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Man killed a judge and 2 other people, at a courthouse, escapes and carjacks a car. This leads to a manhunt where they are looking for the car he stole from a reporter (they have license number and accurate discription). 13 hours later someone else finds the car in the same garage he carjacked it in (on a different level). You mean to tell me they didn't even search that building

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Well it's the exact opposite of what 99.9% of the world would do in that situation.

Obviously this person is both physically fit and intelligent-- add psycopath and that's a bad combination

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Quote: "intelligent"

Or just is the opposite mentally of the Georgia Law Enforcement: knows they wont look in the building

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Posted: 13th Mar 2005 01:43
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Well they finally caught him.

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Did he get bored and hand himself in?

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I wouldn't rule that out. They said there was no gunfire even though he had a hostage and apparently already killed at least 4 people. He just let the hostage go and turned himself in when they caught up with him.

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Hi everyone,

I live in Atlanta so I can give you a little bit of what I know.

To start with, he pulled the pistol from the guard who was overseeing him while he changed from his civilian clothes back into the orange jumpsuit. He shot the guard immediately, went and shot the judge and the clerk. Then, he went downstairs, (cameras were rolling but no one was watching the monitors... go figure) and escaped through to the parking garage. Meanwhile another officer chased him on foot and he got shot and killed in the process and the purpetrator fled.

Georgia's finest... Yes, they are about as reliable as a mall security guard. What boggles my mind is that not only was no one watching the security system but that he even made it as far as he did, despite the road closings.

What finally happened was he took a woman hostage and she escaped. Then she called 911 and gave his location. A civilian was the heroine. I feel so much more secure knowing that when the police fail, that there are civilians like her who keep us safe.

Oh, he shot a federal marshall I think too in his home. I forget if the rank is correct but he was some kind of important law officer.

That's about all I know at this point.

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Erm... we aren't talking about the ex Soviet state are we

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I really don't see the logic here-- the people who are wounded and die in the line of fire are supposedly less admirable than those who do not? That's really rather insulting, never mind disrespectful. We owe a lot to these people.

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Are you going to defend everything america does?

j/k no offence, but it did seem that way. Peace

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But of course, don't forget how fanatical the americans are.

Just kidding mouse

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Posted: 20th Mar 2005 07:19 Edited at: 20th Mar 2005 07:20
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Quote: " Are you going to defend everything america does?

j/k no offence, but it did seem that way. Peace "


It has nothing to do with America, it has to do with people who risk and sacrifice their lives to protect others all over the world.

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Sorry Mouse, it was just some of your replies had quite a funny tone

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Don't worry mouse, we are 100% with your opinion. David just sometimes gets a bit tense.




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Quote: " Sorry Mouse, it was just some of your replies had quite a funny tone"


No need to be sorry. I'm really not nearly as uptight as some people seem to think

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Yeah, I'm the uptight one. Isn't that right? Well so would you be, if you were living with your mother and 2 sisters, no male lifeforms in sight, apart from 1.5 cats. It turns you crazy.


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Quote: "1.5 cats"

I'm sorry, but how exactly do you wind up with 1.5 cats?

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Quote: "I'm sorry, but how exactly do you wind up with 1.5 cats?"

Why do I suspenct that we don't want to know....
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People who do things like that (kill people like that) make me very mad. I hate how leneant our law enforcement is. Even when someone does get a death row sentence it takes 10+ years for them to actually be killed. I say slowly kill him. Shoot him in the legs, then the arms, etc. I know this sounds mean, but he deserves it. Think about the families of those people that were killed, knowing that their loved one ran after a crazy maniac killer with a gun, trying to stop him, only to be shot and killed. People who have no sympathy/mercy should recieve none. To much lets negotiate, and try to show them that their wrong crap in US law enforcement. Sry if that offended anyone, no offense intended.

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Quote: "I'm sorry, but how exactly do you wind up with 1.5 cats?"

I was hungry

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Quote: "People who do things like that (kill people like that) make me very mad"
Then you say
Quote: "Even when someone does get a death row sentence it takes 10+ years for them to actually be killed. I say slowly kill him. Shoot him in the legs, then the arms, etc."
mabey its just me being english but that is just silly. you said to think of the family but you wouldnt be thinking of there family when you are tourchering someone. Killing someone isnt going to stop other people doing the same thing.

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I must admit, I believe in the death sentence, even though we haven't hAD it over here for many years. I dont think torture is in order though. I think the idea of the death sentence is not a punishment - it's a method of removing people from society that are beyond rehabilitation and are likely to do it again.

Recently in the UK, three 17 year olds were convicted for planning and carrying out the butchering of another 17 year old with 5 foot scythes. They each got life, not to serve less than 12 years. They'll likely be out and about on the streets are 30, and these people are capable of hacking a teenager to death with grim reaper scythes. Now, that's f**ked up if you ask me. Those people should be removed from society from good - not tortured, just removed, and seeing as Australia is now more than just a prison colony, we need execution.

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Nothing to do with being English mate. Ok, so I'm Welsh (anyone see the rugby? Yuk yuk..), but I live in England, and plenty of people don't have your opinion.

I'm not having a go. But personally if someone, say, killed my family in front of me, and then got let out in, say, 10 years time. I would happily cut him into bits. Just saying.

Much like people going on TV and saying how they forgive the person who, for example, raped and murdered their 5 year old girl. Ok.... Forgive them after they are history I say.

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Quote: "I'm sorry, but how exactly do you wind up with 1.5 cats?"

