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CattleRustler
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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 05:06 Edited at: 20th Jan 2005 05:56
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http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket775/p5gd2-d/overview.htm

CPU
Intel P4 - 3.2 Ghz socket 775 800fsb HyperThread

PCI-Express Video
http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/en6800/overview.htm

HDD (2 drives)
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=83

The Other Goodies:
2 x 512 MB Dual Channel DDR2/533 RAM
ATX Mini-Server Tower w/460w PSU
Generic dvd-rom/cd-rom 16x/48x
floppy drive

I will have the parts friday at noon!
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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 06:01
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Very good choice
Great Graphics card, top notch motherboard & cpu
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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 06:22
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Quote: "Intel P4 - 3.2 Ghz socket 775 800fsb HyperThread"


Not going to go for a Pentium 4 3.2 GHz HCT64? While people do make alot of note over how '64bit Processors are a waste of time right now', the problem is unless people use them we'll be forever stick with Intel's 32-bit processors. AMD don't appear to have the market influence past Gamers to actually make a great deal of difference in this area. Please god make Intel upgrade to 64bit Processing!!
Not just for the sake of letting technology *finally* take a step forward. Seriously, how much longer do we have to put-up with the arcaic x86-32 Architecture!?! Just thank god that the graphics card manufacturers are finally taking a more 'console' approach to thier new PCI-X cards, by adding HyperMemory and TurboCache

As for the graphics card, personally I think this area depends on what your going to do with it.
You can get SLi (2x) 6600GT PCI-X for about 2/3 the price of the 6800 Standard PCI-X and is capable of pushing much quicker performance than even the 6800 Ultra

While sure the Memory Through-Put is quicker on the 256-bit Memory Interface of the 6800, the fact is that this won't really hinder performance much until your trying to run something like Unreal 3 at some nice high-resolution heh (but you could still take solis on the fact it's out-performing your mates X850 PE XT by almost double mwhahahaa).
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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 06:46
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Looks great, how much did it cost?


On another note here is the PC I am getting:


If you haven't realised I'm building this PC bit by bit, something to look forward to, have fun with and learn some stuff (and not make a thread on till it's finished ).

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 07:14
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Nice

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 07:36
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thanks! cant wait for the stuff to arrive at the shop friday. all told the parts listed above came out to just under $1500.00 (usd)

could saved around 25% by going top notch 8x agp but I decided to get crazy with the pci_E, and not build a new machine for quite a while. This current one is almost 6! ick! LOL

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 07:37
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Should be a good computer
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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 08:00 Edited at: 20th Jan 2005 08:05
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Quote: "$1500.00"




First, the PCI-e 6600GT 128MB, overclocked a bit, is as powerful as the 6800 as far as I can tell, and about $100 cheaper. So maybe that'd be a bit of a better choice.

Second, where do you buy your parts? That config for that price is way too expensive for my tastes.

I could probably find all of the parts needed for this config:



For $942.09 w/o Shipping. So, you seem to be buying parts from way too expensive places. Maybe you should take a look around Newegg.

[Edit] Though, I'm not sure how that RAM will affect the price, I've never seen anything higher than DDR400 speeds at Newegg.

[Edit 2] Wow, $65 for a 256 Stick at DDR533 speeds. I'll take my $60 Wintec 512 Sticks any day.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 10:03 Edited at: 20th Jan 2005 10:03
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Quote: "First, the PCI-e 6600GT 128MB, overclocked a bit, is as powerful as the 6800 as far as I can tell, and about $100 cheaper. So maybe that'd be a bit of a better choice."


What? It's slower and it has half the RAM.

Quote: "Wow, $65 for a 256 Stick at DDR533 speeds. I'll take my $60 Wintec 512 Sticks any day."


pc133 RAM is antiquated and slow as a dead snail in comparisin. Enjoy it

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 10:16 Edited at: 20th Jan 2005 10:44
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Quote: "What? It's slower and it has half the RAM."


Well, I'm just going by the benchmark tests I've seen, and they're pretty damn close. You also gotta remember that half the time I have no idea what I'm talking about

Also:
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT Core Speed: 700 Mhz
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Core Speed: 325 Mhz
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT RAM Speed: 1000 Mhz
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ram Speed: 700 Mhz

It's got a nice supply of faster ram too ya know, and core speeds are faster, though the chipset isn't as good.

