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bitJericho
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2005 16:15
Well, I've finally committed myself to quit smoking..

I tried the cold turkey, but I hate that *i need a smoke* feeling, so I called up my mother and told her I needed a cigarrette.. she gave me a pack (I didn't tell her I was trying to quit, just asked her for a smoke)

So she smokes Virginia Slims 120's (and if anyone makes the comment about them being hooker cigarrettes.. I'll break your legs)

Anyway, my point.. They're so nasty, and uber-light, like smoking air... I see myself weening off smokes with these things quite easily^_^ I'll report my results in a week or so, when this pack has run out and I've had a few days of being smoke free..

And please don't offer your encouragement, I'm quitting because it's expensive, and I don't want to smoke around my son..


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Posted: 23rd Mar 2005 16:27 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2005 16:27
I gave up on my 30th birthday. Main reason is because I always said I would. Other reason was those newish anti-ciggie ads we get in the UK were starting to effect me.

All I did was buy some of those things that look like ciggies, but are plastic sticks with nicotine in them. Main thought was I couldn't be bothered with patches, but needed something like a ciggie. They taste like hell. Had one then chucked like £30 (about $60) worth away.

Never tried any other methods, but haven't smoked in 2 years now. Annoyingly I love the smell of smoke and am attracted like a magnet when I walk past a smoker. Although I now don't dream of smoking anymore. One time I dreamt I was smoking like a car sized ciggie. Aaaahhhh....

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2005 16:35 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2005 16:36
Quote: "I gave up on my 30th birthday"


Haha, my uncle quit at 30.. he realized he was halfway through his life.. and decided he should just quit^_^

I don't believe the garbage they tell me on the tv about smoking, but I just don't want to waste 60usd / month on a habit that makes me smell like crap

When I quit before I had many dreams about smoking^_^ I started up again because of my ex (non-ex at the time) who wasn't as bullheaded as I

Heh... that's an oxymoron I suppose... But eh.. when you're living with someone you're close to who smokes.. it's hard to quit


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Posted: 23rd Mar 2005 21:12
I'm never letting myself start. I prefer to die naturally. (its a gruesome statement, but horribly true)

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2005 21:27
breath thru a straw when u get a craving.

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Quote: "I prefer to die naturally."

Thats the opposite to what my dad said. He saids he doesn't want to die an old man.


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Posted: 23rd Mar 2005 21:53
I found a good heart attack or so makes the willpower work a good bit better, gave up a couple of years ago now.

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gah! I could KILL for a fag right now , why you have to mention it ??????

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2005 23:00
Quote: "I found a good heart attack or so makes the willpower work a good bit better"


Sadly it's true, a good family friend of ours died after having a heart attack. He was a chain smoker.

My grandfather also smoked a pipe when he was young, died of a heart attack.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 01:46 Edited at: 24th Mar 2005 01:48
Quote: "he realized he was halfway through his life"
Bloody hope not at 30.....

Quote: "I don't believe the garbage they tell me on the tv about smoking"
Neither did I until I got to about 30. Started to feel a little worn down compared to when I was younger. Slight loss of edge sort of speak. Plus visiting the relatives, and half of them have oxygen tank holders *built* into the lounge wall, and are on the stuff like for half the day to keep going, really brings it home. One example I have is a 70 year old auntie is completely f**ked and never gets out of her chair. Oxygen tank built into the wall that she uses like most of the day. And she *still* smokes. Her sister has looked after her for like the last 50 years or so (they always lived together... weirdly) and is like 90 years old. Fit as a fiddle. Still doing the cleaning, no problems with brain etc. Never smoked in her life.

Don't get me wrong, you can have examples where people live to donkeys years and smoke every day (my great grandmother lived to 95 and died of old age), and others who smoke every day, just the same, but die comparitively young (her son at 63 died of cancer). Just seems to me a higher rate of people are f**ked at a younger age if they smoke. Not so much the dieing bit, it's the complete shell of former self thats a bit of a kicker.

Saying all that, I'm suddenly gagging for a fag. Rats.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 03:57
I have the problem that I dont actually really want to quit smoking. I enjoy it too much. I can't think of a decent alternative. If I eat a bar of chocy, I just want a smoke after. If I get it on with the mrs, I want a smoke after. Have a pint, want a smoke. Then there's work .. need to get away from the monitor ... what can I do .. go for a smoke.

