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flibX0r
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Posted: 1st Apr 2005 01:54
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uh, your course makes mine look sucky, perhaps i should go to your uni. Pity it's in the wrong state


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Jess T
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Posted: 1st Apr 2005 02:07
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Awww, don't feel bad. It's ok, we can't all be Gods.

lol, jk

I moved 4hrs out of home, away from the coast, into Country Bumkin area for this course, so why can't you move 60minutes ( on the plane ) away from home into bumkinville as well, eh?


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flibX0r
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Posted: 1st Apr 2005 02:19
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because i'm cheap and lazy


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PowerSoft
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My solution?

Help after they've waited. That way it makes them actually have patience, respect you and gives you the power.

I also do other methods but its hard to explain.

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Jess,
you're in a game course and you're learning java? ummmmm

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 07:02
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What are you trying to say?

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Ace Of Spades
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I was in a small c++ course...but it wasn't very helpful...as my class was full of computer-illiterate folks. So within a week of the class, I knew more than my teacher did...kind of sad, but o well.

Why am i mentioning this? Cause im stupid and don't care about anything but my problems.
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Hamish McHaggis
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 08:12
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In our college, most people HAVE to do key skills AS level. I got out of it as I do computing (which is also pretty much a waste of time if you are a fairly competent programmer). The key skills coursework consists of:

1.) Using google to make a search for something
2.) Creating and editing a word document
3.) Doing various other easy crap
4.) Taking 300 or so screen "dumps" to prove you can do all of the above

I don't have anything against people who can't use a computer, people who moan about it are idiots, but when they make you do patronising, timewasting tasks like key skills, you can't help but wonder quite how stupid some people are.

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Jeku
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 08:53
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Quote: "you're in a game course and you're learning java? ummmmm"


You can do some pretty good things with Java. For example I made a Tron lightcycle game using OpenGL in Java. Java is also the main language used for mobile games development.


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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 12:31
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all the comp classes at my school are like "computer applications" or "keyboarding", where they teach you how to use microsoft word, and excel! and how to type! We dont get any good stuff till 11th grade with computer science, hehe.

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Megaton Cat
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You people do not even begin to know how much I loath my Computer Engeneering class. I whine about it to everybody.

My school hardly offers anything on computers, so I figured this class would be fun. It taught me how much I really know about computers...not much. -_-'

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Osiris
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Yeah, well you know whats really sad, when the overlords that watch over the computers with thier ever watching software make a mistake they always blame it on hackers, one time I got in through the command prompt and changed their passwords just for fun .

OT:
does anyone know what happened to the whitehat tech website? I used to love reading their news.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 13:54
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Quote: "you're in a game course and you're learning java? ummmmm"


http://www.runescape.com
Not to bad (in the programming sense) if i do say so myself.
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Neofish
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 14:34
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Nope, a forum full of em


Yes Java is very popular, it leads on to OO, C++ for example and can be used for games.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 14:51
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Quote: "uh, your course makes mine look sucky"

And my course makes his look sucky, so don't worry, there will always be someone better off than you.


Oh, and the reason they teach us Java first is because it's easier than C++ to a certain degree and much of the newer students to programming will find the transistion from Java to C++ much smoother than jumping straight into C++ itself. The idea is to teach key programming concepts with Java (primarily OOP in this case, so things like classes, multiple inheritance and polymorphism are covered) and then move onto C++ in the second year (but skip all the things already covered in Java). There's also the added bonus that as previously mentioned, Java is a solid language that most programmers should know simply because it has numerous versatile uses such as mobile games development, etc. Or at least that's the basic viewpoint from my Uni.


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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 17:48
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Haha,
Quote: "And my course makes his look sucky"


Aww, you wish.
I think that some people ( Exeat ) might be missing the whole concept behind my course... We learn how to make games... nothing else. It's not a computer engineering course, it's not a programming course with a Game section thrown in... it is GAMES. That's it, nothing else, just games.

Just as an example, I've only been at uni for 5 weeks, and we're already learning about the psycology behind the senses with relation to games, so that we can better understand Furier Transform, and how all the very basics of visual representation of games and audio for games etc etc is done.

Oh, and did I mention that Exeat is wrong? Ok.

However, he was right about one thing - Java is used too teach OOP.
He was wrong about when we go onto C++ - we start next semester ( half way through the year, for those that don't know ). Then next year we start on DirectX I think

GAMES is what it's all about - no cheesy Computer course with a games section thrown in for good measure and to bring more nerds through... JUST GAMES. THATS IT. NOTHING ELSE. *whisper* just games.

So... yeah.


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Long time ago for me all the teachers i had in my computer classes didnt know crap about computers...which made them crappy teachers how they got there degree is beyond me.

But anyhow needless to say the teachers didnt like my tinkering since i turned off all the "saftys" and when my friend "who works there" found out it was me doing that he just said "your doing that" but he didnt tell anyone because he thought it was funny...running though proxys...silly school couldnt find there ass with a map and a mirror....

