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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 07:59
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ok
i have been banned from using any type of forum or communicating with anyone i dont know either thru email or im or whatever(at my dads which is where i live)
the onyl reason im posting here right now is cause i am at my moms visiting
reasons behind this is
1. u dont know them they could be giving u a virus in source code
2. how do u know that u arent chattign with a murderer or something
3. u are just using shortcuts in programming and u wont learn it right and will have to relearn it
4. u can learn it the right way thru a book not thru internet cause they could be lieing to u
5. what if they give u code that damages your pc
6. u are on internet too much
7. they might be giving u porn or illigeal things



now here are my counter reasons
1. im smart enough that i can read the code they give me and understand what it does; plus if it was a virus other people would point it out including mods
2. i dont but im not saying personal things are anything
3. well what if the language is of a minority and dont have a book out yet; there is a 3-d modeller guy who creates interiors that look almost real and he never took an art class and used forums
4. well if i understand what the code does i would be able to tell if they were lieing and mods/others would point it out
5. then i will pay for it; plus i know what the code does
6. im trying to cut down on it and will cut down if i can just ask a question instead of googling for 2 hours or trying to figure it out by trial and error
7. there not; u can read the code of conduct


now here is there reponse
mods: well how do u know u can trust them; they could be lieing to use along withn other users-response well i dont think all 500+ users would be out to get 1 person or that just 1 person can pretend to be so many people
code of conduct: well who knows if anyone enforces it or follows it
2. well u wouldnt want to be chattign to a murderer would u; no but what does it matter if i am i cant get in trouble by him or something cause im not chattign to him personall and he cant track me cause all the ips are hidden for privacy; well what if the admin is a murderer; well what if the owner of google or yahoo is a murderer



anyway
anyone know any extra points i can include
and please hurry i g2g back at 5:50pm central time us

also all i am aiming at is being able to uise the forum i could care less abotu email and such


(is it just me or do they seem a bit computer illiterate and over protective when it comes to computer)

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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 08:14 Edited at: 25th Apr 2005 08:14
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now you can take the sarcastic route: tell them that you will obey their rules if you never go outside (including them), make your own food and purify everything you go near etc etc etc

or the other route, less sarcastic route: if they seriously believe all that you have said then you are incredably paranoid and computer illiterate...they have friends right? how did they make them? by talking to random people, how do they know that they aren't murderers?

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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 08:20
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the beleive in the theory that everyone on the internet is lieing about there idenety

although i never like date onlien i think that is just stupid
very very stupid

and to them they would know what they look like and everything soo...
also im not aiming to make them mad or feel stupid
i just want to be able to get on forums cause it takes me forever to trial and error or google so much(i have went to page 24 or more on a lot of my searches because i was so desperate to find an answer but instead i did workarounds

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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 08:49
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YOu'll just have to live with their rules until you're old enough to move out. I remember my parents had a censor software on my computer so I couldn't access naughty sites, and they were right to do that. Of course now that I'm older I can look back and realize they were pretty smart about raising me. Don't put your age on here, but if you're under 15 you will probably just have to live with their rules.


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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 09:22
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is it just me or has general-talk become the sympathy boared

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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 09:46
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Quote: "the beleive in the theory that everyone on the internet is lieing about there idenety"


You know, to some extent I'd agree with them about that.

The only real thing you can say to them is that it is our policy on the forum to recommend that users NEVER post their ages (minors especially - we will actively delete/edit threads that contain this information), we also recommend that you NEVER post personal details / information (real name, age, even where you live) because quite frankly you just cannot tell who is reading.

Here's something that may reassure them - I am happy to set a flag in the forum software so that any post you make, a copy of it gets emailed to them. That way they can be sure nothing "weird" is going on and you're not giving out any life threatening details. Let me know if you'd like this implemented.

There is nothing wrong at all with parents taking a good hard look at what their children get up to on the Internet, quite frankly I'd be worried at the opposite.

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1. I doubt if someone was to post code on this site that was a virus or virus like with all the mod's around here it would last very long.
2. Who care's i mean if you have problem in code, and you ask for help, even if a murderer did respond to the question with a correct answer, well at least you got your answer, (and just don't give out personal info).
3. Um sure, you mean your learning the smarter way to code your program and make it run more efficent.
4. Name one that it explain's code as simple, or easy as the user's of the fourm's explain it and i'll kiss your.
5. What if the world ends tomorrow, what's your point?
6. This might be true as i don't know you but, this actually would only be a matter of opinion so again who care's, if it's what you like to do and it keep's you out of other trouble then is that a bad thing?
7. Heh if you want that you'll just go check your email account.

heh, sound like your parent's have a bit to much time on there hand's for making up rule's but hey your there child and im sure they only want's what is best for you and if you live under there roof you really don't have much choice. This is just my opinion on why i think these reason would be absurd.