Physical addiction for me is so minimal. The difficulty is with the habbit. Kickin that bastard is tough.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 04:05
According to Johns Hopkins:

91% of the people who die of lung cancer and esophagal cancer are non-smokers

You're more likely to get cancer by inhaling car exaust while walking down the street than by smoking a carton (carton, not pack) of cigarettes. (I think this rule only applies to people who live in cities or otherwise spend a lot of time around cars)

There is approximately 1/8th of an eyedrop of nicotine in every carton of cigarettes. Out of each pack of cigarettes, approx. 2-8 cigarettes are saturated in nicotine. IE, not every cigarette has nicotine in it. (But when I investigated this further I found out that Marlboro cigarettes and USA Gold cigarettes have a much denser concentration... 6-14! Luckily though, I smoke parliaments )

There is no proven link between second hand smoke and cancer, and the only link that proves second hand smoke can be harmful to ANYONE is when smoking around infants and toddlers.

Caffeine is more addictive than nicotine

^ I'm a smoker in New York. Here (and I know they've done this in other states, too) you can't smoke in any public establishments, like bars, restaurants, etc. Since then, a slew of non-smokers have been assaulting me verbally whenever I walk down the street. To those of you who are smokers and are sick and tired of hearing people bother you about smoking, these facts can be rather helpful! commit them to memory and say them the next time someone decides to harass you! I'm not saying smoking is good for you... it's not. But it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. As I said on my website: People don't want to ban smoking in public places because of second hand smoke, they do it because they don't want to smell it. Well in that case, let's ban cake, because I don't like looking at fat people

Good luck Jerico! You're a lot stronger-willed than I am if you've made it even this far, hehe.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 04:09
Quote: "I have the problem that I dont actually really want to quit smoking. I enjoy it too much. I can't think of a decent alternative. If I eat a bar of chocy, I just want a smoke after. If I get it on with the mrs, I want a smoke after. Have a pint, want a smoke. Then there's work .. need to get away from the monitor ... what can I do .. go for a smoke. "


That, my friend, is the powerful addictive power of nicotine.

Fact: if you get one sugar lump sized chunk of nicotine, dissolve it in a pint of water and take a sip, you'll be dead within 30 seconds.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 04:49
Another fact to support what Dave said, if you took a drop of nicotine on your tongue you'd be dead even faster.

But I'm pretty sure ciggy companies solute nicotine... if they didn't, and you smoked one of the cigarettes in a pack that has any concentration of nicotine, it would kill you somewhat quickly (I mean, within a week or two). Nicotine in its pure form is more deadly to humans than arsenic and cyanide combined. If they solute it, great... More chemicals for our bodies! My question is, what do they use to solute it?

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PS. - All of this talk about smoking is making me need a cigarette (Sorry Jerico, hehe)

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 05:11 Edited at: 24th Mar 2005 05:14
Yep, totally agree with you. But when you can *feel* it catching up with you as you get older you start to stress out a little. Best time I ever had was working in Dubai. Everyone smoked, an office smoking was fine. Combine a seriously big deadline with an average 15 hour working days (did 156 hours *overtime* one month, and 95 hours of working in a single week) and then bung in office smoking, and the fact that 200 fags cost about £2.50 (around $5, when in the UK at the time 20 fags cost about $6), and you end up with serious fag use. Estimate about 60+ a day. The ashtrays were hell.

If I hadn't come back after 3 months then I'd be ordering the Oxygen myself I reckon. Lost my point somewhere there... oh yeah, none of that effected me. But then I was 23. Years later I got upto about 40 a day again and at times you could get out of breath for no reason. Given up for 2 years now and I'm fine. Apparently takes 2 months for each year you smoked to get something like 90% of your lung capacity back. Tops.

Oh, and people who treat smokers like scum should be ashamed in this day and age. It's approaching racism in the venom some people give out. Stub a ciggie out on the back of a mouse wearing lipstick and I swear some people would blow up or something. Considering how forgiving we are all supposed to be to all types of behavour these days. You can just imagine in the not too far future : "Well, we were just about to publically forgive the IRA bomber who killed our little girl (which has happened BTW), when we found out he smoked.... Now we are campaining to bring back the death penalty for the f**ker....". lol.

