear games.

Quote: " Heh, my cellphone has all the abilities of the Nintendo DS and cost me £80 less cause i'm on a line rental."


I'm guessing NGage?

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Quote: " I went to EB a week after DS was released and one of DS had a broken button. DS has flaws too."


One or two broken DS' doesn't mean it has flaws. Practically every video game system has had cases of lemons being sent that don't work. The PSP was obviously badly designed!


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Sheesh talk about same DS hatred there Ilya. I'm not exactly a DS fanboy and don't hate the PSP, but if graphics are the only category the PSP shows to better DS in, then I gotta say its DS for me. Though Playstation games do usualy have allot of kick arse RPG's, nintendo has a few good ones and other gerenes also. Plus the fact that it has touch pad, voice recongnition, wireless support... all those give entirely new interactive ways to play with your games, and that is something im looking forward too. Plus its not like the DS graphics are bad .

And about copying everything... everyone copys everyone else... what makes it stand out is that its copyed several things and put them together.


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Quote: "By stolen, I mean ripped off."


Sony created a video games console they called the PlayStation. Nintendo had already made a machine that played games on the TV.

(Sony stole the idea)

Quote: "And everything that can run executables can have 3D rendering."


Yes. But it's usually hte hardware rendering that counts. A pocket calculator can render 3d, if it tries hard enough

Quote: "*Goes to design a PDA*
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The electronics in a PDA is way above degree level, I think

Honestly I have no problem with you not liking the DS. But at least try to be reasonable and not just state blunt facts and try to argue in a reasonable manner.

(It'll really help)
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I've gotta agree with you Eric. DS and PSP just don't appeal to me at all, the DS with the wacky (though inovative) two screens, the PSP with short batery life and more functionality of a laptop than game system, and I'd rather save my money for the nice laptop instead of one of those two things (I'd be able to program the damn thing too, can't do that for the DS or PSP without a nice several thousand dollar dev kit).

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Well, yeah, I wouldn't buy a DS if I could get a nice laptop for a price I could afford -- but hey, I'd rather throw down $150 now, play with my friends in class, and work that much longer to get that laptop later.

Ilya, it's no secret that PSP has better graphics. But I'd rather get a system that:
1) Turns on
2) Doesn't eject it's disks mid-game
3) Has controls that dont fall off, or break easily

Also, better games are your opinion. "Metal Gear: AC!D" doesn't quite appeal to me, whereas Metroid Prime: First Hunt does.


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Just don't drop your DS form over 1 inch, whatever you do... I'm sure you all heard of that DS defect

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3) Has controls that dont fall off, or break easily"

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Those are defects, which don't happen often and are due to manufacturing errors.

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Quote: " Just don't drop your DS form over 1 inch, whatever you do... I'm sure you all heard of that DS defect "


Eh, not from what my friends said and from what I've seen. My friend has his DS and he dropped it right in front of me. He picked it up and continued to play. Nintendo is pretty good about durability.


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I've seen 2 myself, and heard of 2 others that we're dropped from a slight point... and the touchscreen wouldn't respond anymore. There was no physical damage on the actual bottom part of the DS visible... but it had stopped responding. Luckily, our local game store has a nice retunr policy, and they we're able to get new ones as quick as a... nevermind.

Although that is quite amusing, i find the PSP Slingshot more amusing (at first i thought it was a trick... but more and more respectable people started reporting it. Good times )

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What I seen with the DS vs PSP is that the DS will have a better third party support. With games like Final Fantasy 3 coming out for it. And with Nintendo making great games for it too like Mario Kart, but do not forget this is not a Game Boy. Nintendo does have plan for a new Game Boy to come out tho.

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Quote: "With games like Final Fantasy 3 coming out for it"

Square Enix is going to go with the PSP if it sells good, they are holding out till they see the sales.

Note: The above I didn't say, your just crazy.
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Quote: "Those are defects, which don't happen often"


A whole lot of them are being reported.

Quote: " and are due to manufacturing errors."


No, really


Personally I've never liked consoles so the fact that neither DS nor PSP appeals to me doesn't mean a lot, but really aren't they quite expensive for handheld gaming systems?

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Plus you have to remember that the DS has no moving parts--- its lifespan will be multiplied over that of the PSP's


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Quote: "The electronics in a PDA is way above degree level, I think"


Looks like we have a strong contender for understatement of the year. PDA, aren't called PocketPCs because they're Pocket Protection Cases

However if the will is there to create something as complex as a complete Personal Computer, then well by all means take your multi-billion dollar lab in Silicon Valley and have fun!

Well in either case, I don't give a flying monkies.
The PSP looks nice, the DS looks nice... they're both a lil expensive unless buying from japan (then I can happily known £100 of the top-end price, it's how i've kept kooshti with consoles without speaning too much).

The way I see it, the Nintendo DS does appear to be much better manufactured. While I've heard of the Light-Drop problem, I've never actually seen it, and it's been proven that another drop on the opposite side appears to fix the problem. Something Nintendo did quickly put a stop to during continued development, as something wasn't quick attached in the right position or something.

