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Murder of ravens
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Posted: 3rd May 2005 04:02 Edited at: 3rd May 2005 04:03
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hey, i was wondering if it was possible to partion a apple macs hard disc (currently running osx) and put a copy of win xp or win 2k on? if not are there any parts i could replace to make it work? this is for my cousin, ive never seen an apple so if the reason u can't is obvious i would apreciate it if no one posted n00bS0rZ :p

Edited 7pm 2/6/05 typo :p

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Um nope you cant just do that, But you could get Virtual PC for Mac, It lets you run Windows XP, It costs a lot though I think...




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Posted: 3rd May 2005 06:38
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It says above the post when it was edited.
Yes, there is a way.. but you wouldn't be able to run Standard Windows 2000/XP on a Macintosh.

It is possible to build Windows XP Embedded to run on it, but only if you have a G4. Currently the G5 isn't supported unless you pay the $900 for a License. It'll work just like XP, but you won't be able to upgrade drivers or use updates... So just be warned.

Partitioning itself is pretty much childs play. This said you can run Windows XP Embedded from CD, which on the whole is a better option.

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how comes u cant do it? surely it has the same parts as a pc hard disc processor graphics card ram etc. ive never seen one but im sure it has usb and ps2 ports just like a pc too, the only thing ive maneged to find out is the mouse only has one button, but im not sure if thats true cause it would be a nightmare to use :p

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sorry :p u posted just as i was posting so didnt get to read urs first, but surely its just the same as a pc right? i thought the only thing that made it an apple was osx maybe im mistaken

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Nope. Apple Macs use a Power PC Processor, and different RAM...Just trust me there totally different...




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No, your internal hardware is different. While most of it doesn't matter, the one part that does is the CPU/Processor.

In a G4 you're using a PPC 4xx, and in a G5 your using a PPC 9xx
Both of these processors work very differently to the x86-32/64-based Processor that Windows XP Retail builds use.

So you've got to effectively custom build Windows for your Processor, on the subject fo running standard Executables as they don't adapt (unlike Managed .NET Executables). Embedded runs them in Emulation mode.

Now this does mean you can't expect the same performance, however iirc there is a recompiled included so you can recompile Executables from x86 to PPC. This will seriously speed them up but still they'll not run as quickly as native MacOSX software.

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Build you own mac-like computer that will work with windows...if you try hard enough: im sure you can do it

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Posted: 3rd May 2005 07:57 Edited at: 3rd May 2005 07:58
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in the old days with os9 and below you could make a partition and then put a very stripped down mac os system on that partition, finally installing VirtualPC and fiddling with your finder program to make it load VPC 200% faster and 110% more efficient in tasks.

Darwine is a port of wine on OSX and if your patient you can use directx programs native in osx. dont expect it to be fast or reliable to start with.

you can put many flavours of linux on your mac linuxppc machten etc.. this might be an avenue to use wine.

It is possible to partition the hard drive with a ntfs and or fat32 and or the new windows partition system with mac partitions and linux partitions but yeah the OS install wont recognise the hardware.

there are dos based partition emulators for the mac if the program you require is only dos based.

citrix meta frame allowed older macs to emulate pc software in a window virtually across the network.

you could try VMware perhaps but im not so sure.

Cherry OS was another alternative as well but yeah its a lil pricey.

I just did another search and found this ditty tho, seems intersting.

http://www.iemulator.com/

looks like it is possible within a decent budget

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Quote: "you could try VMware perhaps but im not so sure."


I don't think there is a native OSX version yet At least not when I looked a few weeks ago. Ended up having to use MS Virtual PC, which works fine in my Mac but I know doesn't work in Macs with 4GB+ memory (Microsofts answer: remove the ram!!!)

I use Chicken of the VNC on my Mac to operate my PC (which is in another room), I use standard Windows shared folders on my PC and have them mapped when OS X boots so I can grab files easily and use Virtual PC to actually run Windows stuff on my Mac (although not very often coz I have most of my PC apps on my Mac too). My Mac also hooks directly into my wifi network and printer. I can beam stuff directly to it from my Nokia which I love The only thing I cannot connect is my cheapoid HP scanner, which is a pain in the arse. Connecting Macs to PCs and PC hardware has probably never been easier tbh! (this is all irrelevant regarding the original question I know.. heh)

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ty for all ur help, this looks like its gonna be a lot more complicated than i had hoped :p, i will concider the options but i was really hoping i could just whack a partion on, i supose i could just change the mother board and ram but im not sure if they want to keep osx ill phone em after work cya later and thanks again

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Posted: 3rd May 2005 21:02
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Quote: "i supose i could just change the mother board and ram"


Err if you don't appreciate the hardware differences between a Mac and a PC then please, for the love of all things sane, don't start dicking around with their Mac in this way. You'll achieve one thing for them, but I promise it won't be what they wanted.

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Murder, don't touch it with a barge pole mate - Mac's are too expensive to even consider trying this - don't even mess with the OS.

If your friends wanted a PC, they should have bought one, instead of paying 3 times as much for a Mac then realising their mistake and asking you to fix it for them. There's probably not a lot that the Mac won't do for them once they get used to it, for non-games playing people, macs are more better choices as they're friendlier and stable - if they absolutely positively must have a PC then I'd personally hand deliver a Dell celeron-hell with 15''TFT display and take their mac away, equal exchange sorta thing . They might actually be daft enough to go for that!.


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Posted: 3rd May 2005 23:45
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Quote: "[quote]i supose i could just change the mother board and ram "

Err if you don't appreciate the hardware differences between a Mac and a PC then please, for the love of all things sane, don't start dicking around with their Mac in this way. You'll achieve one thing for them, but I promise it won't be what they wanted.[/quote]

Oooh... on the other hand, you could always show him how to do this in a Video Tutorial.

That you post in the forum.

While there is a sensible answer to the original question, it is still funny to think about...

"I just bought a Macintosh... :: blinks :: So when do I install Windows?" Hehehe

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