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AlexI
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Posted: 6th Apr 2005 05:38 Edited at: 6th Apr 2005 05:39
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well i was just wondering well are first person games better that third person games

i use to hate third pearson games but since i played a 3rd person like a 100 times and went back to 1st person it was rubbish

?so which is better?

3rd person
more control over the player
more moves such as dives, wall hug, ect


1st person
able to see more detatail in screnery
really a good look around!

?so which is better in your veiw?
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Jimmy
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I prefer second-person actually.


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AlexI
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? whats that ?
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Ian T
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Please stop putting punctuation marks at either side of your sentences


All good shooters are first person, but games like Gothic work well in 3rd person.

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Quote: " I prefer second-person actually."


I tried that once, a little hard to see where you are going
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Benjamin
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Quote: " Please stop putting punctuation marks at either side of your sentences"

I don't see punctuation marks, just question marks


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Hawkeye
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Same thing really. Myself, I perfer a cat's point of view, but heck that's just me.

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AlexI
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Posted: 6th Apr 2005 17:33
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so most people like?
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bitJericho
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the second person games are by far the most involving...

But I like first and third person games as well


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AlexI
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Posted: 6th Apr 2005 17:38
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whats second person. wheres the camerea placed?
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billy the kid
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1st person allows for better control and 3rd person allows for better views. Think you got those 2 mixed up. And if you dont believe me, play Thief 1 or 2 and then play Thief 3 in 3rd person. Youll see which is easier to control.

Personally I prefer 1st person unless its one of those MMORPGs.
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Posted: 6th Apr 2005 17:41
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usually it's very dark.. so you can't really tell...


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Van B
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I like 4th person views, which is when you control the character from several miles away while sitting in a pub.


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Posted: 6th Apr 2005 18:34
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ha
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Ian T
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Posted: 7th Apr 2005 04:34 Edited at: 7th Apr 2005 04:35
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Quote: "I don't see punctuation marks, just question marks"


Touche. My brain is melting


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Benjamin
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Quote: "And if you dont believe me, play Thief 1 or 2 and then play Thief 3 in 3rd person. "

A thief player!


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Ian T
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I prefer 1st person view in Thief. It's far more immersive, and I think that's the #1 thing about the Thief games. Not that I begrudge them for putting the option in for those who prefer it


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Quote: "whats second person. wheres the camerea placed?"


In second person you are blind and the game controls you


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AlexI
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Posted: 7th Apr 2005 19:46
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i know what second person is now.
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Dave J
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Posted: 7th Apr 2005 19:47
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Then could you explain it to me, please, because I'm still very confused.


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ok exeat, it's like a story kind of
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Teh Go0rfmeister
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depends on how you want the person the feel about the character

1st person view allows the player to become the character so when you die its like "dam, I died!", whereas 3rd person view gives the feeling of it being the players creation. "Dam, my creation! noooo"
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AlexI
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Posted: 7th Apr 2005 20:38
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any orther vewis on my question

and only 1st person or 3rd
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Dave J
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I still don't understand 2nd person, aren't all perspectives stories in someway? How can a perspective be a story in itself?


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Hawkeye
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2nd person is where the camera is fixed in a position. The camera constantly points toward the PC (player charecter )--like in the Van Helising game thingee. The camera's position changes for each room the player enters, like this (slashes depict where the camera is ponting)


Make sense?

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owell you may discover one day
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Dave J
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Posted: 7th Apr 2005 23:43
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Sounds an awful lot like third person to me...


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Ah BUT: In third person, the camera follows a set distance behind the player. (SET CAMERA TO FOLLOW) In second person, you position the camera at a set point and use POINT CAMERA x,y,z with the player position as x,y,z. You reposition the camera fro each new room/section you enter.

the main difference is that 2nd person is a hell of a lot harder to control than 3rd person

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That may be a new definition of second person, but I've never heard of a 3rd person fixed camera being called 2nd person before.

1st person and 3rd person are two methods of narration-- ('I looekd up and He looked up)-- they are only used in the context of video games because viewing from someone's POV makes the nature of the story feel like a 1st person one, and the same with 3rd person. There is no 2nd person in graphical games. In narrative, the style would be (You look up)-- but there's no particular method of camera use that falls into that, unless, as I mentioned above, fixed camera 3rd person is now called 2nd person.


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Quote: "You sit outside smoking on your pipe.

What would you like to do
> Look around

You look around and see ... bla bla.."


You could say this is a second person game... Where you type in first person commands


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Quote: "There is no 2nd person in graphical games. In narrative, the style would be (You look up)-- but there's no particular method of camera use that falls into that, unless, as I mentioned above, fixed camera 3rd person is now called 2nd person."


WRONG

Quote: "In second person you are blind and the game controls you"


RIGHT


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in communist russia the games play YOU..


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Communist Russia doesn't have any games.


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Quote: " I like 4th person views, which is when you control the character from several miles away while sitting in a pub."


I actually want to try a 4th person game... where its just a person sitting in a car or something telling you what happened:

"You started a new game"
"You wait for some loading... atleast thats what I heard from the 3rd person, but he's a liar, so I don't know if you have"
"you step up, no wait left.... the 5th person said left, the 3rd person said up... I couldn't see from where I was.... in the pub"

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I prefer 1st person - I like to escape the drudgery of everyday life and become someone who has a minigun with unlimited ammo . 2nd person is good because it gives you that feeling of security cameras everywhere - while I still liked Resident Evil 4, I loved the other RE games when you had to rely on one camera position (yet, it was REALLY annoying when you were in a corner that the camera couldn't see, and you were being surrounded by zombies).

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I suppose it depends on the type of game you're playing.

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Quote: " 2nd person is good because it gives you that feeling of security cameras everywhere"


I believe we came to the conclusion that that kind of viewpoint is still 3rd person


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so THE CONCLUSION do people like 3rd person more than 1st or is jerico2day lying
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lol, your question and "is jerico2day lying" are totally unrelated. He never said anything about who liked what more.

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AlexI
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im shure did not put that
Quote: "so THE CONCLUSION do people like 3rd person more than 1st or is jerico2day lying "


maybe a moderator did that or i am just dum and werird
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my post as it was suppose to be:

so THE CONCLUSION do people like 3rd person more than 1st
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I dont know, why dont you ask them...
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Quote: "maybe a moderator did that or i am just dum and werird"


Nope, your post still comes up with Edited if a Mod edits your post.
So... that only leaves the option of you being Dumb and Weird.




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no Jess that's dum and werird

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-- TO CLEAR UP ALL CONFUSION ABOUT 2ND PERSON --


The name convention of views comes from that of books, in that in a first person book, you are told the story through a character's eyes. In third person, you are told the story from an external view, in a kind of god-like view. Now, second person is when YOU are the character. A good example is those Choose-your-own-adventure books, when it say "You walk down the street. You beat up an old woman".

To take these terms to games, in first person you control the character from its viewpoint, in third person you control the character from an external viewpoint, and in a second person game (of which i don't think exist), the game controls you

Which brings about the really scary part: Jimmy was right



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Quote: "To take these terms to games, in first person you control the character from its viewpoint, in third person you control the character from an external viewpoint, and in a second person game (of which i don't think exist), the game controls you"


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what if the first person poked the 2nd person in the eye and the 2nd person fell over the third while the forth had a beer all in a bar room brawl.

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That would be too good to miss.


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