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Major Payn
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OMG! How stupid is this? The game creators website is blocked at my high school! I have to go through the DB pro order page to actually enter the site. I don't believe my school would block a website that is in every way educational, man I hate school policy.

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No they block the word game...thegamecreators...just wait till you get home

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I don't have to I found a way, it just takes some quick searching on google, I often read the forums at school, however I am quite upset at this, I mean this is an educational tool, and they are blocking it, I think that they could do something about unlocking it, but I am afraid that by bringing it to their attention, they will cut off my only means of getting in.

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My old college used to block http://www.microsoft.com because it apparently contained inappropriate content! On the flip side it let people access rotten!

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beginsarcasm/ We can go into such informative and educational websites as googlefight and the love calculator, but we cannot go into the degenerate and filthy DB /endsarcasm

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We were often told to research things like sexual reproduction for things like Science and couldn't due to the nubish teachers, but now they've got clever people in so you can't research things like porn and stuff like that, but educational stuff is still available

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I wouldn't go so far as to say this is educational in every way, especially General Chat. But you can say whatever needs to be said to the school's IT department hehehe.


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Posted: 10th Feb 2005 17:20 Edited at: 10th Feb 2005 17:22
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it is easy to get past that alls you have to do is a frameset.

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hah.. at my school we can be on porn sites if we want... nice that webmessenger is invented

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Posted: 10th Feb 2005 17:59
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Since most blockers work at Proxy level, you simply have to change your proxy server.

I am of course, referring to accessing this site, not illegal or immoral content Besides, they can still trace your history, you're simply bypassing the blocking software.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2005 18:30 Edited at: 10th Feb 2005 18:30
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Quote: "they can still trace your history"


Hahaha ... that's too funny.
So scholls here delete the history automatically every night. And those who are meant to know the most about computers have sometimes problems to get a jpg smaller.
So you really think they could trace it back ?

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I'm sure most of the people here would have a much vaster knowledge of computers than the teachers at their school (that's if you still go ).

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Posted: 10th Feb 2005 20:30 Edited at: 10th Feb 2005 20:31
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Quote: "[EDIT] they use the dumb "WebSense" program which I am yet to find a way around."


School filters are usually quite pathetic.

At my school you can get round them by:

- Appending a question mark to the end of a dissallowed file type (eg: http://.../whatever.mp3?

- Replacing characters in the URL string with their url encoded equivilents (eg: %66orums instead of forums)

- Use a browser other than IE

- A rather neat hack PHP script I wrote which gets the content from an URL you specify, encrypts it and sends it along with a little JavaScript to decrypt it when it arrives at the browser. (Decrypt the string, document.write it and voila - problem sorted).

I wouldn't mind the filter, and I sympathise with their purpose (many parents would obviously want it), but it blocks things like the Google Cache, which is extremely useful when web-content is not available.


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I go the ICT line here in norway and we are all admins in my class
well we do have our own network that no other students have acces to and we cant acces theirs but there is noone in charge except us so we can do pretty much what we want except hacking and illegal downloading or ip scans and such.. there was one in my class that tried to hack something and he got caught, they took his computer and made him leave.. he got banned 3 days...

heh, well when i was in england and visited a college there, i couldnt even acces my own homepage because i got games there.. and that really suck, i understand why you all are pissed

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he is drunk?........lol, sorry I had to say that.

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My school blocks thegamecreators.com
No way to deactivate the filter - its Novell and pretty pricey. I have yet to try it in Netscape, which is on the school PCs.

They have decent locks on the machines, but I can get around it: if a program doesn't run, simply rename it to wmplayer.exe
Then it works hehe

I know that the school server is a <disgust> Dell </disgust> with dual xeons, 2 gigs of ram and a scsi hdd. pretty fast.

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My school blocked almost every single site known to man. It sux so much. You can't even get onto google, microsoft, or anything for that matter.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2005 01:26 Edited at: 11th Feb 2005 01:27
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Well our school comp-uters blocked everything on the start menu except the programs. And you can't get the right click menus up. AND you can't add or delete stuff!!!!! We have some sort of filter but theres an easy way around it, just get rid of the Http:// or put a ? at the end of the URL

edit: Before we got XP on all the PCs you could go into Internet options and simply change all the restriction and proxy settings to low!