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 18:10
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Quote: "you're in a game course and you're learning java? ummmmm"

I've seen $600 game camps teaching minimal Python. And they only last a week.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 18:57 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2005 23:37
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Quote: "I think that some people ( Exeat ) might be missing the whole concept behind my course... We learn how to make games... nothing else."


If it's got a smelly concept, it makes it a smelly course. What happens if the games industry collapses on itself, you're stranded in the dirt.

On the other hand, the course I'm currently enrolled in has all the game-related subjects (yes, the same stuff as in your example) but we've also got a mix of programming and graphics-related goals. That means, in addition to all that games theory, throw in some Java, SQL, Adobe Illustrator and 3DS Max 7 just for the first year. Granted, your course is aimed at learning about games, ours is aimed at producing the missing link between a computer game programmer and a graphics artist, solving the age-old problem of segregated teams that can't communicate with eachother. But yeah, whatever, have fun.


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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 19:09
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Quote: "What happens if the games industry collapses on itself, you're stranded in the dirt."


Oh, sorry... I didn't realize that Doom3 didn't make any money

Anyhoo, my course is better than yours

haxorphreak, well, those people were getting ripped off
The must never have heard of the wonders of a "Google Search"

And, my programming teacher at school was a Music teacher, beleive it or not! Great way the government around here has of recycling teachers, eh!?


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Quote: "Oh, sorry... I didn't realize that Doom3 didn't make any money "


Oh, sorry, I didn't realise you were going to start out at iD.


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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 20:09 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2005 20:17
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In my IT class I'm the kind of person that everyone asks for help, and I don't mind because it's a place for learning and not everyone knows as much as I do (although that's not too much!). What really annoys me is when everyone asks me questions non-stop wihle our teacher sits on his fat ass:



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- P3 500mhz processor
- 32 MB RAM
- 2 GB hard drive (of which we can use 15MB to store our data)
- State-of-the-art floppy drive technology!
- 15 inch CRT monitors
- mice that only move the cursor when they want to
- keyboards with no windows button, and a missing space key cover

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Jess are you on a games course?


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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 23:29 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2005 23:39
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Quote: "If it's got a smelly concept, it makes it a smelly course. What happens if the games industry collapses on itself, you're stranded in the dirt."


Don't worry. They have a special committee set up now to prevent games like another E.T getting through and forcing the entire industry onto it's face.

EDIT: Just noticed something that really pisses me of as a user...
The mods don't have the language filter, so when I quoted Exeat, it wouldn't let me post becasue he typed "$hitty" as part of his reply. (Which I had to edit with "$" instead of "s"

Thanks alot Rich.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2005 23:35 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2005 23:40
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Quote: "Don't worry. They have a special committee set up now to prevent games like another E.T getting through and forcing the entire industry onto it's face."


Seriously though, we could use the landfill!

Edit: We're supposed to be responsible enough as mods to not use language like that, I just got carried away (too used to screwing with Jess on MSN)... I've edited my inappropriate post now, though. Actually, I wasn't even aware the 's' word was on the banned list.


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Posted: 4th Apr 2005 04:04
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Fishy, Yeah, I'm glad that SOMEONE finally got it! Sheesh!

Megaton,
Also, if we really need to get a point across to another user, swear words really help alot when it's not a common occurance around these boards
But, again, we're entrusted enough not to swear in every-day speak

And, yeah, me and Exeat don't actually hate eachother... He just hates me, so it's all ok

Jess.


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I just really worry about all you guys taking the Bachelor of Multimedia or whatever it's called this week. Just hope you can find a job when you're done.

Good luck!

I've been screwed by an artschool/game dev school already, so I'm sticking with a plain old computer science degree...


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Well mine's a double degree of BMm (Games) and BSc (Computer Science), so technically (like Jess said), I'm doing a normal Software Dev/Programming degree but with a bunch of games and graphics courses thrown in on the side. I can't see how this could be any worse than doing a normal CS degree because that's what I am doing.

But yeah, putting all that aside, you must remember that we're living in Australia, nothing can go wrong down here.


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I was doing a training course for Business Admin at a (now defunct) training provider a few year ago, and after moving premises to Head Office, two computer rooms were set up, one with computer mainly with Windows 2000, and the other, full of near-486 NT machines. A bit later someone from the engineering section brought some trainees to work on the NT machines.

After they were finished, I ended up spending an hour pulling Program Files folders out of Recycle Bins and reseting wallpapers to get rid of obscene art made in Paint and deleting the offending images. Chavs.

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Yeah I often hit print, scribble offending things on MS paint (I'll spare details) and set it as the desktop background.

I remember copy & pasting a few "inappropriate" images to my friend's sister's desktop. Brilliant.

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Quote: "Chavs"

haha, our computers are too shiny for them to do that here...however adept pupils can


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Quote: "haxorphreak, well, those people were getting ripped off
The must never have heard of the wonders of a "Google Search" "

And sadly, I have about 8 friends planning on signing up.

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