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Geek Culture / Does anyone read the liscense!

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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 11:13
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Well billgates could probably get a lot of u in trouble by things that are just friggin stupid along with a few other people ,tgc lol j/k, but yea here are a few things and i will edit as i read more and more

from the micrsoft xp home sp2 eula oem edition(not upgrade)

you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER. -this makes MICROSOFT virtual pc technically illegal because it displays it 2 times one to your pc then your pc to u

The SOFTWARE may not be used by more than one (1) processor
at any one time on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is
indicated on the Certificate of Authenticity - u have to pay for more than 1 cpu 2 times once for hardware and again for windows what a load of crap

You may permit
a maximum of five (5) ("Connection Maximum") computers or
other electronic devices (each a "Device") to connect to the
COMPUTER to utilize one or more of the following services of
the SOFTWARE: File services, Print services, Internet
Information services, and remote access (including connection
sharing and telephony services) - pretty strange they dont have an automatic limit on the connection limit


i g2g eat will post more later

(hopefully this wont be locked when i get back)

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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 12:06
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Quote: "this makes MICROSOFT virtual pc technically illegal because it displays it 2 times one to your pc then your pc to u"


Except Virtual PC isn't a computer, it's a piece of software.

Quote: "u have to pay for more than 1 cpu 2 times once for hardware and again for windows what a load of crap"


Yup. You need a multi-processor certificate.

Quote: "pretty strange they dont have an automatic limit on the connection limit"


They do, but it's not 5 The reason for this clause is simple - to force sales of Windows 200x Server Edition.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 13:11 Edited at: 31st Mar 2005 13:13
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yup

now im done eating/watching tv so i will read the eula for a few minutes then go back to working on a users guide for assorted.dll beta

* Back-up Copy. YOU MAY MAKE A SINGLE BACK-UP
COPY OF THE SOFTWARE. YOU MAY USE ONE
(1) BACK-UP COPY SOLELY FOR YOUR ARCHIVAL
PURPOSES AND TO REINSTALL THE SOFTWARE ON THE
COMPUTER. EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN
THIS EULA OR BY LOCAL LAW, YOU MAY NOT
OTHERWISE MAKE COPIES OF THE SOFTWARE,
INCLUDING THE PRINTED MATERIALS ACCOMPANYING
THE SOFTWARE. YOU MAY NOT LOAN, RENT, LEASE,
LEND OR OTHERWISE TRANSFER THE CD OR BACK-UP
COPY TO ANOTHER USER. -hmm i tried to make a backup copy but strangly it is copyrighted so why even include that in the eula if they wont let u - u cnt make a copy of the manual lol how stupid


(i) Manufacturer may have
elected to provide you with a one-time selection of two or
more language versions of the SOFTWARE as part of the SOFTWARE
setup process. In such event, you are licensed to use only
one (1) of the language versions provided. Once you have used
a language version, you are not licensed to use any of the
other language versions that Manufacturer may have included
with the COMPUTER - hmm strange winxp oem includes more than 1 language and even lets u switch at any time u want

* Operating System Selection. Manufacturer may have elected
to provide you with a selection of Microsoft operating system
software for the COMPUTER. As part of the setup process for
the SOFTWARE you may be given a one-time option to select one
(1) Microsoft operating system. Upon selection, the one (1)
Microsoft operating system selected by you will be set up on
the COMPUTER, and the other Microsoft operating system (s) not
selected by you will be automatically and permanently deleted
from the hard disk of the COMPUTER and thereafter you are
licensed to use only the one (1) Microsoft operating system
selected. If the COMPUTER is accompanied by more than one (1)
COA for a Microsoft operating system, you are licensed to use
each Microsoft operating system(s) for which a COA is
provided. -has anyone ever seen a person like hp supply more than 1 os

This EULA does not grant you any rights to use the
Windows Media Format Software Development Kit ("WMFSDK")
components contained in the SOFTWARE to develop a software
application that uses Windows Media technology -hmm tgc did u clarify with that that means that no app using the .wma or like formats shall be *edit*made* without a liscense!

UPGRADES. If the SOFTWARE is labeled as an upgrade, you
must be properly licensed to use a product identified by
MS or Microsoft Corporation as being eligible for the
upgrade in order to use the SOFTWARE ("Eligible Product").
For the purpose of upgrade(s) only, "HARDWARE" shall mean
the computer system or computer system component with
which you received the Eligible Product. SOFTWARE labeled
as an upgrade replaces and/or supplements (and may
disable, if upgrading a Microsoft software product) the
Eligible Product which came with the HARDWARE. After
upgrading, you may no longer use the SOFTWARE that formed
the basis for your upgrade eligibility (unless otherwise
provided) -hmm why can u choose not to modify the old windows install then

hmm im bored of it now going to work on soem other htings

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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 17:17
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Aaaaannndd none of that applies when you have the pirated version


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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 18:41
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That stupid download message from M$ makes me laugh, when you go to download something from M$'s website they ask you to decide whether or not to authenticate your copy of windows. Great trick, that way everyone with a dodgy copy will try to activate then they can send in the army - either that or nobody will authenticate because to do that would mean you trust M$.

