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glyvin101
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I for one dont think that anyone would spend there money to buy a game that someone made in FPS creator beause they could just buy fps creator and make there own coo games. Saying that is there any way we will be albe to freely distruibute our games via the website
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Having the tools to create a game and being able to create a game are different stories.

Do you have a pencil at home?
Can you create poems now? Or a interesting story which would not bore the reader?

It is still a dream that a cool tool lets you create things you could not without it. But the tool can not wake "creativity" if it is not already part of you.

A game needs a story, a plot, a goal - ok, not talking about tetris here.

But to your question:
Yes you can freely give your game away.
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yes but this creator has pre fabs it does not have the possibilities such as dark basic or C++ so people could create a game very similar to the one you amek with poems eveything is origianal and your own and can you please answer the other part of my question wil lyou be able to share them on the website for free
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Noldor
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Its not only prefabs. You can make your whole
own environment with your own models. It dont
see it as being soo easy to copy.
There are prefabs yes but you dont have to use them
you can draw out your own rooms too.
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glyvin101
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this is true but i still dont think that anyone will buy a game that someone made in FPS creator. you may be able to design you own rooms and stuff but u cant change the physic engine or some of the AI and there are many other things that cannot be changed. I think that if you wanted to have a chance of selling your game you would need to use programing like c++ or dpb
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I think people would buy a game for $5. Just think about it. How easy is it really to recreate a game even if they didn't use there own media, AI or phyisics engine. You would have to spend hours and hours in front of your computer trying to remake the game.

I would buy a cool game for $4 or $5. But if somebody made a really cool game with a lot of their own media and scriping you pretty much can't recreate their game. I would pay maybe $15. It's not that easy making up a good action game with a great story even if you don't have to code it.

What I am trying to say is that I think you can sell your games even if somebody else could remake it. I sure wouldn't have the time to remake a game. Would you?

@Glyvin101 why do you have to make such a big deal about things!
Quote: "I for one dont think that anyone would spend there money to buy a game that someone made in FPS creator beause they could just buy fps creator and make there own coo games."

THEN DON'T SELL OR BUY YOUR GAMES! It really is easy isn't it.

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just making converstation
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ohhh. I understand.

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glyvin101
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latley no one has been posting anything
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I have. like right now.

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As I recall, there were a number of games that had a modest amount of commercial success that were made with the GCS, which was, essentially, a first person shooter creator. That's also been true of a few of the non-fps-creator tools.

I think it's the innovation, creativity, and skill of the creator that's most important, not the tool. I agree that FPSC is more limited than many of the negines out there (like DBPro), but I expect that many people will be able to make some money off FPSC.

There are also those, like fdecker, who won't make money by selling games directly, but by using FPSC to educate others. I can envision a number of educational uses for the product. I can also see it being used for advergaming, product demonstrations, live walkthroughs of proposed buildings or homes, etc.

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Quote: "Do you have a pencil at home?
Can you create poems now? Or a interesting story which would not bore the reader?"


FPSC is a bit different though - that analagy is more akin to DBPro.

Quote: " Saying that is there any way we will be albe to freely distruibute our games via the website "


In theory yes, but if a game uses many custom prefabs / scripts they'd need to be present on any machine that is the run the game.

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Quote: "In theory yes, but if a game uses many custom prefabs / scripts they'd need to be present on any machine that is the run the game.
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I thought it would create a single exe or archive which contains
all assets used in this game.
Or is a published game merely a collection of .wav .bmp .exe +
additional asset files?

Maybe I got the initial question wrong. But I guess he ment if the
license allows him to give his "compiled/unchangable" game away
without the need to pay an additional fee.
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Quote: "I for one dont think that anyone would spend there money to buy a game that someone made in FPS creator beause they could just buy fps creator and make there own coo games. Saying that is there any way we will be albe to freely distruibute our games via the website"


Quote: " latley no one has been posting anything"


Writing your posts in comprehendible English might help.


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yes and err.... by the way:

Quote: "but u cant change the physic engine or some of the AI "


actually.... you CAN write your own AI...


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Quote: "I thought it would create a single exe or archive which contains
all assets used in this game.
Or is a published game merely a collection of .wav .bmp .exe +
additional asset files?"


Anybody can run the .exe, it's just the .fpm files that need your resources.

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@KLU 007
He said "Some of the AI".
Meaning you cant change every
part of the ai. You can make your
own behavior for the monsters but
the basic AI characteristics are Hard
coded.
For example you can probably
not script an enemy to find cover from
your field of vision and then duck behind
it and then only put his gun around the
corner to fire at you.

