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code master
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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 09:24 Edited at: 8th Dec 2005 17:27
I was making an XP theme with everything HUGE, then i tried it and an X took up a 4th of the screen. I right mouse the desktop, and the menu comes up, only it fills the screen with solid white. Any way i can fix it without logging onto my busted user?


OK, its fixed!

I din't use 3rd party software to change it, i used windows!

smacktard is my favorite word.
YOU are my least favorite person.
and my favorite pastime is being board, so scram, smacktard
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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 09:43
Did you try safe mode?
code master
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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 09:44
No... Wht would that do?

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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 10:02
Have you tried ending your own life because computers and their respective desktops are the most important things on this horrible planet?!

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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 10:07
Sereously, what can i do, Smacktard(tahnks to jimmy for that word)

smacktard is my favorite word.
YOU are my least favorite person.
and my favorite pastime is being board, so scram, smacktard
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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 10:12
can you manually log onto a main administrator account and fix it for all accounts that way?
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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 10:20
I got that word from Mnemonix.

Thank him.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 21:42
Quote: "Sereously, what can i do"


Log in with Safe Mode, we've already suggested that!


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Posted: 12th Apr 2005 21:51
Get into safe mode which will load up windows with a default VGA driver instead of your graphics options, then set the display properties to what you need and re-boot.

If that does'nt work then perhaps an easy way to fix it would be to reinstall your graphics drivers.


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Posted: 13th Apr 2005 00:59
Generally speaking, hit f8 a bunch of times when windows is starting to boot up. Taht will *probally* start it in safe mode (depends on your windows version)

Failing that just hit "boot in safe mode"

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Posted: 13th Apr 2005 16:12
Turn the P.C on. When You get the main details about the computer Hit F8.

There will be a list of things. Choose Safe Mode. Which will load up windows with a default VGA driver.

As You may have seen The blcoky Icons.

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billy the kid
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Posted: 13th Apr 2005 16:16 Edited at: 13th Apr 2005 16:17
LOL!!! I think you just found another bug in Windows. An X takes up 1/4th of the screen? LOL!!!
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Posted: 13th Apr 2005 16:33
Quote: "LOL!!! I think you just found another bug in Windows. An X takes up 1/4th of the screen? LOL!!! "


Sounds like user error to me


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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 04:34
billy, were you born that way? I would assume so, but there have been cases of acquired retardation.

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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 07:26
ouch, I can feel that burn from here...

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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 08:08 Edited at: 14th Apr 2005 08:13
Quote: " billy, were you born that way? I would assume so, but there have been cases of acquired retardation."


Uhh, I dont follow. Might have something to do with my retardation.

If Windows was correct, it would not have let such a large theme be used. Thats the bug Im referring to. Windows inability to check and correct for that possibility. But people usually dont do that, so Im sure they didnt test it. And I find the fact of the X taking up 1/4 the screen quite funny.
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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 10:45
What? To theme XP you have to hack it up with a DLL that didn't come with xp.

So blaming xp because of user mistakes is not the proper evaluation here.

Let say you fudge up your diesel truck by putting gasoline in the tank. I suppose that's the truck companies fault.

Or you fry your toaster because you stuck your fork in it.

Or you are in pain because you tried to light natural gas in front of your friends.


Come on. Lol. Thats funny, I don't care who you are.


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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 12:05 Edited at: 14th Apr 2005 12:07
An OS should be and can be written robust enough to never seriously crash because of a user program. Period.

It is quite tough though. But unlike a fuel tank, an OS can check if its the right fuel.
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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 12:41
Quote: "An OS should be and can be written robust enough to never seriously crash because of a user program. Period.

It is quite tough though. But unlike a fuel tank, an OS can check if its the right fuel. "


True.. if we want our OS to be slow and overly huge.. Windows is already somewhat sluggish and large.. what do you want from it?


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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 13:13
Quote: "True.. if we want our OS to be slow and overly huge.. Windows is already somewhat sluggish and large.. what do you want from it?"


No not really. Please go build an OS, or part of one, and then come back.
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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 13:24
I sense something I have not felt since...

Raven...

Quote: "An OS should be and can be written robust enough to never seriously crash because of a user program. Period."


A gigantic X is not the error of the OS, it's a user problem. You can't blame Windows for the user making a mistake. It's not even a crash.