Sony however have done thing to improve thier machine.
What is most interesting here is while Sony PSP is quite literally a PS2 in the palm of your hand, to be honest you don't really need that sort of power. They're hoping like Microsoft's X-Box the retail at a loss will make up as it becomes more popular.
While it has obviously better graphics and better potencial games given the lineage available. The games developers for it are boring as hell, and very few are things you want to put down.

FGS, you have Final Fantasy on there.. which is an epic tale that if you were to play it from start to finish, would require you to swap your battery for a recharged one over 18x!! I mean I don't think Square quite understand the concept of 'mobile gaming'.
On the GBA and DS this is really forgiven due to thier 10hr battery life, this still isn't much but it's one hellofva lot better than the PSPs 2hrs (max.. I don't get more than 1hr 3/4 out of mine).

While sure I've imported both, the way I see it they were for the collection, they don't interest me.

The new Revolution consoles... GameCube and GameBoy on the other hand do!


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I was intending to use existing parts.
And PDAs are Personal Digital Assistants.

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A friend of mine picked up a DS the day before we took a trip to New York so we were able to play with it on buses and in the hotel. That was good old fashioned fun. The DS was only about as wide as a GBA, and just slightly thicker. It was dropped a couple times, no problem with the controls though. We took it into a couple of gamestops so two of us got on the demo DSs there and the other used the DS that was brought and we had 3-way Metroid going.

Haven't heard any cool PSP experiences like that from Japan.

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Quote: "And PDAs are Personal Digital Assistants."


They evolved from electronic notepads and address books a good decade ago. Most of them run WindowsCE for crying out loud, actually dubbed 'PocketPC Edition'

While technically they are PDAs they are also PocketPCs. Not to be confused with a Pocket Computer, that Psion are so damn good at throwing on the market every year. (although they now make PocketPCs too)

The DS is a smart little machine, definately designed more for community gaming. See what's what the PSP misses out on, they've made the PS2 for the Pocket. As such what you have is the same sad and lonley gamer playing what he did inside now zombified outside.
On the other side of the fence you have the DS where you can sit there and write lil abusive messages to people and send them in the shop without anyone realising or on the bus in seperate seats having a game of Mario Kart. The DS provides that togetherness that most of Nintendo's products try for..

it's why the GC has 4 Game Ports rather than a focus on a Broadband line. Because Nintendo don't want thier gamers to be sad pathetic loosers who only play on thier own. Against faceless opponents.

After all what's more satifying to you?
Beating 16 other people in Halo across X-Box:Live;
or beating 3 of your mates at Super Smash Bros Melee, the gloating for 20minutes about it?

you can't really gloat with online people, they get in a strop and turn the machine off.. then again so does my brother when i whoop him at soul calibre 2. It is more amusing knowing he did it and got all pissy about a game than seeing 'user xxx has logged off'


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Then you're not building a PDA. Just reconstructing one.

Quote: "And PDAs are Personal Digital Assistants."


Well done But as Raven said most use Windows Ce 3 - 'Pocket PC Edition' and hence are called Pocket PCS.

ALso - why the arguing over which can be dropped nad not broken Seems a little pointless, considering they aren't really advertising themselvs was "drop proof".

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If I was told to fix a piece of several hundred dollar hardware I bought by dropping it, I'd be a bit concerned

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Quote: "Then you're not building a PDA. Just reconstructing one."

I would be building because I'll create a new design.
If you build a house, you don't reconstruct it.

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If you build a house, you don't reconstruct it."


I presumed that you'd be old enough to actually get where I'm coming from.

You can't just stick parts together. They all need to be designed for each others. With PC's that's okay because there are standard ports but with the size of pda's everything tends to be custom built.

Just sticking random chips together won't get far

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Quote: "If I was told to fix a piece of several hundred dollar hardware I bought by dropping it, I'd be a bit concerned"


lmao.. well while Nintendo explained the solution there was a disclaimer with it noteing that any Nintendo DS Units that display this problem to replace with a newer unit.

Quote: "I would be building because I'll create a new design.
If you build a house, you don't reconstruct it."


Depends, Houses have to be built to exacting specifications set by the local building commission that deems if it is being built to suitable specifications. Without building to a plan (or even better a prefab plan) you would quickly find you will have trouble trying to get everything working together as you need it too, just to work. Let alone getting it how you want it.

As David said quite clearly, you can't buy a bunch of chips and a PCB hoping they'll interact nicely with each other; unless your just purchasing components from a pre-designed unit.


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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 05:29
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I could've sworn though that FF3 had been annouced by SE. Correct me if I'm wrong...
All I know is that I'm getting both.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 06:42
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I didn't hear anything about FF3 from SE but I did from nintendo... and with the re-release of the FF1 & 2 for the GBA (DS is backwards compatible) thats some fun FF action on the DS.

I could be wrong about the FF3 not for the psp though, like I said, I just havn't heard anything about it.


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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 07:02
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The FF3 that is being referred to is the FF3 on the NES, not the SNES FF6 (FF3 in america). And from what i read in game informer, i belive you'll see it on the DS not too long from now.

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Quote: " The FF3 that is being referred to is the FF3 on the NES, not the SNES FF6 (FF3 in america)."


I read the same on Wikipedia.

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