Heh, we had an email in work the other day saying a woman had complained to reception that the smokers all grouped together outside (in the cold - no other place) and caused great clouds of smoke. In the allocated smoking area of course. Because she had to walk past this every day (even though there is at least 2 other enterances where no-one is allowed to smoke) then she wanted the smokers to all stand further away (ie. in the mud). She also said it made her hair smell. The company backed her up until everyone backlashed and smoked their ars*s off where she didn't want them to. Hell, I even contemplated taking up smoking again just to piss her off. I may not smoke anymore, but there is not much else that gets me so annoyed. So much for freedom and all that.

Oh, and did anyone see that South Park episode where they all went to "Racial awareness" school or somesuch? The teacher was giving a big speech how we had to accept every race and not judge them by what they do. Cut to a bloke having a smoke by the side, no-where near any one. They then beat the hell out of him. Funny.

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I get the utah quitnet... pfft.

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I love my friend's quote "I'll smoke until my dying day" hehe

Quote: "Oh, and people who treat smokers like scum should be ashamed in this day and age. It's approaching racism in the venom some people give out."


I couldn't agree with you more. Here in New York they started this "no smoking in bars" law because, get this: Bartenders were complaining about having to work in a smoke-filled environments. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that like a proctologist saying "working in my office is unfair because I shouldn't have to smell rear ends all day" ?

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I still disagree about the physical adiction to nicotine. It's very slight. It's much much more habbitual. My simple proof of that is, when I go to stay with my parents, who don't "officially" know that I smoke, I don't smoke for up to two weeks. At no point do I get a single craving for a cigarette. Why? Because there is no opportunity to smoke. The only time I feel like I want a cigarette is when I go out and leave the house, and get into an environment where I know I can smoke.

The physical addiction, for me at least, is negligable. It's almost exlusively habbitual. If it was physical, I would get cravings during a day when I'm busy doing things. I don't. If my mind is occupied, or I know the chance to smoke won't present itself, I don't even think about it.

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I quit smoking just over a year ago, I used the commit lozenge, Im addicted to them now.

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Matt - That site is pretty cool... imagine seeing that upclose (and then being followed by burning to death ).

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 09:22 Edited at: 24th Mar 2005 09:25
Quote: "91% of the people who die of lung cancer and esophagal cancer are non-smokers"


Most notably is the absence of the fact that only 20% of people are smokers in the first place, giving a much higher weighting to the non-smoker side. However, I wouldn't trust that statistic anyway, results like that are easily skewed and untrustworthy, there are too many factors to take into account. Plus, there's a good possibility that smokers die from one of the other hundreds of diseases caused by smoking before they even get the chance to die from lung cancer.


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Wrong thread Eric, but ty As gorgeous as it is, I don't know if I could handle watching it happen just yet, hehe

Good point Exeat, but the only reason I even consider using it is because it's from Johns Hopkins (that's a hardcore hospital/ medical university in Baltimore Maryland... the best hospital in the US, or so they say), and I have a tendency to trust them (and I quote them a bunch too, hehe). I guess it depends what side of the fence you're on... I've found studies that claimed cigarette smoking doesn't cause cancer, and other studies that do. No matter what study you ready, it's going to be biased (on this subject anyway). I tend to look for the ones that are biased in favour of what I think

This is IMO so don't tear me a new one please, but I think Cancer is the universal answer to every whodunnit. If someone doesn't like something or fully understand it, they pin cancer on it. For instance, meat. Red cow meat. There was a study conducted about a year ago by one of our ivy league schools that claimed eating red meat might cause cancer. Upon further investigation, know what I found out? The girl who wrote it... she was veagan (that's a vegitarian for the less initiated). Find me a smoker who wrote a legitimate report that claims cigarettes cause cancer, or likewise, a non smoker who claims they don't. At the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that we don't really know what causes cancer... it's too complex to just plop into a computer and see a result. We have really good ideas, but that's all they are, ideas. But until science and medicine take that leap from educated guessing to hardcore fact, I'll keep smoking Or until I have kids, whichever comes first.

