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The Real 87
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Posted: 28th Dec 2004 17:55
you all must think I am talking about Longhorn, you're wrong.

Infact production has begun on microsoft's next windows codenamed "Blackcomb".

Expected release in 2010.


I didn't think they thought that fa into the future, or that they would start making it before Longhorn was realeased.

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Posted: 28th Dec 2004 18:00
Actually, Blackcomb is the network OS they are working on. From what i understand it is gonna have a Server and Client install. Other then that, I don't know too much about it.

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Posted: 28th Dec 2004 19:44
the 3d ness of longhorn looks interesting.


but this shot of photoshop is a little misleading. Even tho u can run photoshop on the new OS, MacOSX has 200 new features that combine to photoshop which poor MS wont be able to access.




more screenies here if your interested.
http://www.longhorn.pronetworks.us/screenshots/4074.html

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Posted: 28th Dec 2004 20:17
Hows Longhorn lookin' ? Fast ? Stable ?

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Posted: 28th Dec 2004 22:54
>_>

From people who pirated the Alpha, they said it was slow, and buggy (obviously).


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Posted: 28th Dec 2004 23:06
looks pretty good


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Posted: 28th Dec 2004 23:08
They've got a year or so left if they want to make the 2006 deadline...

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Posted: 28th Dec 2004 23:24 Edited at: 28th Dec 2004 23:38
Yeah, i haven't "borrowed" (a good term to use when it comes to these alphas and betas) Longhorn in about 5 months. Last time i used it, was buggy, and pretty slow on this system. Might "borrow" a copy later today and check it out.

Thats if i can find a blank CD or 4 that is (funny how its never a fact of 'if i can find it', not anymore )

Edit: I'm reading the last few builds have been rubbish. Specially the latest 64bit build which lacks... well almost everything. No Dx, nothing. So i think i'll hold off for another few months then pick her up.

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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 01:09
They probably did the 3d bits in DBP...now MS is just waiting on U6, and can't do anything without TGC getting on with the upgrades.



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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 03:15
Longhorn has this new rendering engine that uses DirectX. There was this cool video with somebody dragging a window around and the window acts like a piece of cloth.

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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 04:43
I think jerbil's right. I'd like to see their code for that cloth effect window. I have some curtains that would look good if they behaved liked that.


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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 05:56
I have two questions that have been bugging me for some time:

1) What will Longhorns release name be?
2) What was XP's code name?

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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 06:04
Quote: "What will Longhorns release name be? "

No idea

Quote: "What was XP's code name?"

Whistler

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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 06:05
TCA's right I got a laptop with an oem version of windows... When I go to boot her in safemode, and it asks me which OS, the list consists of "Windows Whistler" ^_^

I have the coolest version of windows on the block!


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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 06:13
not to forget buggiest


3d meets 2d
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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 06:16
Doubtful, I'm sure the windows updates took care of that... well, I'm sure underneath all the crazy text the OS is the exact same as yours


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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 06:18
lol...and look at my post in the new forum finally thread


3d meets 2d
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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 06:34
hmm that 3d looks seriously cpu sapping, has it ever occured to MS that you don`t need 3d for the app that allows you to run your apps?, a black dos screen with "photoshop.exe" on it will do that when you press enter, it`s true what they say, Intel giveth and Microsoft taketh away, your prolly gonna need 1.5ghz to run windows this time and 40 gig of hd, I`d prefer smaller and faster/more stable/secure/customisable/modular (don`t want networking?...leave it out).

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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 06:45
The 3D system is optionaly and only really used to show off what can be done. The reason for using DirectX is to allow smoother movement on the desktop.

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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 08:13
Anyone have the 3D Video Demo? I'd like to see it!


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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 09:54
I just don't see the point in having 3D windows.

What's with MS using our BC ski hills for Windows code-names? Whistler, Blackcomb, Longhorn, etc. etc. Kinda nice


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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 10:01
Quote: "I just don't see the point in having 3D windows."


Novelty factor?


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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 10:25 Edited at: 29th Dec 2004 10:26
@ Jeku
Quote: "I just don't see the point in having 3D windows."


Though I gotta agree with you, probably uses more resources. I don't see why not to have them . Cool 3D


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Posted: 29th Dec 2004 18:49
As Microsoft have said with some of their demos, there is no real point - its just to show what is possible.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2004 01:06
Quote: "Though I gotta agree with you, probably uses more resources. I don't see why not to have them . Cool 3D"


And the fact that it'll lead to even cooler OS's.. for example, we get a 3d desktop now, but how about in 10 years if touchscreens become common in the household, then we can navigate a 3d desktop using a finger then it grows from there, just think, using computers like in "Jurassic Park" with that 3d file manager, or in "Independance Day" with the alien computer system

Nothing wrong with advancing, and we can still run our heave duty servers and powerhorses in a prompt interface with nice 3d client machines


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Posted: 30th Dec 2004 01:19
I originally heard about Longhorn about 18 months ago. It's been in development at least since they released WinXp.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2004 02:39
Quote: "Nothing wrong with advancing, and we can still run our heave duty servers and powerhorses in a prompt interface with nice 3d client machines
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I'd still rather see a good stable client machine that's not pretty than a bloated OS that's filled with "cool" 3D menus that aren't necessary.