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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 13:40 Edited at: 14th Apr 2005 13:41
If he restarts and it is still all messed up, its a little more than a user mistake. And you are right, its not a crash. Heck that might even be correct behavior however that isnt desirable behavior.
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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 14:27 Edited at: 14th Apr 2005 14:30
Quote: "If he restarts and it is still all messed up, its a little more than a user mistake. And you are right, its not a crash. Heck that might even be correct behavior however that isnt desirable behavior."


You want windows to be a magic "undesirable behavior" detector?

He used a third party software to screw up his computer! Windows has a protection mechanism, it doesn't allow you normally to make buttons that big under normal circumstances..

Quote: "No not really. Please go build an OS, or part of one, and then come back"


You're telling me windows isn't overly complicated and huge, and slower because of it? Please... you want features you have to pay for them in speed...

Go build an OS and then come back and tell us how easy it was to implement retard-safety


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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 14:36 Edited at: 14th Apr 2005 14:41
You said this:

Quote: "An OS should be and can be written robust enough to never seriously crash because of a user program. Period"


And then you said this:

Quote: " Please go build an OS, or part of one, and then come back."


Who are you, Bill Gates? From your posts you obviously don't know anything about how Windows and ThemeXP work anyways, so kindly stay out of what you aren't even beginning to understand, let alone help with

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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 16:02 Edited at: 14th Apr 2005 16:05
Quote: "You want windows to be a magic "undesirable behavior" detector?"


Well modern OS's actually do have some ability to detect undesirable behavior. But yes it is quite hard to know what 3rd party software will do. However that doesnt mean MS cant fix the problem because obviously it is.

Quote: "You're telling me windows isn't overly complicated and huge, and slower because of it? Please... you want features you have to pay for them in speed..."


Of course it is slower than if less features. However the "slowness" is not really a problem because its not really slow. It runs quite fast for most things. And the algorithms used in modern OS's are crazy complicated yet super efficient. So bringing up that Windows is slow is irrelevant.

Quote: "you obviously don't know anything about how Windows work"


No, actually I do have some idea the inner workings of Windows XP. Windows XP is like other modern OS's (Solaris, Unix, etc) in a very high-level way. Fundamentally there isnt much difference between modern OS's. They all have a protected core kernel. Yes they do have different implementations for different things. But memory allocation is about the same, pagefile swapping is about the same, etc. The overall designs are quite similar, its the details that are different.

And if you must know, Ive written parts of a Solaris-like OS. I had to unfortunately. I find OS design and programming boring, but whatever.

Quote: "you obviously don't know anything about how ThemeXP work"


True nor do I care.
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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 16:07
Quote: "But yes it is quite hard to know what 3rd party software will do. However that doesnt mean MS cant fix the problem"


Yes it does.

Quote: "So bringing up that Windows is slow is irrelevant."


You hardly proved that.

Quote: "The overall designs are quite similar, its the details that are different."


Linux's modular core design and Windows, both 9x and NT kernel, are about as different as you can possibly get. For god's sake stop pulling stuff out of your rear.

Quote: "True nor do I care."


Then stop pretending you have any idea whether Windows should be able to detect its modifications to the core interface files.

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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 16:32 Edited at: 14th Apr 2005 17:17
Quote: "You hardly proved that."


Whats with you and "proving" everything? Window's slowness or fastness has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

Quote: "Linux's modular core design and Windows, both 9x and NT kernel, are about as different as you can possibly get. For god's sake stop pulling stuff out of your rear."


Windows 9x is a lot different than modern OS's yes thats true. And yeah Windows NT is not modular like Linux and others, its one big program. However Windows is modularized within that big program. At a very high-level there isnt much difference in the subsystems. Or I should say what subsystems are present. The implementation of the subsystems are different, sometimes really different, sometimes not.

Quote: "For god's sake stop pulling stuff out of your rear."


Got news for ya, you are the one with the rear full of stuff this time.