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I never tried that. I know another easy way out. Do you guys have to sign in with "student" (username) and "student" (password) to get into the internet. Becasue I do and teachers have there own accounts like one I know is my old music teacher Raushcolb and her name/password is raush. So I have "unlimited user abilities". Which means I can get on any site.

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I am posting this message from my school. I tried to download firefox with great success, I installed it and everything, but it will not run, the program itself will come up, and it will appear to be working, but it will never connect. I thought that by using firefox I could get around a IE based block. As long as they do not block the DBP order page, I can enter the site, as that doesn't seem to be blocked.

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our schools block program blocks almost anything, luckily its crappy software, ctrl+alt+delete does the trick heheh

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I couldn't access the BBC web site once, purely because the url contained the word "s hit" (presumably site hit), encoded something like



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I've seen websense. It's a proxy filter, and you can't access anything beyond your school's LAN without passing through it. That trick RobK said about encoding with PHP and decoding with javascript should work with it, but it'll be slow if you don't have a good host for your PHP script.

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I found this after a while of googling:
Quote: "http://proxy2005.tk is a site that can bypass websense and display most pages. It cannot let you check mail. For that type of bypass you should read up on the tutorails at http://trilogy-group.tk"


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http://www.space.net.au/~thomas/quickbrowse.html used to work well when I was at school.

Also, my friend used to just make a .reg file and edit his user area to be an admin.
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At our school they only have blocked Dark Basic and Dark Basic Pro sites, not the game creators site. When they are blocked, it says blocked by games. I would have posted this early doing my school hours, but my teacher was getting extremely mad at the class and gave us a double assignment.


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One of the tech dudes at school mentioned something to me about starting a programming class/club, no one in my school other than me and one of my friends code at all, so I thought, hmmm how could you get a bunch of kids interested in coding? Well DB sprang into my head, I mean tell the kids they are going to make games, and they are all going to flock to the class hoping to make the next GTA or Halo.

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I wish that the Tech dude would start a C++/Java class, but I fear my less computer-savvy pupils will be turned off by the rampant use of semi colons, parenthesis, and brackets.

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My friend and I are the only two people in my year (100+ people) and probably my school (1100+ people) that program

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Well 70% of my year are chavs and wouldn't, the rest I, or my friend know personally so they dont. The two years above me don't because my other friend knows all the computer-interested people, and they don't code. Then the 4 years below me. The 70:30 ratio applies again, from the links I have to the lower years (sight and a couple friends) they don't program but play warhammer/trading card games etc...the chances of there being someone is slim, and then thats a ratio of 3:1100+...not much of a difference

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one thing i hate on our schools pcs is that we all have old pcs and everythign is disabled including ctrl-alt-del without doing a special by pass only teachers know and the start menu is disabled so that the only thing u can run is what is on your desktop

lucky for me i still manage to get access to the start menu and could shutdown the security program if i wanted
it is as simple as opening a folder on the desktop and changing the path to C:\windows\start menu\ and i have access to everything

i only do it for good reason though and that i so i can do soemhtgn ebsides play those boring as hell games
so now i can use ms paint

also i think they should update ms word it is still at some sort of 16 bit version and freezes when u hit the middle mouse button

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my school computers hae novel on then and a whole bunch of other things

ALT+TAB+DELETE is disabled
changing the PROXY is disabled
the COMMAND PROMPT is disabled
most of the apps that come with windows are disabled
but the strange part is, we can surf the web with no problem and check email and stuff like that, and even download anything we want, with no blockers enabled

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true, dont I would porbably get caught, becuase they have an real-time monotoring system for all of the computers, to see what you are doing, and everyone downloading things gets send to the top of the list.

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At my school, I download and run this little proggy: Hopster

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Hello, I am typing this from my school computers. Now the internet has some damn good protection, but the schools computer don't really restrict anything else, such as the command prompt, the control panel, or anything like that. So I was thinking, hmmm there must be a way to change something around so I can pretty much go where I want, anybody got any ideas?