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so tell me... would you go back to "gopher" for all your web needs

Would you go back to DOS for your OS needs?

I Don't think so We love our graphical OS's and Internet pages too much..

So the big jump now between current OS's and future OS's in terms of interface is the 2D to 3D jump^_^


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Posted: 30th Dec 2004 02:45
Quote: "I'd still rather see a good stable client machine that's not pretty than a bloated OS that's filled with "cool" 3D menus that aren't necessary."


Absolutely. It really annoys me how much time they're spending on new bells and whistles that do nothing useful but bloat the OS size, RAM usage and system requirments, undoubtedly leaving instabilies and glitches aplenty in their wake. So far the only Longhorn feature I've heard that I've really liked is that they're ditching GDI+ and the new system has no trailing-- that's good, it was very annoying and slowed work down. But the whole 3d menus thing is useless (and undoubtedly a pain to manage with a 2d cursor!)

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Quote: "I'd still rather see a good stable client machine that's not pretty than a bloated OS that's filled with "cool" 3D menus that aren't necessary."

Agreed.

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I agree,

But I've gotta say, I run XP for days and days and days on end, I've no problems

Same with 2000^_^

I say their OS is pretty darn stable for all the bloat it's got

But I agree, I would like to see less buggy software coming out of MS x_x


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Je deteste winXP, but I use it anyway because it came with the computer

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" so tell me... would you go back to "gopher" for all your web needs"

Hell no, but I'd rather use a minimalist browser like Firefox than IE anyday.

"Would you go back to DOS for your OS needs?"

Nope, because the GUI makes everyday computing tasks (cutting and pasting, moving, creating, deleting files etc.) much quicker and easier than typing everything in. I don't know anyone that would say the GUI has been a drawback as a whole. But useless features--- who needs 'em?

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heh, well, longhorn is the first step to a fully 3d interface


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We don't need a fully 3D interface, its useless.

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mmhmm... I'm sure you'll be saying that in 20-30 years when you strap on you "navigator glove" and start up Windows 3D Ultra Supa OS and start navigating through terabytes of data in 3d space on your holographic projector screen while checking your video 3d projection email in your super cool 3d projection email client


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Oh no I really won't. I hopefully won't be using Windows by then

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Linux'll have one too but you can guantee it'll be 10x better and 100x harder

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lol
@ all of u
but anyway yea the 3d is cool but of course it woudlbe hard to handle on a 2d screen and wiht a 2d pointing device now what they need is a 3-d mouse that goes in and out of depth but i believe in win2k just basic gui nothign fancy or showoffy i dotn like xp better cause i have had many problesm with xp being slow on a 256mb 2.7ghz machine with everyupdate (also has any one got souynd bugs like i have with directx9.0c all ym sound worked perfect until i updated form 9.0b to c)

ummm i say they come out with a light vcersion or somehting that is cheaper with less bulk no fancy 3-d and not nearly as many "possible" vonuribelitys

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Moving in and out of depth with the mouse would be easy if you had to hold a mouse button or something to move...

From what I can tell about the 3D desktop is that it's the same as 2D but cascading in faux-3D space and the camera is from an angle: it will make no difference (what about full-screen!?), but will look great

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They want to make Windows seem more attractive and easier to use for kids and older uses to make more money. In the end it all comes down to money.

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And the grey vote...

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ah - a poem from three old programmers in a taxi...

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Indeed. At least part of it.


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Doesnt look very 3D to me. See pic.

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Longhorn, replaces Windows XP Home / Professional
Blackcomb, replaces Windows .NET Business

Effectively they're pretty identical underneath.
Both using Windows NT 5.4 Kernel, running on XNA & Avalon: which is a combination of DirectX 9.1 and .NET Framework 2.0

What it offers everyday people over Windows XP is just really what you see on the surface. Originally Windows Longhorn, was destined to be a 100% .NET Windows.. however, there are an aweful large number of problems that have crept into 'backward' compatibility. This is why there have been 2 designs on the go at once, there was a worry over feasibility of Compatibility with the new technology... So unfortunately the end-result is a Windows XP upgrade more or less.

About what Windows Millennium is compared to 95. A bastardisation of both technologies in order to force compatibility until the market is ready to stand on it's .NET legs.
You'll find the exact same thing in the MacOS X.1, that is due for release sometime at the end of the up-comming year.

However on the part of bloat. You are *still* looking at additional multi-platform capabilities (just not to the degree originally hoped), much smaller executables, more stable executables, more reliance on Libraries rather than in-line code.

As alot of what is being offered really will mean nothing to the pc-illeterate amongst us, what Microsoft have done is added visual effects, customisation, etc.. something people understand.
People understand, 'Instant Internet Access', 'Cloth Effect Desktops', and a-like.
You just say 'Avalon' to someone and they'll probably think 'King Aurthur'

Generally speaking if you've ever seen i-Robot, just think of the people as Will Smith; and Microsoft technology as Dr Kallum.
Techno-babble is all well as good, but lost on those who only understand plain english.

If you want to know what it technically adds to the series then Microsoft have an entire website and developer site dedicated to thier new OS and technologies behind it.


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Quote: "Doesnt look very 3D to me. See pic."


Whoop-de-doo, looks like someone hasn't looked at the pictures from the first page.

@Benjamin: ...and you just steal his sig? Pay him a bit of respect.

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