Altouh you could probably make it run away
from you in a random direction and more
simple stuff like that.
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Quote: "For example you can probably
not script an enemy to find cover from
your field of vision and then duck behind
it and then only put his gun around the
corner to fire at you."


Off-topic question - why do all of your posts have the text cut off after ever 5th word or so? It's really weird.

On-topic comment - Actually, yes you could script the AI to move to a covered location and duck and run a different animation (which could be the gun poking out). The scripting is a lot more flexible than you'd think (and dare I say it, a lot harder to use than most people are expecting too, but more on that later).

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Unless all the posers out there use the default models that come with fpsc, people can buy your games. If you make your unique own level, people will also buy your games.

The thing oyu need is FREAKIN CREATIVITY which make sme really angry, becaus epeopel these days just make some crappy levels and use default models, then expect for their game to sell.

Also, I know you dont like coding, all the peopel inthis forum dont (except me), but if you dcode some things that cant be done in fpsc alone, this will also add to your uniqueness.


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@Anime Civil
You are a 14 year old guy that keeps telling people
how great he is on this and that. You seem to find
a great need to brag about your "talents" on this
forum.
YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF A POSER.
BTW : You realy cant code new features into FPSC only
Lee can realy do that.

@Richard Davey
I cut my sentences up like that. Bad habbit i guess.
Hope that its not to hard on the eyes. I will try
to change my posting habbits.
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Why go eat at a restaurant when you can go to the grocery store, buy the ingredients, go home and make it yourself?

The stock graphics and other media aren't going to be that desirable to use in a published game. They will be good to test the features in FPSC and to prototype.
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Anime,
Since it only takes you 10 seconds to type your messages, PLEASE take another 10 seconds and convert them to english.

Also, please learn to spell the word maybe correctly.
You misspell it so consistently, that I think that's how you think maybe is spelled.

Sorry for the rant, just getting on my nerves.
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Quote: "all the peopel inthis forum dont (except me)"

what ??? I love coding. I am coding a lot ....but i have got no time to code my own 3d engine because its takes A LOT of time.
Coding knowledges : Assembler , Visual basic , java , "HTML", RGH profan , Turbo Pascal , ...
about in your age , i worked with the pie 3d game ceation system and created a game. ive also had a publisher for it.
Jus stop being so arrogant to other forum members. go out, find a girl....

yeah...thats the ticket !
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Quote: " i worked with the pie 3d game ceation system and created a game. ive also had a publisher for it."


Mr Flowerkohl - that's interesting. What was your game called and who published it for you? Did you actually sell any copies? Just curious

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@Anime Civil

Quote: "The thing oyu need is FREAKIN CREATIVITY which make sme really angry, becaus epeopel these days just make some crappy levels and use default models, then expect for their game to sell.
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The thing that makes me really angry are people that post without proofreading (does proofreading have a space or hyphen between it or not? ).

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Quote: "The thing that makes me really angry are people that post without proofreading (does proofreading have a space or hyphen between it or not? )."

No, I dont proofread.

Quote: " @Anime Civil
You are a 14 year old guy that keeps telling people
how great he is on this and that. You seem to find
a great need to brag about your "talents" on this
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YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF A POSER.
BTW : You realy cant code new features into FPSC only
Lee can realy do that."


I wasn't talking about me, I was talking about the overall of this forum. Please read my post again and again until you understand.


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Well i read your post over and over and i did understand.
By the way i was talking about you so you try reading
my post over and over again till you understand.
ok?
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Je non comprende


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Noldor
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Well that must prove something.
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Whoa, talk about a fast reply


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@clound of crows studios

i titled my game "splatter" ^^ it was a zombie-shooter made with that old engine.
and the publisher named "art and play". And no , i didnt sell any copies because art and play went out of business shortly before the finished boxed release of my game.
but ive had a publisher for whole europe and when this is possible with old cr*p...then imagine what you can do with fpsc we'll see whos da best....id software ... much work !
PS: i dont know if i am allowed to, but i could post some screenshots of my old game ?!?!?

yeah...thats the ticket !
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i have played your game. I think. (might have been a demo)
I played a Zombie game made with "pie GCS"
that was supposed to be real good.
(it was ok for being made with PIE)
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hmmm sure, noldor ? at this time i was 15 years old ^^ so 5 years have passed. i still have all game models and textures from it.

yeah...thats the ticket !
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yes i was about 16 years old when i played it and
i used "PIE gcs". (fun times)

i cant promise that it was your game but it was a
zombie game and it was kind of good.
(made with GCS)
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gcs for w95 or the old one ? you remember the old gcsgames homepage ? ^^

yeah...thats the ticket !
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Yes i actually used both versions. I got the DOS
package then i updated it. I liked the page
www.gcsgames.com were you cold post your own
game, enemys, effects, textures and other stuff.
It WAS a great resource for stuff and inspiration.
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The original page for Pie was www.pieskysoft.com.