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Even if it doesn't cause cancer, it screws with your lungs... That's why I'll NEVER smoke, and why I hate being around people who smoke. I go running just about every day, and I need my lungs to be functioning at optimal efficiency. Our lungs just aren't built to have so much s**t covering them.

And I know this from first hand-experience. I have a brother who's smoked for about 15 years. He gets out of breath so easily, it's pretty sad.

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Quote: "There was a study conducted about a year ago by one of our ivy league schools that claimed eating red meat might cause cancer"

Its funny you should say that, because we have noticed that a lot of people in France die from cancer, and coincidently the French eat a lot of red meat..


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Quote: "Its funny you should say that, because we have noticed that a lot of people in France die from cancer, and coincidently the French eat a lot of red meat.."


thats my favourite kind of logic - stupid. For example:

Everyone who dies of cancer breathes. Therefore, breathing causes cancer


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Stupid? What?


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That's what the world is coming to... I think I should write a paper that claims bras and shirts cause breast cancer

Izzy, you're absolutely right, it does screw with your lungs. But so does car exhaust and almost everything else that's smokey and smells bad. The only difference is, you're inhaling the smoke directly when you smoke cigarettes, making them more hazardous. When you talked about jogging it reminded me of a funny thing that Dennis Leary said:

Quote: "Does anybody remember Jim Fix? Big famous jogger who talked about jogging and how smoking can kill ya? He did a jogging book and a jogging video and died of a massive heart attack WHEN?!? When he was f***ing JOGGING that's when!"


I don't mean that as a knock against you or anything, I just like the quote and what you said reminded me of it

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Quote: "I think I should write a paper that claims bras and shirts cause breast cancer"


Well apparently really tight jeans can reduce the ability to produce fertile sperm so you may just be onto something there.


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.. and what about chaffing jock-straps? Are they ok?

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Quote: "I think I should write a paper that claims bras and shirts cause breast cancer"

wel; they do!

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Quote: "thats my favourite kind of logic - stupid"

Why is it stupid? Because you have never bothered to look into that idea?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/30/meat.cancer/
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_1_1x_Eating_Lots_of_Red_Meat_Linked_to_Colon_Cancer.asp
http://www.irishhealth.com/?level=4&id=6804


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Quote: "girl who wrote it... she was veagan (that's a vegitarian for the less initiated)."


Not just any vegetarian.. A vegan is an uber vegetarian.. Doesn't eat eggs, or milk, or anything that comes from something other than plants.


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Quote: "Why is it stupid? Because you have never bothered to look into that idea?"


no, i was actually refering to this:

Quote: "a lot of people in France die from cancer, and coincidently the French eat a lot of red meat"


Its just like saying "Everyone who dies of cancer breathes. Therefore, breathing causes cancer". The logic doesn't make sense


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Cancer is inevitable. Just hope something else kills you before you get it

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A lot of Americans are fat. A lot of Americans watch action movies. Hence action movies make people fat? Think, people, think

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thats exactly my point


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I'm sorry, I must have mistaken you for intelligent life.

Quote: "Its just like saying "Everyone who dies of cancer breathes. Therefore, breathing causes cancer""

Don't be a smartass, you know exactly what I mean. I didn't say everyone who dies of colon cancer eats meat, did I?


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For those who actually think smoking doesn't cause cancer should really check their brains for warranty. Ask anyone who knows a chain smoker who got lung cancer--- you know it's from the cigarettes just by instinct. That's just ignorance IMHO--- people have linked smoking to cancer since the 60s. And have you ever seen a lung from a smoker? Try and tell me that's healthy.

On a side note, one of my ex girlfriends was a 7th day adventist, and their entire family was vegeterian, and they all don't drink coffee. She showed me documentation linking coffee to all sorts of bad symptoms. By the end of our relationship she was eating chicken and swigging down coffee like the best of us--- go figure


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I think the best evidence is the fact that Tobacco companies must place advertisements on cigarette packets that say things like: "Warning: Smoking is harmful and may cause lung cancer", if it wasn't true then there's no way that law would have been passed and those companies would be suing the pants off the government. However, quite the opposite is happening, they're actually being forced to place larger warnings and pictures of the diseased lungs on the packets.