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Posted: 25th Apr 2005 13:26
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Quote: "heh, sound like your parent's have a bit to much time on there hand's"


Nah, sounds like good parenting to me. Now if he were to counter their claims with poor answers, then they'd know he was a bit too young yet for such privelages. But it sounds to me he has very good answers to their questions.


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Don't tell the feds, but I am a murderer!


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Too late, the federales will be at your door when the clock strikes Midnight.

Gwhahaa!



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Joke's on you! This isn't my real house, I killed the occupants and took it over, now they're going to turn up to the wrong place! Bwahahaha!


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This thread scares me

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Quote: "3. u are just using shortcuts in programming and u wont learn it right and will have to relearn it"


All the other stuff makes sense for a concerned parent, but this is just retarded. Is your dad even a programmer? Because that sounds like a load of cock.

Has he ever heard of cplusplus.com? They have forums, and it was recommended to me by a book which I got from a C++ course at the community college.

If your dad wants you to learn out of books, get the DarkBasic book just to piss him off. Then you can say, "Oh look dad, this book says I should go to this web site and ask these people about programming (that site being thegamecreators.com)." Shove that up his pants.

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And the bloke who serves you dinner at school could be a murderer, and so could the woman at the store etc etc. Might as well wrap you up in cotton wool. At least on the net there is no way of actually killing you directly. I mean unless they invent a picture that stresses you out until you die. Oh no. Don't tell them that.

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Or perhaps there was something to that Monty Python sketch about the funniest joke in the world? Anyone who is unfortunate to hear the entire joke dies, and anyone who reads just a few words from it gets horribly sick.


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I think you should convince your parents to check this forum themselves, like show them how to browse then let them investigate - I'm pretty sure that once they realise that this forum is all about coding they'll understand why you even want to visit here. Your parents probably don't realise that to get help with DBPro you can't just ask a friend, you gotta have access to people who can help otherwise you'll spend more time getting annoyed and less time making cool stuff. I'd say that this forum has a fair amount of honesty from it's users, there's really little point in pretending to be anyone else, because nobody cares - they just wanna see your screenshot or do their 'good deed' by helping out a newbie.

When I was a kid, that git Dominic Diamond made a documentary for BBC1 about videogame addiction, unfortunately every parent under the sun watched this and instantly Britain was populated by teenage videogame addicts. I suffered, and at that time all I wanted to do was make games with SEUCK, but my computer time being limited was getting off lightly, some of my friends had their spectrums burned . It was the same then as it is now, parents are willing to go to extremes to protect their kids, being a parent myself I completely understand. If it counts for anything, I have no concearns about my son visiting this forum, actually I'm more concearned about the ways he'd lower the tone around here .


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Quote: "And the bloke who serves you dinner at school could be a murderer, and so could the woman at the store etc etc. Might as well wrap you up in cotton wool. At least on the net there is no way of actually killing you directly. I mean unless they invent a picture that stresses you out until you die. Oh no. Don't tell them that. "


well there is that movie that kills you in seven days...


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The internet is a terrible place, and I see more parents trusting it too much than overprotective parents. When I hear some stories from people I know, about who they meet on the net, I know that I wouldn't let my children do everything on the net.
Sorry to have that argument, but according to what I know, it's better to be a boy than a girl.

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When I have kids I'm going to chain them to the floor in the basement. If I don't have a basement I will chain them to the ceiling in the attic.


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What if you dont have an attic?

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I will give them to Shadows' parents. But hopefully it won't have to come to that.


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Maybe you can prove to them you know how to spell and they'll let you back on!

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Now they'res a novle idea


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as for the mods' and users' identity and them being murderers, there were conventions (which i personally could not attend ) where many of the users and mods met others from the community, i don't recall anyone being murdered at a convention (unless everyone's keeping hush hush about it )

just give him the url for the forum and tell him to have a good browse around, thank god the team requests board doesn't exits anymore though lol. he might never let you on, ever!