I hate M$'s licensing policies - frankly I think that as long as you have a legal copy of a M$ OS, it should be allowed to access a W2K network - but no, you need a seperate licence just to access it for each PC. The licensing cost of each PC at work equates to a lot more than most of these PC's are worth - and we're only really using Office.


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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 18:54
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Honestly, how many people actually own legal copies?

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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 19:34 Edited at: 31st Mar 2005 19:35
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Quote: "Honestly, how many people actually own legal copies? "


Most of us. Which I think singles you out


On my ase it says "Windows XP authenticated for 1-2 CPUs".

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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 19:38
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In business, a lot - at home, well I have a XP licence but I use Win2kPro, M$'s fault not mine . TBH I think that most newer PC's will have at least a XP Home licence, there are a lot of Windows98se machines out there though that have illegal copies - but frankly I think that's great, when a company drops support for a product, I think it's hard not to justify people taking it.


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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 21:31
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Quote: "hmm strange winxp oem includes more than 1 language and even lets u switch at any time u want"

what? how?! I want mine in English, not Norwegian!

I got a legal copy of XP home.. but that is kind of illegal because it is registered on one computer, but installed on three..

oh, and Van.. have you been fighting with your mom?!

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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 21:51
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Quote: "oh, and Van.. have you been fighting with your mom?!"


Hehe, my moms too stupid to fight with, I just like winding her up and mentally recording all the funny crap she comes out with.


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Posted: 31st Mar 2005 21:59
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Quote: "Most of us. Which I think singles you out "


And about a bajillion other people.

Anyway, MS has made so much money I reckon they couldn't even be bothered seeking out the evil ones.

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Posted: 1st Apr 2005 10:32
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I wish that all software was released under the GNU license. That way we could go mess with it all! Because Information should be FREE!! JK!

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2005 12:14
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i dont know how people can be so stupid to buy 1's and 0's that all software is u know that sourcecode of that one ftp server i saw somewhere
all it is is 1's and 0's in ascii byte codes

its ridicoulus what we pay for

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2005 12:35 Edited at: 23rd Apr 2005 12:38
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Quote: "a maximum of five (5) ("Connection Maximum") computers or
other electronic devices (each a "Device") to connect to the
COMPUTER to utilize one or more of the following services of
the SOFTWARE:"

You mean a 5 queue connection backlog probably.


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Quote: " dont know how people can be so stupid to buy 1's and 0's that all software is u know that sourcecode of that one ftp server i saw somewhere
all it is is 1's and 0's in ascii byte codes

its ridicoulus what we pay for"


Ye, and what's up with all these books people buy.. I mean seriously, all it is is like, 26 letters arranged and repeated throughout hundreds of pages! And maybe some special characters...

Arg.. book? I HAT BOOK! BOOK IS STUPID!!1


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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 12:29
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mhmm. Someones been reading the SpyBot documentation.


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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 18:46
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Quote: "Does anyone read the liscense!"


Not sure if it was ment as a question or statement.
I always read the LGPL/GPL/EULA, I mean how else do you know your being screwed over?

Doesn't mean even if I am that I won't install it.
It's like Microsoft Windows legally is only allowed on a single computer, but each version they've made networking for multiple computers easy. Of course the Professional version is allowed on up to 5 machines but your paying 3x more.

There are some interesting things added to EULAs sometimes though.
Read the Adobe Photoshop one heh
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I believe that EULA you mention is for *OEM* editions, recently Microsoft has changed it's licensing terms for OEM licences as some dodgy retailers were distributing/selling spare OEM licence keys to others after activating their systems using the same keys.

I got the original 2001 full version (non OEM) of WinXP Pro which was installed and running on my old AMD 1.4Ghz system. I recently bought a new AMD 64 machine and installed WinXP Pro on it then tried to activate it over the internet. I was successful on two occasions, then got a message saying my activation count limit has been exceeded and I had to call Microsoft's helpline.

The lady I spoke to spent like 15-20 minutes checking me up (yeah you're on hold for a long time) then gave me a new activation code. This confirms what I have heard before, that you can install the FULL version (not OEM) of WinXP on at least two machines but not more ... I cannot remember from where I read it but I got XP Pro installed on 2 machines now.

They're a lot stricter with OEM editions and you may be required to call them everytime you want to activate an OEM licence (unless you got it activated and pre-installed by the OEM retailer).
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I dunno, I splashed out the extra £50 on Corporate. I reinstall Windows quite often so having to reactive sometime 2-3x in a day because I've buggered something up good & proper, really isn't of any use to me.

Professional Corporate allows for 5machines, figured it was the same for Professional Standard.
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my windows xp is free from microsoft's site, it only lasts a year but i just install the new beta for another year when it runs out. unfortunately i need to dual boon normal xp home because the xp64 beta won't run some games, inc. dbp exes.

still seems surprising what microsoft give out for free of you actually browse their site. it probably says in the beta licence something like m$ ownes my pc now or something but if i wipe my hdd 60+ times then they'll never know

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