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I must be THE only person in the whole school who knows how to program I have no-one to talk to. And All the IT teachers don'y know how to take a PC apart. Only the technicians do. How would I create a .reg file and edit my user so I was an admin?


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Quote: "I still say "Websense" is impossible...everything and i mean EVERYTHING has been tried to fool this one"


Nothing is impossible. I guarantee that my JavaScript / PHP trick would work, simply because there is no way for your local server to know what the data passing through it means.

The downside of course is that in order for some sites to work properly is that the script would have to rewrite all of the links, image tags and CSS scripts correctly. For pages where the link text is assembled using JavaScript this would be very difficult. Hence sites such as GMail don't work with it.


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rofl: i was looking at my email today (gmail) and i click inbox, didn't work...so I clicked the refresh button. Turns out my ICT teacher had blocked it, fair dos I can wait till I get home but the funny thing is he had blocked http://gmail.google.com/gmail?auth=TEHAUTHCODEWHICHISLONGSOIREMOVEDIT

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Rob K is right, nothing is impossible on computers. If all else fails, you can always purchase a little device from thinkgeek.com that you plug in to the keyboard input which records every keystroke that the user makes on that machine, but I would not reccommend it. Remeber you can probably make a file explorer in DB that would not be harmed by the filters.

In our second comp room we have a buch of emacs and our admin has a sneaky little program that lets him view your screen and take it over if need be. Luckily he hasn't got that prog for the windows comps in the other room.

Needless to say the teacher and I are the only people in the school that know anything serious about comps. *cough* *cough*

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In our second comp room we have a buch of emacs and our admin has a sneaky little program that lets him view your screen and take it over if need be. Luckily he hasn't got that prog for the windows comps in the other room."


I use to have a teacher in middle school, he was a computer lab teacher, and through his one computer he could shut down all the computers in seconds, or take them over in seconds.


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Quote: "How would I create a .reg file and edit my user so I was an admin?"


Uh, the values themselves? That I don't know, it'll be specific to the software used, version of software etc.

However, the reg file itself is easy, its just a plain text file.

Regedit header, blank line, key location, values held within key..it'll look something like:

Then save the file so it has the .reg extention, and run it.
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i feel sorry for y'all. our intro. bca (practically keyboarding) teacher is an inconsistant hick and knows close to absolutely nothing about computers. since no one has technical experience, we use the honor system, and the school board hires a company called 8e6 technologies to block ips, domains, and urls; this is avoided by going to [href]proxy.snipermedia.net[/href]. and everything that shouldnt be installed is uninstalled nightly, though i am about to change that . we just install halo in our personal folder, they have no idea and can't check to my knowledge.
we can run the command prompt, install whatever we want, download, change settings, etc. easily and no one has caught on yet.

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Yes...yet. Just don't let any of your technilogically impared mates catch on to what you're doing. A couple of loopholes got found out at my school from stupid people trying stuff they shouldn't.

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Quote: "If all else fails, you can always purchase a little device from thinkgeek.com that you plug in to the keyboard input which records every keystroke that the user makes on that machine, but I would not reccommend it."


I wouldn't if I were you. Those are illegal to install on teachers' computers--- a kid in the states just got busted and handed a heavy sentence for doing just that.


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I never have to deal with school computers blocking stuff.

I am homeschooled (means I do school at home) and so my home computer is, between 9:00 AM and 2:00 PM, the school computer

Which since my parents only know how to turn the computer and internet on and off, I am the administrator of my moms computer (she made my account as limited but then changed me to administrator)

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Quote: "I wouldn't if I were you. Those are illegal to install on teachers' computers--- a kid in the states just got busted and handed a heavy sentence for doing just that."


That's why I said I DONT reccommend it, surely people here aren't that desperate. Why you need to worry about school computers has got me baffled, why don't you just wait 'till you get home?

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probably, at least for most people, it's because they are told that they can't. the default nature of teenagers is to do what people tell them not to.

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Which is why it must be done

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