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dude that sucks. ur parents grow up raised by wolves? lol. i agree online dating stupid. if i sign up for like a froum, i never give any uneeded info

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hmm at my mums again this everytoher week
so
now im grounded completely from my pc causei was missing 2 homeworks from school
i didnt lie about it or anything yet grounded for a month

hmmm
anyway so now im trying to cram all this documentation and esign into 2 1/2 days

also ive thought of a really fun idea and good for "theory" testing yet might not be so useful to other people

the idea is like a virtual pc except the asm is much easier to use and the archutecture is different as it will use a port based system for everything from video cards to hdd to keyboard! but anyway
still in "decision of if to make it" process
plus i got to study up quite a bit on the way asm works and translating text into binary

but anyway
not made in dbp so i probably will keep this one more private and if people want it then they can have it and under gpl

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I have to say something about the murderer thing...There are much easier ways to track people down than through a game creating forum where advice is given and help is asked. Chat rooms are the most common thing for things like these. If i were a murderer i wouldnt use a forum, which for a while your posts had to be approved, where not a lot of personal info besides email adress and country are given, and it would be suspicious if you didnt ever ask for help or give help to anyone and were always trying to gather personal info. In order to not act suspicious youd have to start learning how to program. All you would have to do to get in a chat room is log on the internet. Besides, just dont give out personal info. All people would know about me right now if they had tracked every single post id ever posted would be my grade, the metroplex i live in, and my email address. Not my city, not my street, not my real name, not my phone #, not my zip code, not what school i go to, not even what school district im in. Thats pretty hard to track someone down with . Also, people wouldnt just give out virus code, and like you said, others would notice.

My responses to your parents responses

3)DBP isnt a shortcut, its a good learning tool and will probably be much, much easier to transition into C++.
4)lol, thats my favorite one. Why, WHY? would anyone just lie to you about programming a language? What would be the purpose? Besides more than one person read a post usually and they could tell you whats right or wrong.
7)Code of Conduct, theyd be banned, you ignore them, delete whatever they gave you, and dont talk to them again.

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My Parents do not know I browse these forums.

All I will do (Soon) is just get my mum to go through them and read content see how friendly the people are.

I don’t think she will care two much

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EddieB - I am going to slit your throat! j/k

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Grief, as long as people aren't stupid then I can't see a problem. I mean the amount of press that is given to emails that screw up your PC etc. Well don't click on them then. It's not very hard (even if you don't use junk mail filters) to tell the difference between an email you know is from a friend and basically someone selling certain bodily enhancements I mean c'mon... Same goes for here. I'm not going to be as stupid as to say my name, address etc. It's a bit like telling a bloke down the pub your house alarm's security code.

Personally if I thought my kid was a bit thick (which they bloody well wouldn't be, I'm telling you....) then I might think twice before letting them unrestricted onto the net. Get them educated a bit first not to be a complete donut... "Yes Mr Bank Manager, here is dad's credit card details..." would be a no-no example. But if they knew what they should do, and the risks involved in giving out certain information, then I can't see a problem.

Plus I would secretly monitor everything they do

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I can understand your Dad's attitude, he is only trying to do his best to look after you.

However, it seems to me that he is not fully aware of what the dangers are and how to avoid them. There are several good sources of information and guidance for parents who are concerned about their children's activities, and advice for children on how to stay safe.

For example, this is one produced by the UK Home Office:

http://www.thinkuknow.co.uk

And a US organisation ("Keep Internet Kids Safe"):

http://www.kiks.org/

Be cautious about safety websites from the United States, since many of them are set up by companies who produce monitoring software, and I would not regard them as reliable.

Trust is the key here, by making your parents better informed hopefully they will trust you. In return you should tell them what sites you are visiting, and give them a chance to look at your email and forum activity if they wish.

Neofish's suggestion to 'be sarcastic' is the worst thing you can possibly do. It will not achieve any results, and will needlessly create a conflict between you and them.


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i have offered and the only time i ever clear cookies or cache is if ffx starts messin up(which i havnt experienced since the 1.02 upgrade)
and they know any password i have

but yea im looking at that one thing and i say i might print it off and show it to them or something like that once im not grounded anyway(from computer/internet)

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Quote: "Neofish's suggestion to 'be sarcastic' is the worst thing you can possibly do. It will not achieve any results, and will needlessly create a conflict between you and them."

True..anyone sensible wouldn't do that

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duh

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Sounds like good parenting to me

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Probably the easiest way to get back at your dad is to run a search (delete the search history, though) for any word that could possibly be associated with pornography, and when you find his porn stash DELETE IT. And trust me, all dad's have porn stashes.

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lol sounds funny
but my dad dont
he dont use my pc or well any pc he barely knows how to turn on 1

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then hes got a nudie mag stack in the garage
mm 1970's playobys lol, just kidding by the way mum and dad

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