1.5 male cats. We found out one didn't have a.. you know, a thing. And yes it is a male, because it has testicles. Er, had, until we had it castrated. Poor thing doesn't have anything now

Quote: "Recently in the UK, three 17 year olds were convicted for planning and carrying out the butchering of another 17 year old with 5 foot scythes."

I heard about that too. It really worries me how messed up some people must be to actually do these sort of things. Killing someone is bad enough, but the way they did it is just horrific. Its the sort of thing you would have nightmares about. Hang them I say.


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Quote: "you said to think of the family but you wouldnt be thinking of there family when you are tourchering someone. Killing someone isnt going to stop other people doing the same thing."


Yeah i gues ur right didnt think about that . Well even though he deserves it, not his family, they should still kill him within days not years, just take him out and lethally inject him.

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Quote: "But personally if someone, say, killed my family in front of me, and then got let out in, say, 10 years time. I would happily cut him into bits. Just saying."


Indeed i would proberly wish that person to die. But that is an extream case as well as the 17 year olds.

In the event your mother was being beaten by your father or vice versa then your mother killed your father, would it then not be stupid to kill her for defending herself.

it is unlikely that someone would be killed for it if there was a death sentence but if there was no evidence to support that she was beaten or especially if the woman was beating the man then they would proberly be killed.

the women who where found guilty of killing there children then after a few months found innocent because of whatever reason. or even the thing every one in england knows about Guy Fawkes he was killed for a crime that he might not of commited.

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I completely agree with Fallout. The whole "death sentance is murder" argument is completely illogical. Cold blooded murderers who are mentally unstable and/or capable and willing of manslaughter must be taken care of properly. Call me extreme but as far as I'm concerned, whatever makes you human, those people don't have it.

That said I think a crime must actually be commited before someone is given the death sentance-- conspiracy to murder should not be enough. It just seems wrong to me. Even though that means that two equally evil people could get different sentances simply depending on when they were caught, which is pretty messed up.

Hard to sort it out isn't it

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The problem with the death penalty, is that in the past people have been wrongly accused of crimes they haven't commited and have been executed for it, because mistakes do happen, and when you're dealing with something as serious as a death sentence you can't afford to make any mistakes.

@mouse:
I agree with you that the people that commit these sort of crimes aren't human.


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We should all look to the Middle East. They truely enforce an eye for an eye. If someone steals they cut off their hand. The punishment should fit the crime. A life for a life. There are places in the middle east where you can lay your wallet down for weeks then come back and get it. Because nobody wants to loose their hand. On the same note the reason why killing someone, who kills someone, doesn't make someone else not want to kill someone is because we do kill them so "humanely". If they kill someone and get caught, it's no big deal they just get "put to sleep" forever with little to no pain. What kind of reasoning is that for trying to get someone not to kill anyone? They should be killed in the fashion they killed someone else in. And I am not for the death sentance in most cases because it cannot be proven without a reasonable doubt. But if there are witnesses to the crime, the punishment should fit the crime. If you kill 10 people in Wal-Mart in front of everyone there should not even be a trial. The cops should just shoot you on sight.

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I agree with Fallout: hang em

However, there is the chance of them being innocent...where something like waiting for a year (not much more) could be advantageous

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Quote: "The problem with the death penalty, is that in the past people have been wrongly accused of crimes they haven't commited and have been executed for it, because mistakes do happen, and when you're dealing with something as serious as a death sentence you can't afford to make any mistakes."

Your right, but I only believe in the death penalty if the person is very obviously the killer. Take the courthouse shooting for example, lots of people saw him, he was on camera, he held up a hostage, shot at policeman, killed federal officers, its completely obvious he did it. He should be killed. But if someone is killed in their house in the middle of the night with no witnesses or complete proof, just keep the convicted killer in jail for the rest of his life, unless hes proven innocent by DNA or something like that. Then release him, give him $1 million for every year he was wrongly kept in jail, it doesnt make up for the years he lost, but its a start, and he can do whatever he wants with it, buy and awesome house, cars, all the conveniences of life, and make life good again.

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a million $?!?!?

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why, is that too much or too little? I mean they spent years in prison, doing hard work, being bored, wasting there life, the least you could do is give them money, so they can get started again, and give them extra conveniences. Its not something that happens everyday, so its not like wed be spending tons of money every year on it, it barely ever happens.

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I agree Gil. They should cap it at like 10 mill though. As it is now you get nothing but a release if found innocent. Unless you write a book and sell it or something.

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But then people would pretend they did something, go to prison, and get rich


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Although that's a good idea, I doubt the rigors of prison are worth it

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@neofish: i agree. And how would you act like you did it, then prove yourself wrong? And what would you do? Fake murder someone?

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Don't ask me HOW, I'm not the evil genius thats gonna try and do it.


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You could also murder them later

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hehe

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And the end of the day the reason they are on death row for like a decade is to make sure there hasn't been a mistake. I watched a program once where a bloke was so upset about what he had done that he denied all appeals. Still took 4 years for them to kill him though.

When I basically said they should be killed for what they had done, I meant for extreme cases. Esp when it is totally obvious they did it. I mean the other day in the UK there was this case of this bloke who killed his friend and ate his brains or somesuch in some Hannibal kinda way (fried them in butter I think). Judge put him away for like ever (they basically said something like 80 years with no hope of parole). *But* he was inside about a decade ago or so. That was for killing someone too at the time, but they let him out after a while. Tops.

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