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Posted: 6th May 2005 13:59 Edited at: 6th May 2005 14:54
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Labour has won it's landmark 3rd term.
It means Blair has made history in his final 4years as Prime Minister, but the results this time were not the landslide victory he'd hoped for.

The results finished tallying at 3:40am, declaring Labour as the winner.

I'll post more once I have been able to check the results, because from where it stands Labour not only got it's third term but by the biggest majority they've ever seen (almost 25%).. I have a feeling the site polls were from earlier in the day.

Especially as Lib Dem had dropped almost half it's seats to 8%!!
Given the predictions given based on the paper polls, and what I've been reading on MSN/BBCNews24 I'm guessing it isn't right.

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Found it... Labour have lost 40 seats, still doesn't even make it a close sodding race unless Conservative win basically all of the remaining 100 to be tallied, even then it's something like a 30% victory.

What I'm a little confused about is how Labour can loose so many seats yet still have such a truely amazingly gigantic lead?
Just goes to show that the retards who didn't vote but are willing to take part in a newpaper (gaurdian/telegraph/etc) vote things would turn out very differently.

Labour really seem to win much more on lower turn outs, they should really base thier campaign around it... 'don't vote, cause one less means one more term of us!'

ho hum, just hope Lib Dem get to 20% then i'll be happy.

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i'm wondering what the point to the online polls are in terms of the overall.

totally confused over what was going on until I poked around some more... i'm not entirely sure on what the point in the seats are to be honest, given they have nothing to do with the overall votes which elect them in.

I was figuring the more seats, the move votes (d'oh) .. but anyways.
From what I can tell this is going to be damn close... vote-wise atleast.

Lib Dem have superceeded thier predicted results, and it's looking closer and closer like a close 3-way battle. The seats for office really don't show even close to the same story as the voting.

Labour has won alot of seats, but only in the smaller communities, the majority of England is Blue.. Scotland and Ireland is Yellow.

So it's all about the key seats. Some large voter areas haven't been tallied yet; from where I'm sitting I'd predict all three of the main parties to be heading for low-30 high-20... it's gotta have been down to the wire this victory.

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I'm not sure why people would bother keeping a steady eye the news on this one-- it'd take a freaking miracle for anyone but Labour to win. Kind of like Raegan's second election over here

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Posted: 6th May 2005 16:13 Edited at: 6th May 2005 16:15
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For God's sake what on earth is going on - how can anybody vote for Labour?

So it's back to 4 more years of Blair sucking up to Bush, no apologies, university top-up fees, Hutton-inquiry style scandals and gos knows what else.

Tell you what though, look at the map. Mainly blue:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/constituencies/default.stm

Labour won by around 3.5% last time I looked.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 16:16
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"Once, Twice, Three Times a Labour"


Damn Labour.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 16:19 Edited at: 6th May 2005 16:22
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Edit: The reason why the map is mostly blue is because the Tories generally win in the larger consituencys where there is a sparse (and rich) population. Rich/buisness people are who the Tories appeal to.

And how can you moan about a 3rd Labour term?! Look at the Tories! 18 years of them! 15% Intrest Rates, massive unemployment a huge dip on the economy AND another war that could have been avoided - The Falklands!

Politions are much of a muchness.

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The UK is broken up into consituency (I can't spell) in each one of these people vote for who they want to be their local represenative in the House of Commons (there's always a persom from Labour, Lib Dem and Tories and usually some more as well).

Every person who wins in a consituency gets a 'seat' in the Commons which basically means they are entitled to be there as a part of the government. The party which has more 324 seats, or more, wins with a majority. This is important as with a mojority the winning party can pass its own policiy.

The existing government can continue if they only win 323 seats, but they will not have an overall majority so will find it difficult to actually do anything. In these cases another election is usually called.

The system is slightly unfair as people in a consituency with a sparse population get to control 1 seat as do people in a consituency which has a dense population. So in some cases a small group of people have more power than larger groups. Having said that our system is the only type that can work. Proportional representation never works as you hardly ever get a majority government so nothing is achieved.

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Quote: "Tell you what though, look at the map. Mainly blue:"


Yup... Conservative have taken England in the larger areas, Lib Dem have taken that larger areas of Scotland and Wales.

If history repeats in N.Irleand Sinn Fienn will be mostly there to up the Others to just over 9%.

Quote: "Labour won by around 3.5% last time I looked."


From the tallies though, this is questionable. Cause I keep hearing they've won but not all of the votes have tallied.

I can understand the whole Constituancies thing now though. The Seats = Policy Power, where'as Votes = Governing Body.. So we've definately got Labour making the decisions, on what to pass and what not to, however I can't see how they can call Blair the outright winner even by a small margin given that most of thier seats are in the minor constituancies.

The Key areas are controlled by Conservative, and Lib Dem.
Definately looks very very close in terms of who'll be in office.