Since I know you like sources, here is a overall description of both the Linux and Windows NT architecture. Now I want you to pay attention to the parts about the core and kernel. When they talk about memory managment, process managment, etc. Thats the part Im saying are similar at a concept level but different at an implementation level. Anything else is just fluff, like Windows NT has a lot of stuff for compatibility that Linux doesnt. Anyway:

Linux - http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~itbowman/CS746G/a1/
Windows - http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Content/356/01/1.html
Hopefully more credible comparison:
Part 3 - http://www.itworld.com/nl/win_unix/11302000/
Part 4 - http://www.itworld.com/nl/win_unix/12072000/
Part 5 - http://www.itworld.com/nl/win_unix/12142000/
Part 6 - http://www.itworld.com/nl/win_unix/12212000/

Should show that concepts are similar but implementations are sometimes really different.

EDIT:
One more, where I got all those links: http://cs.uml.edu/~cgould/

EDIT 2:
If you need help with some of the jargon, let me know.
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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 17:47 Edited at: 14th Apr 2005 17:48
Quote: "An OS should be and can be written robust enough to never seriously crash because of a user program. "


Hah I'd like you to name one OS that is crash-proof Or maybe the OS you wrote is? An OS *can't* be crash free as long as third party software is involved.


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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 18:11
linux is probably quite a bit worse on the crashing effect.. if linux crashes you could lose hardware.. at least windows will bluescreen...

Now.. what if someone had a monitor that could display enormous amounts of pixels... would they want the windows size limited in any way? Perhaps it's a feature that they don't waste processing time to detect if the window components are too large


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Posted: 14th Apr 2005 23:38 Edited at: 15th Apr 2005 00:02
Quote: "Hah I'd like you to name one OS that is crash-proof Or maybe the OS you wrote is? An OS *can't* be crash free as long as third party software is involved."


Sigh... You are missing the point Mr Super Literal.

Quote: "linux is probably quite a bit worse on the crashing effect.. if linux crashes you could lose hardware.. at least windows will bluescreen..."


Well IMO Linux is one of crappier OS's for many reasons. However Unix, Solaris are pretty good.

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Quote: "Now.. what if someone had a monitor that could display enormous amounts of pixels... would they want the windows size limited in any way? Perhaps it's a feature that they don't waste processing time to detect if the window components are too large"


Umm well something like that can be sufficiently checked at startup and/or after specific events. A specific event being the component startup or something. Most checks like these are event-driven because yes it would be quite stupid to have a check like this every frame as it would degrade performance.
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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 00:04
Quote: "Sigh... You are missing the point Mr Super Literal. And yet somehow I knew you would reply to this thread with some sort of response like that. "


Wow, you truley are amazing. Somehow you predicted Jeku would post in this thread with a message like that despite him not having posted in this thread before? I bow down to you Sir Know-It All.


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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 00:06
HAHA!!! Well first of all I edited that out. No I didnt know those would be his exact words, but I have found he misses the point a lot in other threads. So...
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How about this: Stop being a moron and hijacking good threads to yell at the forum collective, or I'll give you a 24 hour ban for trolling .

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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 03:32
*shakes head*

How about a deal? Ill stop "trolling" if you stop too.
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You might notice you were publically making an ass of yourself in this thread over 10 posts before I dropped by.

Consider yourself warned. That's all there is to it. If you want to start an argument with somebody, don't hijack other people's threads to do it.

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Quote: "but I have found he misses the point a lot in other threads. So..."


Come again? Do I know you?

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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 05:22 Edited at: 15th Apr 2005 05:22
Mouse - check email

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I dont know, do you?
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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 06:06
Sounds to me like a bunch of silly people with ham sandwiches argueing on why Windows doesn't run a check for sizes of the ham sandwiches.. er... shoot, now I'm all confussed and such.


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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 09:20 Edited at: 15th Apr 2005 09:20
No i didn't. I don't use "ThemeXP"(whatever it is) or any software, i just right mouse desktop, click properties, click appearence, advanced, and then i edit and save it.

EDIT:
i tryed safe mode, no worky

smacktard is my favorite word.
YOU are my least favorite person.
and my favorite pastime is being board, so scram, smacktard
billy the kid
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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 10:16
bug!
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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 16:35 Edited at: 15th Apr 2005 16:36
i just checked it, and you can't make the top border larger than 100 pixels... even by manually typing it in

code, youre going to have to manually login as a different user..

You could also try searching google for resetting those options..


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Posted: 15th Apr 2005 22:59
code master,

If you can right-click on the desktop, and hit properties:

press the left-button a few times (lets hope it will "select other theme's" this way, like XP or classic theme) and hit enter. It might load another theme and fix it this way.

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