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I am right now creating a game creator in DarkBasic Professional, and I was wondering, how do you create an exe from your program. If anyone could help, that would be great!!!

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Since you're asking this question I'm going to assume (possibly incorrectly) that you're fairly new to programming. To make an exe you need to have a compiler (this is what DBPro is). This translates your source code from ASCII into machine code. So 'GOTO 10' translates into ,say, '11100000000000000001010' (a number in memory corresponding to a command and data) which the CPU can execute. Writing one of these is hard especially for someone who's more of a beginner. What I'd recommend instead is to try to make a small interpreter instead and then make a encoder/decoder for the source so it can be hidden from other people.
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If he's new to programming, it may not be anything that complex that he's wanting to know... but rather just how to compile the game so that other people can play it?

If that's the case and you're using DBpro, the compiled game is created when you run the game (F5 I think?) the exe will be created in whatever folder the source code was in, and happyness follows.


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If you did mean 'write a program in DarkBasic Pro which can compile other progams' then the simple answer is 'no'.
An alternative method which is much easier is to create a separate DarkBasic program which is just a 'runtime only' version of your game engine. It would work like this:
1) Use your own game creator to make a game. Save this game in whatever method you choose (it could be your own scripting language, or a series of maps or whatever)
2) If you want others to play the game but don't want to give away your game creator, just supply the 'runtime only' version of your game engine along with your saved game.
3) When they run the 'runtime only' version of the game it will load the saved game and let them play.

This way they can only play the game and not edit it. The 'runtime only' version should be much smaller too as it will not have to contain all the editor stuff. Just an idea.
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First, I am not a beginner. I do not want to know how to compile my games. All that I want to know is how to make an application that will make an executable file for a person!

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Well in that case refer to GothOtakus post


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Quote: "All that I want to know is how to make an application that will make an executable file for a person!"


You make it sound like it's a simple thing to do. It's not. Google compiler tutorials or some such to see how much more complicated it is than you believe.


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What is the URL to these tutorials?

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it starts with www.google.com

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If the user owns dbp then you can use that as the compiler

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Mgamer12:
You do not need to make a compiler to do what you're trying to. First, make a base executable. This is the actual game, and will use a configuration file or a script to change its looks/behaviour. Your game creator will change stuff in the script file, and will package that in the EXE. Not very hard, but its a decent amount of work.
If you don't want to make a base EXE, you have two options:
1) Actually make a compiler (which I don't recomend for you)
2) Use a ready scripting engine like WarBasic (all you have to do is export a test.uai file, and send it with the EXE) </ad>

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Ahh, Interpreter-compiling, i.e., cheating.

No, it works well enough, but you lose a bit of performance and if you call it a compiler I'll say you're cheating. P|

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WarBasic isn't really interpreting. It uses dynamic compilation. Something like a JITer. Really think it is feasable for him to write his own compiler, Mr Blanky?

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here's the compiler code right here!



i wouldnt recomend writing a compiler in DarkBASIC, Most compilers arnt written in languages, but made in assembler language (kind of like machine code, but with english words and stuff)

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Dude thats sick, do you know what that says?

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add EAX, 42...

Actually, does anyone know of the x86 instruction binary specification?

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yep thats sick, You sicken me...

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it says


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One must wonder what these 'produced' executables would do.


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1) Echo out ASM to a file

2) Run thatASM through an assembler

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And where do I compile this code?

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in your butt


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Thanks a lot Jimmy! I just wanted to know how to compile that machine code or assembly code, which ever someone REALY knows how to do. Keep your wise mouth shut next time.

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Don't be like that.


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Homey don't play dat


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Run ASM through an assembler and you get compiled code out the end.

Gods knows how assemblers work

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Run ASM through your butt and you get... erm.... god knows what out the other end...

God knows how your butt works, right?

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Well in theory, yes... but who knows. Maybe you should try eating it instead, that way you're not running in reverse.

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this code is the best there is, are you acusing me of faking machine code!?

and the code will produce tons of pr0n

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Where can I find the best deal on an assembler?

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Free. Get NASM.

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And where do I get NASM

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Use Google!

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Okay.

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you know, you could also program in c i guess, it does have low level qualities with high level coding..

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Your best bet would indeed be to write an interpreter, because if you're going to write a compiler, you're going to want to learn ASM and x86 opcodes, which isn't all that much fun

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Or he could take the easy way out and use a scripting system, like Python. Writing a VM/compiler just for this is silly. I've made my own and I know that the amount of work that will have to go into this is really not worth the trouble.
Mgamer, use a scripting system someone else made. Writing a compiler is way more than what you need.

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someone mention a scripting engine? i saw a really good one being developed, check it out:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=41577&b=8


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Quote: "i saw a really good one being developed"

tsk tsk, shameless aren't you? You forgot to close the </ad> tags.

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A scripting system will not creat a compiler though. Is their any pre-made compilers out their that are open source?

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You don't need a compiler. That's overkill. Do you think RPG Maker has a compiler in it? Or FPSC? If what you want to make is something along those lines, then a scripting system is all you need.
Still, if you want to go through all that code, I guess you can look at Nasm and GCC. Both of are opensource, both WILL give you a headache.

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DTKF15H,

Dose FPSC create executable files, or does it just run off a runtime?

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most likely interperated.

@TK: sorry

@Mgamer12: seriously though my <ad> scripting engine is actually getting quite good, it has variable support and expression parsing to come. it is also open source for now and for the forseeable future. Check it out </ad>

@TK:That better?


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Much better. <ad> But it's no where near as good as the DBP plugin I'm making using WarBasic code. It allready has support for variables, arrays, expressions, IF-THEN-ELSE-ENDIF, DO-LOOP, Functions, and can execute DBP-like commands (MoveObject, AddLimb, Print, etc.) thanks to IanM's interface. </ad>

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<ad> mines 100% native DBP code! </ad>

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To the original poster:

Please understand that the reason people are giving you a hard time is because it's horribly clear that you don't know where to start when it comes to writing a compiler. Now, that's not to say you should not learn - be my guest. However, if you're not prepared to carry out the tiniest bit of research (i.e. use google to find out how to write a compiler) then people are not going to spoon feed you. If you'd have posted a question like "I'm having trouble with my symbol table" then people would've been interested and would have contributed. However, "how do I write a compiler" gets the same level of courteous attention that your planning did.

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Quote: " <ad> mines 100% native DBP code! </ad>"

I fail to see how that's a good thing. A scripting engine in DBP will force you to recompile the entire engine plus whatever game code you use every time you press F5. Besides, <ad> WarBasic is 100% C++, faster, and fits in nicely in the plugins-user folder. </ad>

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<ad>poop basic is a shell, and will be done in 20000000000000000000000003453398455555557</ad>

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adr,

I am not getting a hard time. I just wanted to know and they are giving advice.

POWERSOFT,

I checked out your scripting engine. It is pretty good. I do not have the latest version though. I will have to check it out.

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