3.5% though is still alot closer than the 15% of last time.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 16:29 Edited at: 6th May 2005 16:35
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Quote: "Edit: The reason why the map is mostly blue is because the Tories generally win in the larger consituencys where there is a sparse (and rich) population. Rich/buisness people are who the Tories appeal to."


Yeah, I know, I'm just surprised at it I'd have expected Labour to at least had a sizable visual impact on the map.

What I'm annoyed about is my constituency went Labour. Our last lab MP for the past few years has done NOTHING. That's not a figure of speech, she's actually done NOTHING. So House of Commons speeches and the one prizegiving she did that I watched was hilarious - she couldn't string a sentence together.

Then again her majority was only 913 votes over the con candidate, which is something to build on.

Quote: " can understand the whole Constituancies thing now though. The Seats = Policy Power, where'as Votes = Governing Body.. "


I think it's who has the most seats goes into government, and I assume theytake their policies with them. The exact number of votes you get isn't ever factored I think.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 17:07
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At least the Labour majority is vastly down

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Posted: 6th May 2005 17:18
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Ahhh booger just woke up to this
Quote: "how can anybody vote for Labour?"

The people who read "THE SUN" for one ...well those who see it as more than a comic...grrr.
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Oh yeah... it's basically a Tory victory.

Two landslides and one very convincing defeat - not exactly a good decade for the boys in blue.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 19:32
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Fantastic. We now have a government that only 36% of voters elected. So, 2/3 of the people that give a damn don't want them in power!

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Posted: 6th May 2005 19:51
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heh grand isn't it.. atleast with the american's two party system you will always have less than half of the nation narked thier candidate didn't get in.

I have question, is the SNP the same has the BNP? They they took quite a chunk of scotland. Alright so it was only like 2 seats in total, but still the voting area was quite large.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 19:54 Edited at: 6th May 2005 20:01
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No, the Scottish National Party aren't the same as the British National Party...

I do think its time to introduce some sort of proportional representation system.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 21:45 Edited at: 6th May 2005 21:47
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I saw a lot of whining over on news.bbc.co.uk about how "if the map is blue, then why did labour Win?", presumably by tory voters. I noticed most of them were from rural areas so I put 2 and 2 together

If you look at the map, almost all of the major metropolitan areas (London, Newcastle, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds) are Labour held seats. Look at the rural areas, and you find your typical Tory strongholds. So, that explains the map phenomenon (more voters in cities who are a little more forward thinking ) , but I don't get how Labour won with 36% of the vote? Are you telling me the remaining 64% was split across lib dems, tories, green etc ? Could someone impartial explain it to me? Any by impartial, I mean I don't want the political equivalent if "Labour has teh HACKS!!!1!! - They R che4ting!".

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Posted: 6th May 2005 21:52 Edited at: 6th May 2005 21:53
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I am very satisfied with the result. It is a bit better than what I had been expecting, namely a Labour majority of between 80 and 100. To my mind Blair will now fall within the next 6 months.

More importantly, I hope that Howard will stay on as leader of the Conservatives for another year or two to continue the rebuilding of the party. Thereafter if we get a younger charismatic leader who is not tainted by the stupid errors of the Major years, continue with the centralist policies we have adopted, we will have good prospects of success in 2009. In saying that I am conscious that the country's economy is now turning sour and we are likely to have a recession in the next government, which will be helpful, and that Brown does not appeal to "middle England" anything like as well as Blair. Both will significantly boost Conservative fortunes.

The Conservatives' key target must be to lift themself off the 33% average poll that they achieved yesterday and 2001. We need to be aiming at least 40% to win.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 21:54
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It's the overall voting percentage.
36% .. 34% .. 24%
Lab .. Con .. Lib

leaves a nice 6% for everyone else.
Libral have done what they set out to do really, proven that this system has 3 major parties not 2 or 1 like everyone believes.

No doubt the whole Labour 'vote for Lib is a vote for Con' campaign didn't help this fact, but still; Lib have won over some areas very traditionally Labour. This is a huge blow, especially when they got Cardiff; one of the highest populated areas in the country.

The overall seat count Labour won by a true landslide though. Just above 50% (to Con's 25%), but 20 seats off a by-election.. this is important given they won last election by 160 seats!

Heh tis a very complex system, but no doubt simple to Beauracrats.

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Posted: 6th May 2005 22:18 Edited at: 6th May 2005 22:20
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Trouble is, the Conservatives haven't really got anyone who is young and dynamic - someone who is also able to stop the back-bench moaning but also able to see their point of view.

At the moment, its mostly the older person whos in the Conservative party, and that could do with changing.

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Quote: "but I don't get how Labour won with 36% of the vote?"


The government get in on number of seats won. But labour may win one seat by 1 vote, and lose another by 10,000 votes. Thus the percentage of voters and percentage of seats don't match.


Quote: "More importantly, I hope that Howard will stay on as leader of the Conservatives for another year or two..."