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Quote: "Fact: if you get one sugar lump sized chunk of nicotine, dissolve it in a pint of water and take a sip, you'll be dead within 30 seconds."


if you get a load of cola, remove the water, a spoonful of the syrup thats left over will kill you instantly

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Does that make coca cola healthy? It makes you fat, rots your teeth and breaks down your immune system. Although the logic of the analogy's flawed, by coincidence, the two fit rather well.

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Quote: " I think the best evidence is the fact that Tobacco companies must place advertisements on cigarette packets that say things like: "Warning: Smoking is harmful and may cause lung cancer""


Over here our cigarette packs show diseased lungs, baby fetuses, and other grotesque things. And they say things like "Smoking WILL kill you" etc. etc. Hahaha, pathetic.


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Quote: "For those who actually think smoking doesn't cause cancer should really check their brains for warranty. Ask anyone who knows a chain smoker who got lung cancer--- you know it's from the cigarettes just by instinct."


More people die every year of lung cancer who DON'T smoke than do. Three of my grandparent's died of lung cancer, one of whom smoked, and the other two never touched cigarettes. That's how my logic has to work. Know what causes cancer IMO? Genetics, since genetic cancer is the only form we've been able to actually pinpoint (to my knowledge)

Quote: "if you get a load of cola, remove the water, a spoonful of the syrup thats left over will kill you instantly"


^ VERY not true! Anyone whose been to college and participated in silly mini-mall activities will tell you about the guy (or girl) who drank/ ate a glass of cola syrup on a bet. I saw three people do it and none of them are dead.

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I will dissolve a tooth to nothing (with the water) if you leave it there for enough hours (10 or 12)... but that's not nearly as impressive

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Matt Rock> The reason more people die of lung cancer that DON'T smoke, as opposed to those that do smoke, is related to the fact(as someone pointed out earlier) that less people smoke than do smoke. Of course more people who don't smoke die of lung cancer, just because they're the majority, so there's more of them TO die of lung cancer, lol.

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Quote: "More people die every year of lung cancer who DON'T smoke than do."


So smoking reduces the risk of lung cancer?
I would really like to see some medical research that came to that conclusion other than your anecdotal evidence.

Quote: "I will dissolve a tooth to nothing (with the water) if you leave it there for enough hours (10 or 12)... but that's not nearly as impressive"


Think about it. People only have one set of teeth. Some people drink large quantities of cola. How do these people still have teeth when there teeth have had cola poured over them for many hours?

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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 10:06 Edited at: 31st Mar 2005 10:06
Quote: "More people die every year of lung cancer who DON'T smoke than do. Three of my grandparent's died of lung cancer, one of whom smoked, and the other two never touched cigarettes. That's how my logic has to work. Know what causes cancer IMO? Genetics, since genetic cancer is the only form we've been able to actually pinpoint (to my knowledge)"


Yeah. It's called second hand smoke.

Most people dying of lung cancer are all "But I never smoked in my life!!!"

Odds are you were around someone who did, as you mentioned with one of your relatives who you said smokes.

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Quote: "Yeah. It's called second hand smoke."


ya, from your car

Who are you more around, people who smoke, or your car?

While we're at it.. how many times have you burned food and inhaled the smoke.. how bout camp fires.. etc. etc..


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Jerico2Day> Is there rat poison in your car exhaust? In burnt food? In camp fires? Cyanide? I think not. there is a HUGE difference.

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Quote: "Jerico2Day> Is there rat poison in your car exhaust? In burnt food? In camp fires? Cyanide? I think not. there is a HUGE difference."


http://www.essaysample.com/essay/002500.html
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/64/72309.htm
http://www.hammersmithresearch.com/specialty/article.asp?Specialty=Pharmacology&art_id=215

I hand it to you though, I don't think there's rat poisen in car exhaust....

BTW, here's a nice quote from that third article
Quote: "diesel exhaust-exposed workers comparable with the increased risk from environmental tobacco smoke"


http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/cyanide.html

Quote: ". No data are available on the carcinogenic effects of cyanide in humans via inhalation"


Wow freaky! We don't even KNOW if our car exhaust has enough cyanide in it to give us cancer! For all you know it could be well enough for everybody to be at risk!

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