And I hope we (or TGC) create a similar page where we can post games, code, media, etc. for FPSC. Maybe I'll do that on my server if no one else does. I've got plenty of space and bandwidth.

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Great "Logan 5"
we will then be very
gratefull.
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Quote: "And I hope we (or TGC) create a similar page where we can post games, code, media, etc. for FPSC. Maybe I'll do that on my server if no one else does. I've got plenty of space and bandwidth."

I've already suggested to Lee that he puts it on his "to do" list. No reply as of yet.

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Im afraid Lee's "to do" list is so full
he might not have time to breathe.
And i heard that oxygen is good for you.
(contrary to what i always believed)


EDIT : Its the excitement of the imminent release talking..
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Quote: "And no , i didnt sell any copies because art and play went out of business shortly before the finished boxed release of my game. "


That sucks! Well I'm sure you'll do much bigger and better things with FPSC! Good luck to ya King of the Zombies (aka Mr Flowerkohl)
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I know i posted a similar screen before.
Its a picture of an enemy model i am making
(its not done)
I will use FPSC to make a zombie game.
(will be kind of a followup to my unreleased doom mod)

I also wanted to show everyone that "Mr Flowerkohl" is
not the only king of the zombies.

Ohh well. I have writen the plot and mapped out several
of the levels so now its just a matter of getting FPSC.

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Quote: "I also wanted to show everyone that "Mr Flowerkohl" is
not the only king of the zombies. "


LOL! Sorry Noldor... perhaps when I see your game I can bestow you with the title "Master of Terror", "Lord of the Unholy" or "Knight of Blighted Festering Pox Ridden Corpses"

Quality work on your Zombie (as always). I'm looking forward to your game
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Thanks "Cloud of Crows Studios" i would love to have
all of those titles..
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Noldor, F****** excellent! This just makes me want to work with you more! I cannot wait until I get my new comp so I can start some sort of stuff. I really do want to work with you on something. If you make me some original models I'd gladly make some original music/Sound FX for you. Zombie/horror based of course!
Seriously though, excellent stuff.

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How about the title "Creator of Zombies Masquerading as Vampires". I know I brought this up before, but I decided to annoy you some more. I will say that it is a hell of a lot more than I can do.

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Quote: "I also wanted to show everyone that "Mr Flowerkohl" is
not the only king of the zombies."


well.....your zombie model (face ) looks absolutely cool !
so whats the story of your game ? ^^
wouldnt it be nice to make an evil dead FPS ??? not this 3rd person crap.
besides... there comes an remake of it sam raimi is giving it away to a new director

Signed...

The King of Zombies ( has left the building )

PS: Thanks "COC Studios" ! I whish the same to you all.

yeah...thats the ticket !
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Do you know that "George A. Romero" has signed
the rights over for the making of computer and
Console games based on all Three (four) of his
classic zombie movies..

Master of Terror, Lord of the Unholy, Knight of Blighted Festering Pox Ridden Corpses.
(is still in the building somewhere, so watch your back. )


@Ominous
I actually changed his teeth thanks to your first remark.
(see old picture, if you can find the thread)
Altou he look better now so thanks.
BTW : He will look more like a zombie when he
gets his finished body.
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really ? i haven't known...
sounds good hmmm maybe we should ask him if we're allowed to create those games

yeah...thats the ticket !
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Hi Everyone,
I am new to this forum, but was directed to The Game Creators website by Jody over at OTS SOFTWARE (A super nice person).I have created some games before, but not with any of the Game Creators software.I am however, about to jump the fence and join you guy's in develping games with FPSC.I really believe that i will save alot of time in making playable games, without loosing much, if any quality in the games i make. I do have a website http://www.interginn.com ,that i will be slowly changing over to accomidate the games i create with the new software.I will be purchasing the (FPSC) software upon release. If any of you guy's have a very fast broadband connection, and a good 3D card, You can download one of the level's of a game that i started around HALLOWEEN this year. I never got it of the ground good because of time.So as an offering of friendship from the newbie of the forum (me I'd like to give you the download link so you gane have some fun with it. Here it is:-- http://www.halloween.abcrealty.org/ .It can be kinda hard to play at first, you have to use L/R Arrows as well as your mouse, but have at it my friends.I hope to meet some new friends in here with you guys, and be able to talk about the new FPSC. Well friends , that's my introduction. Visit me sometime at http://www.interginn.com . Spg34us@yahoo.com
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