He'd already announced his resignation when you wrote that!

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I think it is good that labour won. When i started high school there was 1 computer room and when i left then was 6 and a computer projector in practically every room. loads of new teactures had been training, more to the end of my school time. And none of that would of happened under a conservitive party. as i dont go to hospitals all the time i cant comment on how there doing but waiting times are definently down. Labour has taken are economy out of a recession so in total they are the best for the contry. the reason they didnt do well was the war. the problem with conservitives is the want to privitise everything and look what that did to the trains and bt.

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Quote: "Labour has taken are economy out of a recession so in total they are the best for the contry"

As Philip has already mentioned Labour inherited the good economy from the Conservatives, who incidentially, should be congratulated for getting rid of the excess power of the trade unions.

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Labour is the reason gas is so expensive here.

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Quote: "I think it is good that labour won. When i started high school there was 1 computer room and when i left then was 6 and a computer projector in practically every room"


I very much doubt that Labour are the reason you got more projectors.

I think that the fact that before Blair came to power in 1997 projectors were prohibitively expensive whereas in recent years there's been a massive price drop is the reason why you've ended up getting them. Same with computers.

Saw this interesting quote on BBC:

Quote: "Labour's majority is predicted to drop from 167 to 66, with the party gaining the lowest share of any government. "


Lets hope Blair gets into some real farcical situations

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Trade unions are a good thing. they stop the evil bosses from unfair action. and about the economy who would you trust with it. G brown the international finance commities chair man or the tories who had to change there manifesto several times. and lets not forget when the consirvitives where last in power, the rich got richer the poor got poorer there was record unemployment and people couldnt affored to pay for there morgages because of the polltax so became home less.

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the reason gas price is so high is because it destroys the environment. and would be the same no matter who is in power.

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Altho they have become cheeper labour has put more investment in schools and also want children to learn how to use computers at a younger age.

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Quote: "the reason gas price is so high is because it destroys the environment. and would be the same no matter who is in power."

Oil prices have risen something like 40% because of the war.


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I think the Conservatives are still a mere shadow of what they once were. New Labour are just too formidible to topple at the moment.

The country definately still wants a Labour government, that is for sure.

The fact that Gordon Brown is very trusted wont help the Conservatives either, as they seem to suggest that trust is New Labour's Achilles heel.

With Brown in power I don't really see a weakness in Labour. As long as we don't have another Iraq (which we won't - British MPs learn from mistakes a lot better than Americans) then the next election should still go Labour.

After that, it's anyone's guess.

I read a article about this election which called it "the awkward birth of liberal Britain". I think that's pretty much right. All the parties will swing a little left for the future.

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Quote: "Trade unions are a good thing. they stop the evil bosses from unfair action. and about the economy who would you trust with it"

Trade unions are only useful if there is a valid complaint against an employer - before the Conservatives came to power, unions would call a strike for any small trifle.

Howard has admitted to past mistakes, and has said the Conservatives have learnt from them.

Quote: "consirvitives where last in power, the rich got richer the poor got poorer"

And they still do...

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Quote: "the reason gas price is so high is because it destroys the environment. and would be the same no matter who is in power"


Major flaw in that theory. If that was the case, the 80% tax on petrol would go up and down to stabilise the price. But it doesn't. The higher petrol goes, the more tax the government rake in. The fact is, it's a necesary evil, and an easy target for tax.

Quote: "Trade unions are a good thing"

Sure. I'm sure we all agree when your holiday is delayed and cut short by French workers every year.
Unions shot themselves in the foot. They enforced crazy pay-rises on the back of "additional skills", like clocking in at a PC. That's right, typing a 4 digit number on a keyboard is an additional skill that warrants a payrise, according to union law.

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Quote: "the reason gas price is so high is because it destroys the environment. and would be the same no matter who is in power."
That is a joke right? Arf. I had to laugh when they said that our amazingly high taxes on petrol was good because when the oil prices went up it didn't effect us too much (like the US). Hmmm. Shame we've been paying many times more than the US for many many years then, and even the worst price in the US recently is *much* lower than in the UK. I mean when I worked in Dubai I filled my car up with the change in my pocket (under a fiver for a whole tank)!

I once heard that the actual average price to get the petrol to the pumps in the UK is actually lower than the average price in the US. Just we pay so much in tax. Lovely.

Oh, and it's quite interesting when you look around IT. Most IT workers, in my experience, tend to be conservative. With a smattering of Lib dems and greens. Very rare to find a labour IT person (since it used to be fashionable a while back). We know to vote with our wallet.

Heh, interestingly I switched over to the comedy channel and they had a South Park episode running about Stan (well one of them anyway) getting kicked out of South Park for not voting. Class stuff. Everyone spat on him and banished him for not understanding the importance of voting. Which was between a big doush (sp?) bag a t*rd sandwich (literally). He learnt that every election is between a big doush and a t*rd sandwich Hehehehehe....

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