Quote: "pc133 RAM is antiquated and slow as a dead snail in comparisin. Enjoy it"


Nah, I'm referring to a PC3200, not PC133. While not as fast as a PC533, is fast enough for me (considering I've been using a PC2700 in my hunk of crap system for the past few years and have had no complaints, I'd say a 3200 would be a nice upgrade from it).

[Edit] Anyway, the point of my last post was to say he's spending more money than what would be needed. Here's another config I bunched together. Essentially the same stats as the one he came up with (PCI-Express 6800 with what I'm guessing by reviews an equivalent processor), except with a bit less HD space, and of course the dreaded PC3200 RAM:



Price: $997.45, doesn't leave as much room for shipping as the last one. Limited to PC3200 because I couldn't find an AMD PCI-Express Mobo that supported anything greater than that.

Of course, I'm sure there are LGA 775 socket mobo's w/PCI-Express that allow faster RAM. Will check for that now.

[Edit Again] Right, same config as his (though an IDE HD instead of SATA), for about $250 less ($1247 to be exact, w/o shipping).



[More Edit, yay] And if you were to make that IDE HD an SATA, just add about $10 more. Clicky.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 22:52 Edited at: 20th Jan 2005 22:53
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yay, now add shipping and tax
the mem is DDR2 btw

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 23:41
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Quote: "yay, now add shipping and tax"


Shouldn't cost more than $50 from Newegg. 2-4 Day shipping too. Gotta love em

Total doesn't even reach $1350 w/shipping and that SATA HD. You could have used that extra $150 to buy a cheap wacom or something.

Quote: "the mem is DDR2 btw
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Yeah, I shoved two 512 DDR2 533 sticks into the second config.

Well, I gotta say, this thread has got me thinking about quite a few things for my computer upgrade. Now I just need to get the money for it

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 23:47 Edited at: 21st Jan 2005 03:10
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Did anyone even look at my post?

EDIT: I've decided to make my specs into a little display thing like CR did Let's hope the links work...



Mobo:
£50.47: 1x £50.47 Gigabyte GA-K8NS nForce3 250 Skt 754 1000FSB, DDR400, SATA RAID LAN, 8ch Audio, USB2, ATX

Processor
£80.48: 1x AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 64 bit Retail inc.fan (3 yr.warr.) Skt 754

RAM:
£52.67: 2x Crucial CT6464Z40B 512mb DDR 400MHz PC3200 CL=3 Memory Module

GFX Card:
£135.07: 1x ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB DDR 8X AGP DVI TV Out OEM (256 bit)

HDDs:
£54.24: 2x Maxtor 6Y120M0 120GB Serial ATA 8mb Cache 7200rpm - OEM

Additional:
£40.48: 1x NEC ND-3500 Double Layer Dual 16x DVD R/RW - OEM Black
£14.09: 1x Ebuyer 500w Power Supply Black With Dual Fans
£9.64: 1x D-Link 10/100/1000MBPS Copper Gigabit PCI Card for PC
£??.??: 1x Deluxworld M9512 4-1 Pack - Case Keyboard Mouse Speakers BOUGHT (It was less than displayed price)
£??.??: 1x Microsoft USB Mouse with 4 Buttons and a Scroll Wheel (which is a button) - Got ages ago (last PC)
£00.00: 1x Creative Inspire 5.1 Speakers - Got yesterday for free

TOTAL: £544.05

Note: The prices for multiple items are not totals and all the prices include VAT.


EDIT: One of the prices has dropped making it £542

EDIT: For the ninth time: Excel sheet showing specs with links and real prices is in download box. Now I'm finished I need something else to entertain me

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Posted: 21st Jan 2005 06:40 Edited at: 21st Jan 2005 06:42
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preston, you also didnt include the right PSU - you need 450w minimum, with minimum 3 dedicated harnesses...

dont know if that makes a big diff in the prices you have.
also, what tax rate are you using?

I do agree my guy charges a lil more here and there, but not drastically different - its worth it to have the shop right near by to go to in case anything is screwed up, and I need to beat someone senseless

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Posted: 21st Jan 2005 11:16 Edited at: 21st Jan 2005 11:17
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Quote: "you also didnt include the right PSU - you need 450w minimum"


Says 350w on Newegg for all of the 6800 line. Guess they're wrong

But an upgraded PSU shouldn't cost much more. Found a few that'd do, though the prices for the second too...well lets just say now I'm seeing how your total price got to $1500:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-163-017&depa=0
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-008&depa=0
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-010&depa=0

And to be honest, I don't actually know what "3 dedicated harnesses" are. Are they plugs from the PSU to the mobo or something?

Either way, I'm sure one of those three PSU's would be a resonable choice.

Quote: "also, what tax rate are you using?"


...haha, thats a good question. Guess I got used to companies like HP not applying tax for their products that I forgot all about it

And since I can't be arsed to create a newegg account right now, I'll take a guess at 6% (PA State Tax). $1391.78 w/ the new Thermaltake W0013 Silent Purepower 480W PSU, and probably only around $1450 w/shipping also. Yeah, now I can see where the whole $1500 thing came from, easily.

I can also see how much of an idiot I've been in this thread, and I laugh

Sorry about that.

Oh well, me thinks I've embarassed myself enough in this thread, I'll stop now.

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not at all, I was just curious. tax here is .08625 btw
oh that harness thing is each dedicated braid coming out of the psu - quite honestly I am not too sure but thats what the pciE card recommended so thats what I got - meh :S

rock on.

13 hours until new pc parts - me tries to sleep now on this glorious xmas eve!


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Posted: 21st Jan 2005 23:18
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off to CompUSA to pick Halflife 2 and a new gamepad (have doom 3 here still wrapped) then off to pick up my new pc parts!

wish me luck

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good luck.
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Quote: "Says 350w on Newegg for all of the 6800 line. Guess they're wrong"


That's the bare minimum for the video card-- with large quantities of / fast RAM, large/fast HDDs, sound cards, fast CD-ROM drive, etc, you need more and more. I've got a 350w and it barely handles my GeForce 5200fx / 16x DVD-rom / Seagate 120gb hdd / 256mb pc133 RAM rig.

By the way, I like to think that my owning pc133 RAM doesn't make me a hypocrite, it makes my computer a fair warning . RAM is the bottleneck with just about everything on this system, speed and quantity wise. Eugh.

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If you want an amazing PC at a reasonable cost, go for a Advent T9202..... Thats what i got.. if u want above 2000FPS on a rotating cube, its worth splashing your cash. It costs £1200.

Specs:
19" Monitor
Pentium 4 HT Processor 550 3.4GHz
DVD/CD RW
DVD/DVD Rom drive
400GB Harddrive
1024DDR memory (RAM)
ATi radeon x600 pro 256MB
8-Channel sound card
Sterio TV Ariel input (watch tv and record TV)
FM ariel input (Listen to th radio)
Wireless card
LAN card
56K PCI fax modem
Composite In port (Play the xbox(or any console) on the PC and record it)

Makes you Go oooooo yeh when u play a game! But to every pc there is a downside. All there is wrong with the PC is the speakers (That are on the monitor) they are rubbish. So you need to get new speakers. I got surround sound, the PC supports it.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2005 13:02
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56k modems should be banned for fast machines.
go for an sgi if you have the cash to waist.
http://www.sgi.com/products/visualization/prism/overview.html

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2005 14:11
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meh, just got pc in place... Had a few problems: dvd/cdrom wasnt bootable both in bois and in windows, had to use a spare cdrom drive. Had a few missing/bad driver issues with new board and all its insane sh*t - got it pretty much sorted after SP4 and all win updates (meh x 2). The main stuff seems to be functioning normally - I am about to jam in a few games and see what we gots!



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Posted: 22nd Jan 2005 14:12 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2005 14:12
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Good luck

(I'm 99% sure you already have, but in case, try all the IDE cables with the drive, also different power cables, & check jumpers)

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righto, all is fine with those. somethings up with the drive.
Ill post a new thread on this issue if I cant resolve it soon. Colud be that the drive is just crapped out

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